AW: [governance] Cities and Internet Governance

Dirk Krischenowski | dotBERLIN krischenowski at dotberlin.de
Tue Feb 24 15:51:45 EST 2009 

Izumi,

you are right. For instance the case Washington Mutual (god may bless the
company which was going bankrupt late 2008) and the city of Washington. But
should you prohibit using geo names for this reason?

We have the geo name panel and this is a progress for any government and the
Internet community, I guess. Since money is involved and needs to be
involved (the applicant has to present a viable business plan) in most new
TLDs (otherwise no one would care about them) a global audience is having a
look on every single TLD application. If there is a minimal doubt that a
string would infringe someone's rights, there will be a posting and alarm on
this. In today's world nearly nothing is hidden, even the most rural place
name on earth. I would trust this "institution" more than any other one in
the world.

Best regards,

Dirk


2008 bancruptcy

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] Im Auftrag von Izumi
AIZU
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Februar 2009 17:37
An: krischenowski at dotberlin.de
Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"; Karla Valente
Betreff: Re: [governance] Cities and Internet Governance

Dirk,

I appreciate your comment below. The meeting at the ministry was held
on Feb 3, well before the second Draft guidebook was released.

I have not yet read that one, thus again thank you for reminding that,
but I still think some of the concerns may remain.

So many geo names are at the same time used for more generic
products or services, thus how far we define geo names are not
always that clear.

There are competing names, such as USA and OBAMA
are two legitimate citie names in Japan.

Not all geo names are so distinct, such as Berlin or Kyoto.

What if the Geo Name Panel does not find an application
as geo name, even after using Google, you need a subjective
judgement, and you cannot go to 1200th entry of Google
which only refers it as geo name ... etc, etc.

I don't mean we can solve all of these problems, or we should,
but just wanted to share some of the concerns our city reps
in Japan expressed, and we need to address these concerns
in one way or other.

best,

izumi

2009/2/24 Dirk Krischenowski | dotBERLIN <krischenowski at dotberlin.de>:
> Izumi,
>
> I do understand your concerns but I don't agree on them. The second Draft
> Applicant Guidebook clearly states that every (!)TLD application will be
> reviewed by a Geographic Names Panel (GNP), so in my view it is nearly
> impossible to smuggle any geo name through the process. I also think the
GNP
> will use Google to find out if the names applied for is identical to city,
> county or other geo name of importance. And there is additionally an
> objection process which allows third parties to file an objection or
inform
> ICANNs "Independent Objector" that something is wrong with the name
applied
> for. ... and finally do not have any doubt that people from the Japanese
or
> global Internet community will have a look on all TLD applications.
>
> In any (!) case of a geo name the respective goverments / authorities need
> to have at least no objections.
>
> Even in the case the very popular German Pop Band Tokyo Hotel would like
to
> acquire .tokyo and the .tokyo Initiative does not apply in the same round,
> there is not way around to get a geo name quick and easy!
>
> I hope my perspective gave you confidence that a geo name accidentally
slips
> through the system.
>
> By the way, if you need some information how we in Berlin manage to set-up
> the .berlin name space, we would appreciate to share our knowledge with
you.
> A couple of cities already invited us to consult them a bit.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dirk (.berlin)
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] Im Auftrag von Izumi
> AIZU
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Februar 2009 05:20
> An: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Betreff: Re: [governance] Cities and Internet Governance
>
> Yes, Geographic name TLDs are making some concern to the cities and other
> local governments (prefectures, villages etc) in Japan, and our
government,
> MIC, started a "study group" with some of these city gov officials as
> participants, with ccTLD and other Internet related folks and pundits
> under the info-com council, a sort of regulatory committee.
>
> "What if someone outside Japan applied for dot Kyoto, or any other
> potentially valuable name as gTLD?" "How should we react?"
> How can we monitor all of these? Do we need to organize some
> sort of "monitoring" under the central gov function, or shall we do it
> with private-sector led activities? Is it really a bad thing? Or does
> it promote our tourism and export?
>
> I agree, it is opening up a new venue for the "Internet governance".
>
> izumi
>
> 2009/2/23 Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml at communisphere.com>:
>> With the ICANN having deemed cities eligible to develop TLDs, and with
>> cities such as Barcelona, Berlin, New York, and Paris lining up for TLDs,
>> it’s time to consider the place and impact city-TLDs will have on
Internet
>> governance.
>>
>>
>>
>> My presumption in presenting the following scenario is that cities will
>> choose to put their TLDs to use for their long term development: to
> benefit
>> city organization and governance, communities, neighborhoods, small
>> businesses, residents, and their global “findability,” all toward the
>> creation of economically viable and livable cities; and not merely treat
>> their TLDs as monetization opportunities. Further, that cities will see
>> their TLDs as community / civic resources, as vital as air, water, roads,
>> and education systems are to their future. And we see the formation of
>> conservator or trustee systems to assure their wise management.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, let me review our experience developing a governance structure
>> for the .nyc TLD, albeit a work in progress, and then project where
cities
>> might fit within the broader governance of the Net.
>>
>>
>>
>> Creating a governance structure for a city TLD is new territory and we’re
>> still fashioning structures to facilitate the TLD’s efficacy. Since
> creating
>> Connecting.nyc Inc. as a not-for-profit in 2006 we’ve seen governance as
> the
>> critical factor in determining the TLD’s success: important both to the
>> inclusion of a diversity of viewpoints in planning and directing the
TLD’s
>> operation, and to receiving the approval and cooperation of the city of
> New
>> York whose support we deem essential.
>>
>>
>>
>> To date we’ve recruited a great core for our board of
> directors, established
>> a Resident Advisory Network, and are in discussions with city officials
>> about adding several ex-officio seats. To gain a feel for the city's
>> concerns about the TLD’s governance, read the transcript
>>
>
(http://www.openplans.org/projects/campaign-for.nyc/council-hearing-transcri
> pt)
>> of our October 17 hearing before the City Council, in particular our
>> discussion with Council Member DeBlasio about his desire to place a
“short
>> leash” on our operation.
>>
>>
>>
>> On our governance page
>> (http://www.openplans.org/projects/campaign-for.nyc/board-of-directors)
we
>> discuss our intention to create space on our board of directors for
public
>> participation, with our Resident Advisory Network a first step in that
>> direction. It’s a different structure than the ICANN’s current
stakeholder
>> model, destined to be local and more hands on.
>>
>>
>>
>> With city TLD governance structures of this sort in place, we see
> city-TLDs,
>> each with a governance model reflective of the city it serves, providing
a
>> mechanism for broader public participation within ICANN’s structure. It’s
> my
>> expectation that, with their growing share of the world’s population, now
>> 50% heading toward 70% in 2030, the Internet’s future governance form
will
>> reflect the participation of city-TLDs. And as we create participatory
and
>> effective governance structures for city-TLDs, they will garner standing
> for
>> a significant role in the Net’s governance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Where are we today? In June 2008 the developers of the Barcelona, Berlin,
>> New York, and Paris TLDs met in Paris to discuss cooperation between
>> city-TLDs and participation in Internet governance processes. Last week a
>> coalition of cities presented ICANN with a Notice of Intent to create a
>> constituency within the GNSO. This is an appropriate first step, and
> within
>> this newly developing sphere one begins to see an emergence of an engaged
>> user community that will strongly influence governance of the Internet.
>>
>>
>>
>> There’s lots more work to be done here, and we would appreciate
> and benefit
>> from the thoughts of those on this list.
>>
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>
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          Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo

           Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,
                                  Japan
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