[governance] Vote on proposed amendment to IGC charter:

Tue Aug 25 16:47:45 EDT 2009

Ian and ll,

  I wish I could trust Gingers judgment and sense of fairness,
but I cannot given her recent name calling of myself and others.
As such Ginger along with a few others have demonstrated by their
own actions and words that their behavior and especially ethical
judgment leaves far too much to be desired accordingly Ian.  

-----Original Message-----
>From: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>Sent: Aug 24, 2009 3:37 PM
>To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>Subject: Re: [governance] Vote on proposed amendment to IGC charter:
>
>The list of members compiled after the last election which is being referred
>to includes all previously affirmed members, irrespective of whether they
>voted or not in the last co-ordinator election, plus new members who voted.
>I have checked that this is so. So there are people on the list who are
>members but may not have voted last time. They should all receive a ballot
>paper IMHO (unless they have left the list or are deceased).
>
>As Coordinators Ginger and I will have to deal with any individual anomalies
>that arise here and interpret the Charter as best we can. (One possibility I
>can think of is someone who was on the list for more than two months prior
>to the last election, can confirm they are civil society, but did not vote
>so was not added to the list). Anyone in such a position should contact
>Ginger and myself immediately off list and we will make an appropriate
>judgement as regards validity.
>
>Ginger and I will also have to interpret whether people still on the list at
>January 29 2009 are still valid members for purposes of a vote. I am
>inclined to suggest that those who are deceased or who have left the list
>are not to be counted.
>
>Ginger and I will do the best we can to run this process smoothly, and
>hopefully without too much process discussion. We may have to make some
>judgements as regards validity of votes in accordance with the Charter, and
>we will do so and announce our conclusions to the list with our reasoning.
>Of course anything we do can be the subject of an appeal at the end of the
>process (which is a good protective mechanism!)
>
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>(at My understanding of a valid voter would be
>
>1. Anyone on the list compiled after last coordinator election (the list at
>http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E.)
>
>Plus
>
>2. Anyone on the previous members list from
>
>
>On 25/08/09 3:26 AM, "Avri Doria" <avri at psg.com> wrote:
>
>> hi,
>> 
>> My assumption is that everyone who was on the members list at the time
>> of that last election (members who either voted then or who were
>> already members) is a voting member for the amendment since the list
>> is cumulative. It does not say only those who voted, it says anyone on
>> that voters list whic include both pervious members and those who
>> joined by signing the on to the charter in the act of voting.
>> 
>> what i am not sure about is someone who has quit the list since then.
>> since a basic requirement for membership is being on the list.
>> 
>> a.
>> 
>> On 24 Aug 2009, at 12:40, David Souter wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Ginger:
>>> 
>>> Your answer raises a separate question.
>>> 
>>> Do you mean here that only people who actually voted in the last
>>> coordinator election will be entitled to vote on this amendment, or
>>> that those who were entitled to vote at that time will be entitled
>>> now?
>>> 
>>> There could be quite a substantial difference.
>>> 
>>> David Souter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Start Original Message -----
>>> Sent: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:56:00 -0430
>>> From: Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'governance at lists.cpsr.org'" <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Vote on proposed amendment to IGC charter:
>>> requirement
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Charity and all. I am replying to the list, because several
>>>> people
>>> have had this same question.
>>> 
>>> The requirement for voting for a proposed amendment to the charter is
>>> different from an election, for instance, of a co-coordinator. The
>>> Charter states that **³The membership requirements for amending the
>>> charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In
>>> amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election
>>> will be
>>> deemed a member for amending the charter."**  That list is at
>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E.
>>> 
>>> A "normal" election requires, as you note, that one be a member for at
>>> least two months. As I understand it, in order to take part in a
>>> vote on
>>> a charter amendment, you must have voted in the previous election, in
>>> this case, the last co-coordinator election in December, 2008.
>>> 
>>> Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>> 
>>> If anyone has other questions, or would like any clarification, please
>>> post them.
>>> 
>>> Thanks! Best, Ginger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Charity Gamboa wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Hi Ginger,
>>> 
>>>  I joined IGC January 2009.  Please correct me if I am wrong if I
>>>  assumed that when you are a member for at least 2 months with the IGC
>>>  you can vote. It says in the Charter that "Each person who is
>>>  subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election
>>>  will be given a voter account." The list of IGC members was last
>>>  updated January 29 but I do not see my name as member of that list.
>>>  Does this mean then that I cannot vote? Or basically I am not a
>>>  member of IGC because I am not on the list? Will definitely
>>>  appreciate any clarifications.
>>> 
>>>  Thanks! :)
>>> 
>>>  Regards,
>>>  Charity
>>> 
>>>  On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Dear IGC members,
>>> 
>>>    A proposal has been made for amendment to the IGC charter (please
>>>    see full details below and attached).
>>> 
>>>    IGC members should currently be discussing the proposed amendment
>>>    on the list in case there are any doubts or opinions they would
>>>    like to express.
>>> 
>>>    The Charter states that ³The membership requirements for
>>>    amending the charter are based on the most currently available
>>>    voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the
>>>    previous election will be deemed a member for amending the
>>>    charter."  That list is at
>>>    http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E.
>>> 
>>>    Since approval of any amendment requires a two-thirds approval,
>>>    please be sure to vote, whatever your decision may be. This is a
>>>    good way to keep the IGC on track by exercising your right and
>>>    obligation to vote.
>>> 
>>>    Each person sent a ballot paper will be asked first to affirm
>>>    whether they are a member of civil society. Only civil society
>>>    members are entitled to vote. You will be given a choice of
>>>    "yes", "no" or "abstain" to show your agreement or non-agreement
>>>    with the proposed amendment. If you prefer not to vote, please
>>>    use the "abstain" option  that allows us to keep you on the
>>>    updated membership list as a current member.
>>> 
>>>    The ballot will be a secret ballot. The ballot will be open for
>>>    two weeks (until September 15th). An announcement of the results
>>>    will be made as soon as possible thereafter. You should expect to
>>>    receive a ballot paper before Wednesday next week (September
>>>    2nd), possibly earlier. If you believe you are entitled to vote
>>>    and have not received a ballot paper by then please contact me
>>>    directly.
>>> 
>>>    Many thanks to Dr. Derrick Cogburn for once again accepting the
>>>    task of running this electronic ballot procedure for the IGC.
>>> 
>>>    Regards,
>>> 
>>>    Ginger Paque
>>>    for
>>>    Ginger Paque and Ian Peter
>>>    IGC Co-coordinators
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    To the IGC Caucus and IGC Caucus Coordinators:
>>> 
>>>    According to the IGC Charter, Amendments to the Charter are made
>>>    according to the following process:
>>> 
>>>    This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer
>>>    than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds
>>> (2/3)
>>>    of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending
>>>    the charter are based on the most currently available voters list.
>>>    In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous
>>> election
>>>    will be
>>>    deemed a member for amending the charter.
>>> 
>>>    Because of the events on the list over the last month or longer,
>>> the
>>>    undersigned have decided to propose Posting Rule amendments to the
>>>    charter (attached to this email) that will make it less
>>> problematic to
>>>    deal with disruptive behavior on the IG Caucus list in the
>>> future.  Part
>>>    of the problem we are trying to remedy is the fact that the sole
>>>    responsibility rests with the coordinators without them having
>>> any clear
>>>    guidelines or
>>>    assistance.
>>> 
>>>    In proposing these amendments we looked at RFC 3683 "A Practice for
>>>    Revoking Posting Rights to IETF Mailing Lists    "
>>>    http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3683.txt
>>>      RFC 3934 and  "    Updates to RFC 2418 Regarding the Management
>>> of IETF
>>>    Mailing Lists"     http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3934.txt    , as
>>> well as the
>>>    rules currently in effect for ICANN's GA List for guidance.
>>> 
>>>    The proposed amendment contains the following elements:
>>> 
>>>    - statement of the purpose of the IGC list
>>>    - set of guidelines for decorum on the IGC list and any other IGC
>>>    lists that may be created
>>>    - description of inappropriate postings for IGC list(s)
>>> 
>>>    We are also proposing that the coordinators can create, if they
>>> desire
>>>    to do so, an advisory body to help them in determining when the
>>>    posting rules have been infringed.  The decision and
>>> responsibility of
>>>    when to take action is, however, still left with the coordinators.
>>> 
>>>    If this charter amendment is accepted by a 2/3 vote of the current
>>>    members, action for suspension of removal can be initiated in the
>>>    following manner:
>>> 
>>>    a. the coordinators decide on their own that action needs to be
>>> taken
>>>    b. the advisory group recommends it to coordinators and they agree
>>>    that action needs to be taken
>>>    c. a group of 20 IGC members publicly petitions the coordinators to
>>>    consider action and the coordinators agree actions should be taken
>>> 
>>>    The appeals mechanism remains the same as it is in the current
>>> charter:
>>> 
>>>> ? Any decision for suspension can be appealed.
>>>> Any decision to remove someone from the list will
>>>> call for an automatic appeal by the appeals team.
>>> 
>>>    Signed by the following members of the IGC as listed on
>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/
>>> 
>>>    Carlos A.Afonso
>>>    Vittorio Bertola
>>>    Wilie Curie
>>>    Avri Doria (co-author)
>>>    Wiliam Drake
>>>    Bret Fausett
>>>    Robin Gross
>>>    Michael Gurstein
>>>    Jeanette Hofmann (co-author)
>>>    Wolfgang Kleinwächter
>>>    Jeremy Malcolm
>>>    Lee W. McKnight
>>>    Jacqueline A. Morris
>>>    Adam Peake
>>>    Parminder Singh
>>>    David Souter
>>>    Christopher Wilkinson
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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