[governance] Vote on proposed amendment to IGC charter:
Ian Peter
ian.peter at ianpeter.com
Mon Aug 24 16:37:02 EDT 2009
The list of members compiled after the last election which is being referred
to includes all previously affirmed members, irrespective of whether they
voted or not in the last co-ordinator election, plus new members who voted.
I have checked that this is so. So there are people on the list who are
members but may not have voted last time. They should all receive a ballot
paper IMHO (unless they have left the list or are deceased).
As Coordinators Ginger and I will have to deal with any individual anomalies
that arise here and interpret the Charter as best we can. (One possibility I
can think of is someone who was on the list for more than two months prior
to the last election, can confirm they are civil society, but did not vote
so was not added to the list). Anyone in such a position should contact
Ginger and myself immediately off list and we will make an appropriate
judgement as regards validity.
Ginger and I will also have to interpret whether people still on the list at
January 29 2009 are still valid members for purposes of a vote. I am
inclined to suggest that those who are deceased or who have left the list
are not to be counted.
Ginger and I will do the best we can to run this process smoothly, and
hopefully without too much process discussion. We may have to make some
judgements as regards validity of votes in accordance with the Charter, and
we will do so and announce our conclusions to the list with our reasoning.
Of course anything we do can be the subject of an appeal at the end of the
process (which is a good protective mechanism!)
(at My understanding of a valid voter would be
1. Anyone on the list compiled after last coordinator election (the list at
http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E.)
Plus
2. Anyone on the previous members list from
On 25/08/09 3:26 AM, "Avri Doria" <avri at psg.com> wrote:
> hi,
>
> My assumption is that everyone who was on the members list at the time
> of that last election (members who either voted then or who were
> already members) is a voting member for the amendment since the list
> is cumulative. It does not say only those who voted, it says anyone on
> that voters list whic include both pervious members and those who
> joined by signing the on to the charter in the act of voting.
>
> what i am not sure about is someone who has quit the list since then.
> since a basic requirement for membership is being on the list.
>
> a.
>
> On 24 Aug 2009, at 12:40, David Souter wrote:
>
>> Dear Ginger:
>>
>> Your answer raises a separate question.
>>
>> Do you mean here that only people who actually voted in the last
>> coordinator election will be entitled to vote on this amendment, or
>> that those who were entitled to vote at that time will be entitled
>> now?
>>
>> There could be quite a substantial difference.
>>
>> David Souter
>>
>>
>> ----- Start Original Message -----
>> Sent: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:56:00 -0430
>> From: Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>
>> To: "'governance at lists.cpsr.org'" <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Vote on proposed amendment to IGC charter:
>> requirement
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Charity and all. I am replying to the list, because several
>>> people
>> have had this same question.
>>
>> The requirement for voting for a proposed amendment to the charter is
>> different from an election, for instance, of a co-coordinator. The
>> Charter states that **³The membership requirements for amending the
>> charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In
>> amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election
>> will be
>> deemed a member for amending the charter."** That list is at
>> http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E.
>>
>> A "normal" election requires, as you note, that one be a member for at
>> least two months. As I understand it, in order to take part in a
>> vote on
>> a charter amendment, you must have voted in the previous election, in
>> this case, the last co-coordinator election in December, 2008.
>>
>> Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>> If anyone has other questions, or would like any clarification, please
>> post them.
>>
>> Thanks! Best, Ginger
>>
>>
>> Charity Gamboa wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ginger,
>>
>> I joined IGC January 2009. Please correct me if I am wrong if I
>> assumed that when you are a member for at least 2 months with the IGC
>> you can vote. It says in the Charter that "Each person who is
>> subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election
>> will be given a voter account." The list of IGC members was last
>> updated January 29 but I do not see my name as member of that list.
>> Does this mean then that I cannot vote? Or basically I am not a
>> member of IGC because I am not on the list? Will definitely
>> appreciate any clarifications.
>>
>> Thanks! :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Charity
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear IGC members,
>>
>> A proposal has been made for amendment to the IGC charter (please
>> see full details below and attached).
>>
>> IGC members should currently be discussing the proposed amendment
>> on the list in case there are any doubts or opinions they would
>> like to express.
>>
>> The Charter states that ³The membership requirements for
>> amending the charter are based on the most currently available
>> voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the
>> previous election will be deemed a member for amending the
>> charter." That list is at
>> http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E.
>>
>> Since approval of any amendment requires a two-thirds approval,
>> please be sure to vote, whatever your decision may be. This is a
>> good way to keep the IGC on track by exercising your right and
>> obligation to vote.
>>
>> Each person sent a ballot paper will be asked first to affirm
>> whether they are a member of civil society. Only civil society
>> members are entitled to vote. You will be given a choice of
>> "yes", "no" or "abstain" to show your agreement or non-agreement
>> with the proposed amendment. If you prefer not to vote, please
>> use the "abstain" option that allows us to keep you on the
>> updated membership list as a current member.
>>
>> The ballot will be a secret ballot. The ballot will be open for
>> two weeks (until September 15th). An announcement of the results
>> will be made as soon as possible thereafter. You should expect to
>> receive a ballot paper before Wednesday next week (September
>> 2nd), possibly earlier. If you believe you are entitled to vote
>> and have not received a ballot paper by then please contact me
>> directly.
>>
>> Many thanks to Dr. Derrick Cogburn for once again accepting the
>> task of running this electronic ballot procedure for the IGC.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ginger Paque
>> for
>> Ginger Paque and Ian Peter
>> IGC Co-coordinators
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To the IGC Caucus and IGC Caucus Coordinators:
>>
>> According to the IGC Charter, Amendments to the Charter are made
>> according to the following process:
>>
>> This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer
>> than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds
>> (2/3)
>> of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending
>> the charter are based on the most currently available voters list.
>> In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous
>> election
>> will be
>> deemed a member for amending the charter.
>>
>> Because of the events on the list over the last month or longer,
>> the
>> undersigned have decided to propose Posting Rule amendments to the
>> charter (attached to this email) that will make it less
>> problematic to
>> deal with disruptive behavior on the IG Caucus list in the
>> future. Part
>> of the problem we are trying to remedy is the fact that the sole
>> responsibility rests with the coordinators without them having
>> any clear
>> guidelines or
>> assistance.
>>
>> In proposing these amendments we looked at RFC 3683 "A Practice for
>> Revoking Posting Rights to IETF Mailing Lists "
>> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3683.txt
>> RFC 3934 and " Updates to RFC 2418 Regarding the Management
>> of IETF
>> Mailing Lists" http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3934.txt , as
>> well as the
>> rules currently in effect for ICANN's GA List for guidance.
>>
>> The proposed amendment contains the following elements:
>>
>> - statement of the purpose of the IGC list
>> - set of guidelines for decorum on the IGC list and any other IGC
>> lists that may be created
>> - description of inappropriate postings for IGC list(s)
>>
>> We are also proposing that the coordinators can create, if they
>> desire
>> to do so, an advisory body to help them in determining when the
>> posting rules have been infringed. The decision and
>> responsibility of
>> when to take action is, however, still left with the coordinators.
>>
>> If this charter amendment is accepted by a 2/3 vote of the current
>> members, action for suspension of removal can be initiated in the
>> following manner:
>>
>> a. the coordinators decide on their own that action needs to be
>> taken
>> b. the advisory group recommends it to coordinators and they agree
>> that action needs to be taken
>> c. a group of 20 IGC members publicly petitions the coordinators to
>> consider action and the coordinators agree actions should be taken
>>
>> The appeals mechanism remains the same as it is in the current
>> charter:
>>
>>> ? Any decision for suspension can be appealed.
>>> Any decision to remove someone from the list will
>>> call for an automatic appeal by the appeals team.
>>
>> Signed by the following members of the IGC as listed on
>> http://www.igcaucus.org/
>>
>> Carlos A.Afonso
>> Vittorio Bertola
>> Wilie Curie
>> Avri Doria (co-author)
>> Wiliam Drake
>> Bret Fausett
>> Robin Gross
>> Michael Gurstein
>> Jeanette Hofmann (co-author)
>> Wolfgang Kleinwächter
>> Jeremy Malcolm
>> Lee W. McKnight
>> Jacqueline A. Morris
>> Adam Peake
>> Parminder Singh
>> David Souter
>> Christopher Wilkinson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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