[governance] Complex Networks, ccing and talking too much.

Eric Dierker cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net
Sat Aug 22 19:13:03 EDT 2009


Perhaps you missread my dribble. No one should be proud of their own failings.  No one with a college degree should engage in illiteracy. No one who is proud of their heritage should disgrace their family. Good manners and etiquette are not dirty words. There is no custom that is disgusting -- just different. 
These rules are not laws they are good tools to guide oneself.  Nothing is wrong with ignorance unless it is intentional. Bad manners are not bad unless done by one who knows better. A mark of intelligence is being sharp witted without offending.
 
These concepts are as clear as exclusionary practices and prejudice. There is much wrong with the person in a superior position not being open and transparent and honest. That is not merely bad manners, that is morally wrong and intellectually corrupt.

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:


From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] Complex Networks, ccing and talking too much.
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Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 9:10 PM



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Eric and all,
 
  FWIW, for far too many years, nearly 4 decades now the American people have been
far too apathetic and talking too little, and when talking saying only slightly more, and
getting better addressed when talking far more largely in part as a result of the Internet,
especially in the past 5 or 6 years.  Silence may be golden, but it is also empty and far
too often when self imposed or imposed by others for various reasons/excuses, leaves
progress to flounder and often die a slow death.  Such is not a governance healthy
thing.
 
  I say speak loudly, boldly and often if your a mind to, and let no man/woman dissuade
you of otherwise lest your voice never be heard, you participation be neglagable, and
your future, and perhaps the future of your fellow man be stagnant.  Let not the Miltons
of the world dictate your voice, your message, your ideas, your manner for they are the
pervayers of stagnation, hate, and negativity.  Such has no good place in the fellowship
of man and mankind in this century.



-----Original Message----- 
From: Eric Dierker 
Sent: Aug 22, 2009 12:58 AM 
To: Voice of Freedom 
Subject: [governance] Complex Networks, ccing and talking too much. 






Very interesting WiFi exploration today.  College town. Went to Starbucks. They charge for WiFi.  Went to public library, must have a card to use WiFi.  Went to another café/ It was auto – activated with special codes through the fully connected cash register including time limit per $$ spent.   Parking permitted was by card, through meters, connected to cardmember services and internet wired.  Phone from work forwarded all to my mobile – An IP gig out of 0ne Wilshire all automated from Bangor Maine to San Diego , a call to the Philipines and one to New Delhi . 

  

What a cool internet infrastructure and all seamless and on demand/command for almost nothing!! 

  

But what reminded me most of this list was the mighty freeway networks – Business commuters, commercial delivery, Overland longhaulers, Grandmas, tourists, school buses. 

  

And we all got to where we were going just fine by following some strict rules of the road: But mainly it all worked out because we follow simple courtesy toward our fellow networkers and are patient and accepting of the differences. Complex, simple, physical or ethereal, communicative or transportive,,, all networks work better when we make our intentions known, act openly and with courtesy and most important, do not try to direct everyone and respect differences.  Working on skills and remaining open to new methods and old ideas, make them really great. 



Good manners and good netiquette will be followed on this list, not by mandating and "governing" but by constant examination and practice, by open discussions and by people not leaving or quitting or being excluded on every offense. Always remembering our actions are often more rude than our speech. This would be respectful interface and a globalization I can finally support. 

 

Regards,
 
Jeffrey A. Williams
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