[governance] Apologies - We don't need no stinkin Apologies - wrk

Fri Aug 21 07:02:01 EDT 2009

Applause from it happens to be the U.N. Headquarters / NY (Internationally)
venue.
Yesterday some of these, well - related, matters were discussed in mix of
Economic & Social Council / Dept. of Public Info. settings*.

As an individual, I'd say cultural netiquette "standards" are always
interesting to ponder and discuss. One netizen's blather may be another
one's boon.

Eric et al, you will never post too amply for this one reader, but lately I
have been wondering if it could be to your taste to give us links to your
materials otherwise than all instream, though for heavens sakes not asking
for twitter treats or bloggosurfs because too scattered or scattering.
Unless you would want that. Btw, do you have a blog?

The above is my personal view.

Best wishes and *Respectfully Interfacing*,
LDMF.
Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D.
 *Respectful Interfaces*.
.
For. I.D. only :  Communications Coordination Committee for the U.N..
World Education Fellowship.
2007 GAID Nominee. Internet ARPANet forward.
Other Affiliations on Request.

* (as being of California birth I testify your geographic perches may be all
around more exciting)

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Eric Dierker
<cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Rui,
>
> I am embarrassed. In my multicultural training and learning it is my bad to
> have you apologize.  We must always take responsibility for our own role in
> any confusion.
>
> But I am very pleased that at my expense more open and transparent common
> courtesy can have a platform for reminding us. Ours is not perfection to
> obtain but to strive for.
>
> I met this AM with some very wilderness adventurer types at UC Santa
> Barbara.  As the space program has helped us to understand so much in common
> useage of technologies these men and women, especially my colleagues
> involved in Wilderness EMT are teaching me a great deal about remote
> emergency comms.  Here we rage against the machine and its intrusion into
> declared wilderness areas -- but we must govern our own actions to provide
> the most optimum Internet Access when required to save lives. Perhaps with
> discovering the work these fine people are doing we can better provide for
> remote access of information in developing areas. Theirs is not a money
> issue but an environmental one.
>
> Now I am up the Coast at Berkeley and pleased to be finding radical young
> lawyers in training all fired up about IP trying to move in on common
> Internet useage in the college arena.  Were are breaking -- going for a
> sunset hike and then Hunan's infamous Chinese and arguments regarding
> accepting money and from who to escalate the fight.  Standard faire for the
> forming of Governmental controls over out of control multinational
> megacorps.
>
> This stuff makes who is ccing who look like dancing in a geriatric nursing
> home!
>
> It is good to note that common courtesy is becoming a necessary code in
> transmissions critical to lifesaving.  And that young professionals are
> donating time and energy and really caring about Internet Governance.
>
> --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com>
> Subject: [governance] CORRECTION: List Posting Rules: Unsolicited CCing is
> SPAM [was Stop CCing me]
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Cc: "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>, "Joe Baptista" <
> baptista at publicroot.org>, "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 8:05 AM
>
>
> Dear All
>
> My earlier email refers (CCd only to involved parties).
>
> I apologise for wrongly attributing to Eric emails CCd to me, whereas I was
> referring to Joe Baptista. In the email I did in fact email the list AND
> (and only) Joe, BUT in the body of the email errouneously referred to Eric
> and thereafter the name stuck in my mind and I repeated the error. I do
> apologise to Eric for any inconvenience caused.
>
> I am conveyed that to Eric in a reply to an email from him on that subject.
>
> I would however like to refer to my earlier email below and include a point
> 5 that reads as follows:
>
> 5. Using the "Reply to All" function, therefore emailing a former poster's
> personally CC'd recipients shall equally contitute an act of unsilicited
> emailing, i.e., spam. Put differently, if a member of the list decides to CC
> any of his acquaintances, that does not entitle another member to include
> those members in his/ her reply/ comment/ reaction.
>
> Please read points 1 to 4 below (taking into account that the name Eric in
> fact refers to Joe:
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com>
> Date: 2009/8/20
> Subject: List Posting Rules: Unsolicited CCing is SPAM [was Stop CCing me]
> To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>,
> governance at lists.cpsr.org
>
>
> Jeffrey and Eric
>
> Apologies to others, but this is pertinent as we are now engaged in the
> exercise of redefining list participation rules.
>
> 1. I am a subscriber to the list, therefore there is no need to CC me or
> any other subscriber.
> 2. Email that is sent unsolicited is the primary criterion of what
> constitutes spam. Sending spam is against the current rules (and the
> proposed new rules). You are therefore in breach of the rules. The recipient
> informing the sender that the mail is unwelcome merely constitutes an
> aggraving factor.
> 3. Any one is free to further disseminate list debates/ discussions to
> external interested parties by means of CC/ BCC/ FWD whenever one has reason
> to believe that the recipient(s) will welcome receiving such posting(s).
> 4. Depending on applicability, anyone resorting to CCing when that person's
> posting rights have been suspended is guilty of contravening the suspension.
>
>
> In view of the above, I am asking you one last time - STOP CCing me.
>
> I trust that the above is in order.
>
> Rui
>
>
> 2009/8/20 Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>
>
>
>
> Rui and all,
>
>   I would think that the IGC/IGF would welcome anyone to the discussion
> that is CC'ed if the discussion
> is open and transparent in accordance with UN and IGC charter.  After all
> the issues discussed are of,
> or do directly or indirectly the global public do they not?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rui Correia
> Sent: Aug 19, 2009 8:22 AM
> To: Joe Baptista , governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: Re: STOP CCing me: [was Child Porn in Internet governance Re:
> [governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?]
>
> Dear Joe
>
> I know how the list works. However, you will see that whenever Eric posts,
> he adds a whole range of people to the CC field - whether you have been part
> of a discussion or not.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rui
>
>
> 2009/8/19 Joe Baptista <baptista at publicroot.org>
>
> Hi Rui:
>
> I don't think Eric cced you. In any case - that is the nature of this list.
> The problem is in the reply-to headers. When one replies to the list the cc
> is automatic - as in this case when I reply to all. If you just reply - the
> response goes directly to the poster and not the list.
>
> Hope that clarifies the issue for you. The best way to fix this is to
> ensure the reply-to governance bit is set and that control is with the list
> admins - not with me.
>
> regards
> joe baptista
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/19/09, Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Eric
>
> I've been on the governance list since its inception - there really is no
> need for you to cc me - and possibly others - when you post to the list.
> Your gesture is duly acknowledged, but really not necessary.
>
> Yours
>
> Rui
>
>
> 2009/8/19 Joe Baptista <baptista at publicroot.org>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/18/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> act childish in the seeking of internet governance, which is why at present
> Internet Governance is a child.
>
> No - I would not say child. More like a prepubescent teenager. The
> education process is at best very slow. I think I have returned to this
> reasoning on a numerous occasions. Many people involved in internet
> governance have no idea what the Internet is. They know the buzz - believe
> the fiction and completely miss the point and are amazed to find out the
> Internet is very dangerous. I was the first to point that out in 1995 -
> http://bit.ly/Rp0fB - and time has proved me correct on this.
>
> If Internet governance people had any idea just how dangerous the Internet
> always was - is and will be more so as time passes and protocol evolves -
> then they would be seeking less government reliance on the internet and they
> would be warning people on the dangers awaiting them. Most of the
> infrastructure is completely insecure. DNS over UDP is a mess - DNSSEC a
> public relations disaster. And thats just two little protocols.
>
> This is an example of a child porn issue. If people here are serious about
> protecting children from predators and porn on the Internet then ask
> legislative assmblies to legislate children off the Internet. The only way
> to protect them is by cutting the source of the danger.
>
> Unfortunately - as I said what I see of Internet governance here is more
> wide eyed teenagers. All full of hope but completely unaware of the dangers.
> It takes time to grow up - or else become irrelevant - tempora mutantur, nos
> et mutamur en illis.
>
> regards
> joe baptista
> Personal: www.joebaptista.wordpress.com
>
>
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>
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> --
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>
> Rui Correia
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> 2 Cutten St
> Horison
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> South Africa
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> _______________
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>
>
> --
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>
> Rui Correia
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> Horison
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> South Africa
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