[governance] Apologies to Eric [was: Stop attributing to me actions I do not take]

Thu Aug 20 03:31:52 EDT 2009

Dear Eric

Any emails from myself about being CCd by Eric and Jeffrey refer to Joe
Baptista and Jeffrey.

My apologies to Eric.

My email was aimed at Joe. For some reason, I got the two mixed up. You will
see from the my original email about being CCd that I emailed the list and
Joe, but somehow, it was your name that I typed in and thereafter retained
in connection with the CCing of emails.

Without in any way detracting from the fact that I was wrong and am
apologising for it, I would like to add in my defence that you have on
occasion, used the "reply to all" function to emails in which the previous
person had CCd me, resulting in you indirectly and perhaps unwittingly CCing
me.

Best regards,

Rui

2009/8/19 Eric Dierker <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>

> Rui you are mistaken.  I have never added your name, to any post on the
> list.
>
> As a further note. On your relation with Ian.  I made 5 posts in that 24
> hour period -- to the list.  However I made one private one to you.  Ian
> counted the one to you in his public warning.  What kind of open and
> transparent is that?
>
> Note I did not add you or take you off a response to your post. Note I will
> change behavior, but I will not acquiesce to being bullied on a list that
> holds itself out as open.  Be honest and close this list as you wish and
> that is fine.  But do not hold yourself out when submitting documents and
> position papers as being open, transparent and my voice as an individual as
> your list claims.
>
> --- On *Wed, 8/19/09, Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: STOP CCing me: [was Child Porn in Internet governance Re:
> [governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?]
> To: "Joe Baptista" <baptista at publicroot.org>, governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 1:22 PM
>
> Dear Joe
>
> I know how the list works. However, you will see that whenever Eric posts,
> he adds a whole range of people to the CC field - whether you have been part
> of a discussion or not.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rui
>
> 2009/8/19 Joe Baptista <baptista at publicroot.org<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baptista@publicroot.org>
> >
>
>> Hi Rui:
>>
>> I don't think Eric cced you. In any case - that is the nature of this
>> list. The problem is in the reply-to headers. When one replies to the list
>> the cc is automatic - as in this case when I reply to all. If you just reply
>> - the response goes directly to the poster and not the list.
>>
>> Hope that clarifies the issue for you. The best way to fix this is to
>> ensure the reply-to governance bit is set and that control is with the list
>> admins - not with me.
>>
>> regards
>> joe baptista
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/19/09, Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=correia.rui@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Eric
>>>
>>> I've been on the governance list since its inception - there really is no
>>> need for you to cc me - and possibly others - when you post to the list.
>>> Your gesture is duly acknowledged, but really not necessary.
>>>
>>> Yours
>>>
>>> Rui
>>>
>>> 2009/8/19 Joe Baptista <baptista at publicroot.org<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baptista@publicroot.org>
>>> >
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/18/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  act childish in the seeking of internet governance, which is why at
>>>>> present Internet Governance is a child.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No - I would not say child. More like a prepubescent teenager. The
>>>> education process is at best very slow. I think I have returned to this
>>>> reasoning on a numerous occasions. Many people involved in internet
>>>> governance have no idea what the Internet is. They know the buzz - believe
>>>> the fiction and completely miss the point and are amazed to find out the
>>>> Internet is very dangerous. I was the first to point that out in 1995 -
>>>> http://bit.ly/Rp0fB - and time has proved me correct on this.
>>>>
>>>> If Internet governance people had any idea just how dangerous the
>>>> Internet always was - is and will be more so as time passes and protocol
>>>> evolves - then they would be seeking less government reliance on the
>>>> internet and they would be warning people on the dangers awaiting them. Most
>>>> of the infrastructure is completely insecure. DNS over UDP is a mess -
>>>> DNSSEC a public relations disaster. And thats just two little protocols.
>>>>
>>>> This is an example of a child porn issue. If people here are serious
>>>> about protecting children from predators and porn on the Internet then ask
>>>> legislative assmblies to legislate children off the Internet. The only way
>>>> to protect them is by cutting the source of the danger.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately - as I said what I see of Internet governance here is more
>>>> wide eyed teenagers. All full of hope but completely unaware of the dangers.
>>>> It takes time to grow up - or else become irrelevant - tempora mutantur, nos
>>>> et mutamur en illis.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> joe baptista
>>>> Personal: www.joebaptista.wordpress.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Rui Correia
>>> Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant
>>> 2 Cutten St
>>> Horison
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>>> South Africa
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joe Baptista
>>
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>>
>> Personal: www.joebaptista.wordpress.com
>>
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