[governance] Is ICANN listening?
Lucy Lynch
llynch at civil-tongue.net
Mon Aug 3 14:35:06 EDT 2009
not sure how I'm included in this discussion as all I did was
send a note about hoe technolgy worked - meant to be helpful.
- Lucy
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Jeffrey A. Williams wrote:
> Eric and all,
>
> Ditto! I am always more than willing to read/listen to whatever
> Jeanette or Lucy have to say as much as anyone else. I would hope
> that everyone would be thinking likewise... Cross posting is a
> contrivance that is counter inclusive and therefore often a evil that
> should be rejected, IMO... However be advised, I am not willing
> to give Jeanette or Lucy more consideration than anyone else...
>
> cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>>
>> This mail has been getting me to wonder; "what does Jeanette Hofmann
> do regarding IG that is more relevant than a General Assembly attached
> to Generic Names as part of the closest thing we have to IG??" I
> suppose her objection to discussing GA here has something more deep,
> closer to a prohibition on cross posting. Something about dividing
> and conquering. Something about not letting the unruly masses know
> what is going on across the board. But perhaps there is something
> that most of us are not aware of that Ms. Hoffmann and Lucy Lynch are
> involved in. If that is the case I would sure appreciate being
> updated.
>
> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette at wzb.eu> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette at wzb.eu>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Eric Dierker"
> <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "Lucy Lynch" <llynch at civil-tongue.net>
> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 5:48 AM
>
> Hi, can you please take discussions about the GA list
> elsewhere and also stop attacking members of the IG caucus?
> Thank you. Jeanette
>
> Eric Dierker wrote:
> > Sorry, Not the first time I did not check. Mia Culpa, my
> bad.
> > Our cool netiquette rules have been developed over a good
> period of time. They are not nonsense. In a very real
> respect/aspect they are as important as our Net Gov. of
> Protocals and Addressing. While sometimes passion and
> conviction seem to require a breach of common courtesy it
> should never be the rule. We should all endeavor to share a
> mutual respect by abiding by civil society decency in
> communication.
> > A very poor and not so bright man once spoke; "if only my
> neighbor could to me, and I could to her, be fair, honest
> and courteous, I scarcely say there would be little need for
> government or laws" (ed - to a Jury, in a murder trial
> 1986)
> > A big thank you to all those who monitor and domo, the
> world is a better place for your efforts.
> > Eric
> >
> > --- On *Wed, 7/29/09, Lucy Lynch
> /<llynch at civil-tongue.net>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Lucy Lynch <llynch at civil-tongue.net>
> > Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Eric Dierker"
> > <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>
> > Cc: "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 3:44 PM
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Eric Dierker wrote:
> >
> > > Well that is very nice Avri. And I agree with much
> of what you
> > say. However their are two people who were regular
> contributors
> > suspended/censored from the list. There are no
> recognized monitors
> > and the majordomo is hidden. That is all on you. YOU
> censored them.
> > but with nothing open and transparent. So your talk
> is not
> > consistent with your actions as is the case generally
> with the GNSO.
> > Your governmental process is backroom and by fiat.
> So you really
> > do epitomize ICANNs lack of accountability and ability
> to do and say
> > opposite things.
> >
> > Using full headers reveals:
> >
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> >
> > sorry for interrupting with technical info...
> >
> > > --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> >
> <http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=avri@acm.org>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> >
> <http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=avri@acm.org>>
>
> > > Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
> > > To: "Governance List" <governance at lists.cpsr.org
> >
> <http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org>>
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> > > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29 Jul 2009, at 03:35,
> cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net
> >
> <http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net>
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep
> it running it
> > is up to you.
> > >
> > > I take that as the responsibility to make sure the
> list stays up
> > and remains orderly, for some definition of orderly.
> > > Additionally I take it as my responsibility to read
> that list on
> > a regular basis.
> > >
> > > The list is up, it functions, it is moderately
> orderly and I read
> > it regularly.
> > >
> > >
> > > I do not think that responsibility extends to
> trying to make that
> > list anything more then a list where people who
> subscribe and wish
> > to comment on ICANN related issues can do so in peace.
> In fact,
> > without a decision of the GNSO Council approved by the
> ICANN Board,
> > I would see trying to change the list as out of scope
> for me. That
> > is, I do not see my responsibility as being one of
> trying to make
> > the GA list re-evolve into anything resembling what
> the GA was meant
> > to be before it was decimated in the transition from
> DNSO to GNSO
> > without a proper policy process - too many people in
> ICANN already
> > usurp the right to make policy without proper process,
> and I am not
> > about to become one of them If the list wants to be
> more then a
> > list or wants to spin off real organizations then it
> is the
> > responsibility of those on that list to do so, and I
> would not
> > hinder that effort.
> > >
> > > In a few months I will no longer be a member of the
> GNSO Council
> > (I can hear some people already rejoicing in the
> background!). At
> > that point I will remain a member of the GA list, and
> at that point,
> > if I want that list to be something more then a basket
> for
> > complaints then it will be become my responsibility as
> a member of
> > the list to try and do something. Until then, I am
> just one of the
> > caretakers of the GA list who keep it running and
> nothing more.
> > >
> > > a.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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