[governance] no need to feed the trolls
Parminder
parminder at itforchange.net
Tue Oct 28 05:42:22 EDT 2008
Hi All
Just to inform that the co-coordinators are seized of the matter underlying
the exchanges on this thread. And we will take appropriate decisions. I
request members to move on and do more postings on this issue. Thanks.
Parminder
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang
> [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:16 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jeffrey A. Williams
> Subject: AW: [governance] no need to feed the trolls
>
> Dear Jeff
>
> I met last week a guy from Germany who wants to become a member of the
> German Bundestag after next years elections. He outet himself as member of
> the INEGroup. He told me that they have ministers in more than 50
> governments around the globe and are very active in more than 2000 online-
> lists everywhere. And he admires you as the most respected leader and
> godfather of the whole movement. He will organize a "Jeff Williams
> Celebration Day" in 2009 at May, 17, which is also the "World Internet
> Day". One of the purpose of the Day - he expects hundreds of speakers from
> all over the world - is to create a "Jeff Williams Fan Club" (JEWIFAC).
> The JEWIFAC Preparatory Group (PrepGrou) as already asked a world wide
> known composer to write a "Jeff Williams Anthem" in D-Dur. Are you aware
> of his activities and what is your recommendation? How we can help?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com]
> Gesendet: Mo 27.10.2008 03:04
> An: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Betreff: Re: [governance] no need to feed the trolls
>
>
>
> Jeanette and all,
>
> Certainly selective sensorship works. I employ it when and where
> necessary and justified ethically speaking. I cannot of course say
> for myself that such applies to myself or any of our INEGroup members.
> Thankfully Jeanette is one of a tiny few that does. But idologically
> extream often take such a position...
>
> Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > the best thing is to filter emails from Jeffrey and ignore him. This
> > reduces the noise to those who keep replying to Jeffrey's emails. I have
> > been doing this for years and it works well.
> > jeanette
> >
> > Jeffrey A. Williams wrote:
> > > Adam and all,
> > >
> > > Sorry Adam, your incorrect. INEGroup is registered and is
> > > filed with the US FEC. Submitting a FOIA request, which has been
> > > done on several occasions, will give you the factual information
> > > via an independant source that you need or desire. Further
> > > we are registered with Edgar and DOC/NTIA as of 1998 which
> > > you can check out for yourself if you so choose, also via a
> > > FOIA request as well. So as always, do your due diligance
> > > if you desire accordingly.
> > >
> > > Sorry everyone else, but Adam is publically here challanging
> > > me and INEGroup, yet he has never submitted the legally proper
> > > FOIA request to be making the FALSE statement he is making
> > > below. However Adam has had from time to time disagreements
> > > with our members positions and has demonstrated privately
> > > via Email that he has a personal vendetta, as I would and others
> > > whom have reviewed independantly those Email at my request,
> > > discribed such. This is unfortunate and certainly not any of
> > > my doing. But if you wish, I can forward those Email to any
> > > of you for your review upon request and a signed non disclosure
> > > agreement if you provide a mailing address or via forward by
> > > Email if you have a valid and up to date, Class 2 cert.
> > >
> > > But Adam is correct about one thing, that member count in
> > > my sig file below, is not fully up to date. That is simply because
> > > I don't yet have an accurate count, but our membership is now
> > > estimated to be closer to 284,000 members presently. However
> > > until I recieve an accurate count, I will not be updating my Sig file
> > > to reflect the correct figure accordingly so as not to be misleading.
> > >
> > > Adam Peake wrote:
> > >
> > >>> Hi Ian and Parminder,
> > >>>
> > >>> Would you both like to intervene on these issues of identity crisis
> please?
> > >> Why?
> > >>
> > >> Jeff Williams has been posting to ICANN and general Internet lists
> > >> for years. You will find plenty of notes about who he is (or is not)
> > >> and about the claims he makes.
> > >>
> > >> He closes every email with a .sig that's patently untrue. There is
> > >> no INEGroup LLA, no 281k members/stakeholders.
> > >>
> > >> You judge if you want to bother replying. I'd suggest best just to
> > >> ignore him. It's not about substance, some of his emails are as sane
> > >> as anyone else's, some are inflammatory, some are just silly. As the
> > >> subject lines suggests it's best not to feed the troll. And to use
> > >> another online cliche... your mileage may vary.
> > >>
> > >> I am not Paddy bateman,, but I agree with his/her comment.
> > >>
> > >> It would also be best not to continue this thread!
> > >>
> > >> Adam
> > >>
> > >>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Paddy bateman
> > >>> <pbateman.igov at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> > For those who may be tempted to take seriously the posts by Jeff
> Williams,
> > >>>> please consider that his only role in the Internet community is as
> a
> > >>>> longstanding troll who has delighted in clogging up multiple
> > >>>> Internet-related mailing lists with gibberish and lies over the
> past decade.
> > >>>> It's nothing more than a game for him. The best way of keeping
> this list
> > >>>> useful is to completely ignore his posts.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For more background information, see here:
> > >>> > http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08030.html
> > >>>> And if he complains that he he is being defamed by this mail,
> which he
> > >>>> probably will, and you are tempted to take him seriously, first
> ask him
> > >>>> where you may be able to find some information about "INEGroup
> LLA", the
> > >>>> imaginary organization he claims to be spokesperson for. If
> INEGroup LLA
> > >>>> actually existed, and if it had more than 281,000
> > >>>> members as he falsely claims in each of his mails, then you would
> think
> > >>>> there might be some public information available. You'd also think
> that one
> > >>>> or two of those members might be willing to identify themselves.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> He is playing a game. We are trying to tackle serious issues. We
> do not need
> > >>>> his distractions.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -pb
> > >>>>
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
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> > >>> --------------------------
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> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> > > Abraham Lincoln
> > >
> > > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> > > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> > >
> > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > > United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > > ===============================================================
> > > Updated 1/26/04
> > > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
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> Regards,
>
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!)
> "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> Abraham Lincoln
>
> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>
> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> ===============================================================
> Updated 1/26/04
> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
> div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
> ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
> jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
> My Phone: 214-244-4827
>
>
>
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