AW: [governance] no need to feed the trolls

Tue Oct 28 04:46:29 EDT 2008

Dear Jeff

I met last week a guy from Germany who wants to become a member of the German Bundestag after next years elections. He outet himself as member of the INEGroup. He told me that they have ministers in more than 50 governments around the globe and are very active in more than 2000 online-lists everywhere. And he admires you as the most respected leader and godfather of the whole movement. He will organize a "Jeff Williams Celebration Day" in 2009 at May, 17, which is also the "World Internet Day". One of the purpose of the Day - he expects hundreds of speakers from all over the world - is to create a "Jeff Williams Fan Club" (JEWIFAC). The JEWIFAC Preparatory Group (PrepGrou) as already asked a world wide known composer to write a "Jeff Williams Anthem" in D-Dur. Are you aware of his activities and what is your recommendation?  How we can help?  

Best wishes

Wolfgang

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Von: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com]
Gesendet: Mo 27.10.2008 03:04
An: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Betreff: Re: [governance] no need to feed the trolls

Jeanette and all,

  Certainly selective sensorship works.  I employ it when and where
necessary and justified ethically speaking.  I cannot of course say
for myself that such applies to myself or any of our INEGroup members.
Thankfully Jeanette is one of a tiny few that does.  But idologically
extream often take such a position...

Jeanette Hofmann wrote:

> Hi,
> the best thing is to filter emails from Jeffrey and ignore him. This
> reduces the noise to those who keep replying to Jeffrey's emails. I have
> been doing this for years and it works well.
> jeanette
>
> Jeffrey A. Williams wrote:
> > Adam and all,
> >
> >   Sorry Adam, your incorrect.  INEGroup is registered and is
> > filed with the US FEC.  Submitting a FOIA request, which has been
> > done on several occasions, will give you the factual information
> > via an independant source that you need or desire.  Further
> > we are registered with Edgar and DOC/NTIA as of 1998 which
> > you can check out for yourself if you so choose, also via a
> > FOIA request as well.  So as always, do your due diligance
> > if you desire accordingly.
> >
> >   Sorry everyone else, but Adam is publically here challanging
> > me and INEGroup, yet he has never submitted the legally proper
> > FOIA request to be making the FALSE statement he is making
> > below.  However Adam has had from time to time disagreements
> > with our members positions and has demonstrated privately
> > via Email that he has a personal vendetta, as I would and others
> > whom have reviewed independantly those Email at my request,
> > discribed such.  This is unfortunate and certainly not any of
> > my doing.  But if you wish, I can forward those Email to any
> > of you for your review upon request and a signed non disclosure
> > agreement if you provide a mailing address or via forward by
> > Email if you have a valid and up to date, Class 2 cert.
> >
> >   But Adam is correct about one thing, that member count in
> > my sig file below, is not fully up to date.  That is simply because
> > I don't yet have an accurate count, but our membership is now
> > estimated to be closer to 284,000 members presently.  However
> > until I recieve an accurate count, I will not be updating my Sig file
> > to reflect the correct figure accordingly so as not to be misleading.
> >
> > Adam Peake wrote:
> >
> >>> Hi Ian and Parminder,
> >>>
> >>> Would you both like to intervene on these issues of identity crisis please?
> >> Why?
> >>
> >> Jeff Williams has been posting to ICANN and general Internet lists
> >> for years. You will find plenty of notes about who he is (or is not)
> >> and about the claims he makes.
> >>
> >> He closes every email with a .sig that's patently untrue.  There is
> >> no INEGroup LLA, no 281k members/stakeholders.
> >>
> >> You judge if you want to bother replying. I'd suggest best just to
> >> ignore him.  It's not about substance, some of his emails are as sane
> >> as anyone else's, some are inflammatory, some are just silly. As the
> >> subject lines suggests it's best not to feed the troll. And to use
> >> another online cliche... your mileage may vary.
> >>
> >> I am not Paddy bateman,, but I agree with his/her comment.
> >>
> >> It would also be best not to continue this thread!
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Paddy bateman
> >>> <pbateman.igov at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>  > For those who may be tempted to take seriously the posts by Jeff Williams,
> >>>>  please consider that his only role in the Internet community is as a
> >>>>  longstanding troll who has delighted in clogging up multiple
> >>>>  Internet-related mailing lists with gibberish and lies over the past decade.
> >>>>  It's nothing more than a game for him. The best way of keeping this list
> >>>>  useful is to completely ignore his posts.
> >>>>
> >>>>  For more background information, see here:
> >>>  > http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08030.html
> >>>>  And if he complains that he he is being defamed by this mail, which he
> >>>>  probably will, and you are tempted to take him seriously, first ask him
> >>>>  where you may be able to find some information about "INEGroup LLA", the
> >>>>  imaginary organization he claims to be spokesperson for. If INEGroup LLA
> >>>>  actually existed, and if it had more than 281,000
> >>>>  members as he falsely claims in each of his mails, then you would think
> >>>>  there might be some public information available. You'd also think that one
> >>>>  or two of those members might be willing to identify themselves.
> >>>>
> >>>>  He is playing a game. We are trying to tackle serious issues. We do not need
> >>>>  his distractions.
> >>>>
> >>>>  -pb
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>> --------------------------
> >>> Fouad Bajwa
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> > Regards,
> >
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> >    Abraham Lincoln
> >
> > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> >
> > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > ===============================================================
> > Updated 1/26/04
> > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
> > div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
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> > jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
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Regards,

Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
My Phone: 214-244-4827

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