Sv: Re: [governance] What this debate is really about

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Discrimination and exclusion always hurt and it´s hard to get used to.
Ann-Kristin 
Indigenous ICT tf

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Datum: 24-05-2008 06:31
Till: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Milton L Mueller"<mueller at syr.edu>
Ärende: Re: [governance] What this debate is really about

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> 
wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> - Is it ok to bar someone based on class of employer (or any other
>> discernible choice attribute)?
>>
>
> Neither Nomcom nor IGC have any ability to "bar" anyone from 
anything.
>
> We are talking about who we want to put forward as _our_ 
representatives
> and spokespersons on the IG Forum Advisory Group.
>
> This debate is only partially about conflicts of interest; more
> fundamentally, it's all about WHO WE TRUST to represent us.

It's about discrimination, about exclusion a priori, with no
definition of who is possibly excluded.

>
> So, a note to Sadowsky, McTim and Suresh: you need to accept the 
fact
> that a significant number of people on this list do not fully trust 
a
> staff member or director of an RIR or ICANN to represent civil 
society
> on the AG.

But we have, in the past, nominated just such a person to the MAG.
Milton, I have pointed this out several times in the last few days.  I
would be deeply disappointed to find you didn't read every word of my
emails.  Perhaps you have just forgotten this fact.

You might think about why that is true.**
>
> Another fact: You are not going to change this situation by whining
> about the unfairness of the Nomcom or creating a big fight about its
> decision criteria.

I want to make sure such a rank injustice doesn't happen again, adding
one sentence to the nomcom bit of the charter seems easier than trying
to persuade people that their paranoia is unjustified.  It's a wrong
that i want to see righted, AFAIK, that's a  CS attribute.

There are better ways to address that problem. You
> are intelligent enough to figure out what they are.

I'm not, really.  When I see people breaking rules, ignoring (and even
creating falsehoods about) our precedents, I tend to think that making
the rules even more clear is a good solution.  What else do you
suggest?

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
$ whois -h whois.afrinic.net mctim
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