"bridge", was Re: VS: [governance] Summary Report of IGF MAG

[Carlos Afonso]

Suresh, sorry to say this, but you sound like a religious shrink who 
claims only God is the salvation for this unfaithful and reckless civil 
society, mentally helpless in the hands of implacable demons like MM and 
his satanic followers. Should we follow the brotherhood of Drake, Peake 
& Doria, then? Religiosity aside, I would be comfortable with it :)

frt rgds

--c.a.

Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> Especially when a few people seem concerned with chopping down the bridges
> as fast as others work hard to build them - some due to naïvete (Parminder,
> that's you, sorry), some due to petty, poisonous political baggage (Milton
> of course, who else).. 
> 
> God help civil society - or at least the subset of itself that's out here on
> this list.. you pick your representatives like this, you overreach yourself
> in the pursuit of goals that are neither attainable or even a good idea if
> you'd bother to think deeply, you wear a giant set of blinkers labeled ICANN
> control, and you then get what's coming to you. Defeat.
> 
> Listen to Bill Drake, Adam, Avri and a few others on the list.  They
> (especially Adam) seem to have kind of saved MAG for you and that's quite a
> feat given all this bungling in the background.  Ideally BEFORE you send in
> any workshop requests. You let the IGP load workshop content onto the
> Hyderabad agenda and you wont like what the result is.
> 
> Yes, some [or a lot of] this email is ad hominem but I am a bit past the
> stage of caring.  
> 
> 	suresh
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alejandro Pisanty [mailto:apisan at servidor.unam.mx]
>> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 7:27 AM
>> To: Governance Caucus; Avri Doria
>> Subject: "bridge", was Re: VS: [governance] Summary Report of IGF MAG
>> available
>>
>> Avri,
>>
>> thanks again for pointing to the absurdity of the sectarian, pigeon-
>> holing
>> approach. The grand collaboration that is the Internet is ill
>> approached
>> by first demanding people to divide themselves in groups and then try
>> to
>> coordinate. Much better to involve "bridge" people like you and a few
>> others. The latest weeks have proven the fruitlessness of the "divide,
>> divide, divide" approach.
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>
>>
>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  . .  .  .  .
>> .  .
>>       Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>> UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>>
>> *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
>> *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>> *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>>
>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, www.isoc.org
>>   Participa en ICANN, www.icann.org
>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>>  .  .
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Avri Doria wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:18:27 +0100
>>> From: Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>>> Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>>> To: Governance Caucus <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
>>> Subject: Re: VS: [governance] Summary Report of IGF MAG available
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Mar 2008, at 14:44, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
>>>
>>>> And how you can split the other 20 among PS, CS and technical and
>> academic
>>>> community? 7 PS, 7 CS and 4 TC and 2 AC?
>>> are you assuming that each participant wears one hat and only one hat?
>>>
>>> due to my status as a consultant to the secretariat, i am not
>> qualified for
>>> this game, but i consider myself as having a hat in each of these
>> closets:
>>> - i belong to several NGO's and am working on founding one with some
>> other
>>> people, and thus consider myself CS
>>> - i have a part time university appointment and thus am AC
>>> - i participate in the IETF, am an appointee in ICANN, write
>> protocols, and
>>> do technical research and thus am TC
>>> - i hire myself out as professional consultant (gotta pay the rent
>> somehow)
>>> and hence am a small business person - PS
>>>
>>> I don't think I am alone in this multi-hatted nature (though i may
>> take it to
>>> extremes)
>>>
>>> note, the gov'ts don't only appoint government people.  some can
>> appoint CS,
>>> especially in those countries where CS considers itself served well
>> by the
>>> gov't.  in fact this was part of the argument for more people from
>>> development countries since they consider that those countries are
>> the ones
>>> who really support CS.  so _in addition_ to trying to place
>> development CS
>>> people through the other category, i suggest that CS from developing
>>> countries get their gov'ts to live up to the promise.
>>>
>>> a.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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