[governance] Re: Discussion analysis

Mon Jun 2 12:31:31 EDT 2008

Ginger wrote
 "Discussion lists can be a spectator sport J as well as online learning".
I agree with the latter (onlin larning) and abhor the first that
appears some what perjorative. People are spectators of a sport for
playrs performances  for which they gain moral satisfaction. But a
spectator in an Online discussion? Me think not.
May be the allusion to "quiet" subscribers to the list discusion is
what preempted that conclusion.
Some forumers are quiet because some topics are not within their
centre of interest. Unless, we will say that we are out for Jacks of
all trades on this forum.
This will be more difficult to obtain than landing man on Jupiter

Aaron

On 6/2/08, Ginger Paque <ginger at paque.net> wrote:
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> Robert Guerra said:
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> 1. I'm curious if an analysis has been done on the comments posted on this
> thread to date - specifically the gender, linguistic diversity and regional
> breakdown of who is posting, and the positions being put forward.
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> Ginger says:
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> That would be very interesting. I don't know how valuable, or of what use,
> but it would sure be interesting. So might a chart showing who knows whom,
> and what previous relationships they have had.
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> Robert Guerra said:
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> though a select few seem to be posting far too often, others - seem to
> quiet. As this seems an important topic, let's make sure that all members of
> this list - be encouraged, and given the chance to comment.
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> Ginger says:
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> I think each person posts as often as they see fit, by their own criteria,
> and that there is no "too often" or "too quiet". Some of us are, ok, some
> would say, "lurking"—but I would say watching and learning. I am observing
> discussions by people I have read, seen on panels and agreed or disagreed
> with. It is interesting to contrast prepared presentations to these
> impromptu behind-the-scenes conversations. But I would say these are
> discussions that are sometimes challenging to really understand and digest,
> much less join. Discussion lists can be a spectator sport J as well as
> online learning.
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> Saludos (Greetings, in Spanish)
>
> Ginger
> ________________________________
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> De: Robert Guerra [mailto:lists at privaterra.info]
> Enviado el: Lunes, 02 de Junio de 2008 08:50 a.m.
> Para: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Asunto: Re: [governance] Re: Nomcom and conflict of interest
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> Having followed this thread I have a couple of comments:
>
> 1. I'm curious if an analysis has been done on the comments posted on this
> thread to date - specifically the gender, linguistic diversity and regional
> breakdown of who is posting, and the positions being put forward.
>
> though a select few seem to be posting far too often, others - seem to
> quiet. As this seems an important topic, let's make sure that all members of
> this list - be encouraged, and given the chance to comment.
>
>
> 2. In my view - RIRs should be included as a full member in our IGC
> discussions.
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> During phase II of WSIS as well as post-wsis, i have had the chance to
> better appreciate the role and contribution played by Regional Internet
> Registries (RIR's) in the IG discussions. Two particularly, i followed
> closely - that being LACNIC & ARIN.
>
> LACNIC's role in engaging a wide set of stakeholders in the latin american &
> Carribean region is to be commended. They are a very active stakeholder in
> the LAC region, and contribute to the regional (mostly spanish & portuguese)
> IG list. From what colleagues in the region tell me  - they are quite
> respected and seen as a good example of facilitator, one that brings
> different stakeholders together.
>
> Having an actor such is this active and involved in the IGC, in my opinion -
> is much needed. In my view, the decision weither or not it should have full
> representation on this list (and structures it creates) should be determined
> not by those unfamiliar with its work - but instead from CS from the LAC
> region.  When consulting views from the LAC region - one will find much
> support, and this should be taken into consideration by those who seem to
> post ad-nausem about this topic.
>
> In terms of comments about ARIN , I have the upmost respect for them - Ray
> and others - as well. The comments I mention about LACNIC, equally apply.
> But, I will add some additional comments - that being commending ARIN for
> their outreach and engagement at the recent NTEN conference in New Orleans.
>  Sharing information about IG and engaging non-profits, and the public at
> large is a role - all of us should be be doing - but, few are. ARIN's
> efforts in this regard is to be commended.
>
> As someone from the NA region - who knows their their consultation and PDP
> are truly bottom up - would recommend their full member of this caucus.
>
> Thus - of the two RIR's that I know - seem to have the processes and track
> record of effectively engaging the public and CS . Simply ignoring the fact,
> is not recognizing the hundreds of voices who speak at their public
> meetings.
>
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> RIR's in my view - bring a value, experience and knowledge of their regions
> to the IG discussion table. Their consultation processes are open, and in
> many ways represent far more "CS" then many on list. To simple ignore their
> role or importance - is just wrong.  It my opinion, to summarily dismiss
> their role, importance and exclude them as a full member of this caucus -
> would be a strategic mistake.
>
> regards
>
> Robert
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> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
> wrote:
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> Rui Correia [02/06/08 14:19 +0200]:
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> 20 pages??? writing 20 pages??? you must be judging others by your own
> verbal incontinence. Unless necessary - eg, for academic purposes - I
> can say anything I need to say in less than 50 words.
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> I believe my last email was addressed to Parminder, not you.
>
> I've already said what I need to say. If a few people on the list "fail" to
> understand them and keep making the same wrong arguments, I have, perforce,
> to repeat myself.
>
>        srs
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>
>
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