[governance] IPv[4,6, 4/6] was IGF delhi format

McTim dogwallah at gmail.com
Wed Feb 27 07:18:47 EST 2008


Guru,

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Guru <guru at itforchange.net> wrote:
> McTim,
>
>
>  "I think this is empirically false in terms of current policy and current
>  proposals for v4 exhaustion.  I think I have pointed out before that in the
>  current situation, Africa, Latin America and Asia Pacific regions will have
>  IPv4 address space to distribute after the US and Eu registries run out of
>  v4 (at current allocation/assignment rates)."
>
>  This is a correct statement if you believe that the current usage pattern
>  across these countries/continents will be stable beyond the short term and
>  is even_desirable_or_acceptable.
>

We ONLY HAVE the short term.  IANAs IPv4 cookie jar is almost empty,
in ~2 years there won't be a crumb left.  A few weeks/months after
that the US and EU registries will, for all intents and purposes, have
no more to distribute.  In Africa, we will likely have many more
months/(years?) of supply left after the US/EU run out.

"Desirability" or "acceptability" has nothing to do with it, it's just
the reality of the situation.  You cannot change the facts of
history, in which much of the v4 space was given in pre-CIDR days.
Props to IANA for getting a /8 back recently, but there aren't many
more of those going to come back. Certainly not the "Class E" space.

>  However, if our goal is to build a "inclusive information society where all
>  people have access to knowledge, enabling individuals, communities and
>  peoples to achieve their full potential in improving their quality of life",
>  then it is reasonable to assume that people of Africa and Asia will also
>  need to have same 'levels' of participation in the information society as
>  those currently in US and EU have. Meaning that the usage of the Internet
>  will need to be similar across these geographies (in which case nearly 1/2
>  of the total addresses ought to be just from India and China!).
>

We will have to use v6 for that.

>  A progressive and forward looking vision that we need to own and work for
>  would include enabling creation of the information society visualised in the
>  WSIS DOP. This also implies we work to set up proactive governance
>  structures that understand their responsibilities in this regard. 'Industry
>  led' governance structures could not be expected to deal with these larger
>  complex issues since these geographies do not offer sufficient 'incentives'.

So the IETF/IANA/RIRs/et. al came up with and started to distribute v6
addresses over the last decade+ on a whim? just for fun? I'd say they
were plenty proactive on this one!

>  Whereas the history of social movements suggests that change on a large
>  scale (including items like schooling), requires significant collaborative /
>  public efforts. IG will be an opportunity to innovate new structures and
>  processes for such collaborations across different groups in society.
>  Including the wider CS constituencies we spoke of sometime back on this
>  list.

There are incredibly innovative, bottom up, MS, transparent, inclusive
Internet coordination, capacity building and communication bodies
already in existence.  Two of them are going on this week in Asia.
They are talking about v6 sure, but what's more they are actually
doing something about v6 deployment.

I suggest that if you want to have legitimate stake in this issue or
even the ability to speak knowledgeably about it, you'd be far better
off spending your limited resources in sending representatives to the
Taiwan meetings instead of Geneva.

>
>  This discussion has a parallel to the discussions on climate change/global
>  warming. While the US (or some in the USG) would like to compare the
>  absolute emissions of fossil fuel use of India, China and US, as the basis
>  for emission control; the developing countries have argued that this is not
>  fair and what we need to compare is per-capita emissions rather than
>  absolute emissions, since we do not aim to build a society where certain
>  countries/economies 'enjoy higher standards of living' and others condemned
>  to 'lower subsistence levels'.

And many (hundreds of thousands) of IP addresses PER CAPITA are
available to number interfaces owned by
Chinese/Indians/Americans/Swedes/$Whoever.  These, by necessity, MUST
be IPv6 addresses.

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
$ whois -h whois.afrinic.net mctim
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