[governance] Reconstituting MAG (Tech/admin language)

[Meryem Marzouki]

Jeanette,

What I can read from your previous post of Feb 12 is this excerpt:  
"As I have probably said before, I think we should stick to 3 groups  
(govs, biz, cs) instead of adding another group."
So, could please clarify in which sense you agree with Bill, who's  
saying that he's opposed to "membership should (ideally) divided  
equally among governments, civil society and the business  
sector" (with the rest of the paragraph).

Is it that, in the end, you are of the opinion that ICANN and other  
members of the so-called "technical community" are CS organizations,  
and thus should be counted as such in terms of number of members of  
the MAG?

I'm also asking the same question to Bill and Adam. And Suresh. I  
know McTim is clear on this: for him, the answer is yes. I haven't  
seen Lee agreeing on this (in his last email he said "Meryem's  
formulation or Ian's is close enough.").

Meryem

Le 20 févr. 08 à 16:07, Jeanette Hofmann a écrit :

> I agree with both Bill and Adam. I explained why some days back.
> We should really stop this discussion as it is clear for days that  
> we won't reach consensus beyond the statement expressed below.
> jeanette
>
> Adam Peake wrote:
>> I agree with Bill.
>> I think we should simply be arguing CS has been under-represented  
>> for the past two years and we wish to see a fair rebalancing as  
>> new members of the MAG rotate in.
>> Adam
>>> Milton,
>>>
>>> FWIW I've always heard them referred to in IGF as TC, and of  
>>> course it does
>>> reduce the number of seats for CS, as do other asymmetries.  It  
>>> would
>>> certainly be appropriate for a statement to say that there's a very
>>> significant imbalance in stakeholder group representation in the  
>>> current mAG
>>> with CS being conspicuously underrepresented relative to others,  
>>> and that
>>> this should be corrected in the refresh.  Saying that gets across  
>>> our
>>> immediate concern clearly without having to get into questioning  
>>> who besides
>>> CS gets to be at the table in precisely what numbers and what  
>>> they should be
>>> called.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> BD
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/20/08 11:10 AM, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>  From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com]
>>>>>
>>>>>  Can you point out to me where the IGF secretariat has  
>>>>> perceived that
>>>>>  entities (word chosen to avoid the current discussion of  
>>>>> whether they
>>>>>  are IOs or not) such as ICANN, RIR and IETF are CS?
>>>>
>>>>  Formal statements? Of course not, Secretariat bureaucrats are too
>>>>  careful for that. So I answer your question with another one:  
>>>> If the
>>>>  9-10 I* organizations are not counted as CS, what are they  
>>>> counted as?
>>>>  And where is it stated anywhere what they are counted as? And  
>>>> if they
>>>>  are considered a separate "technical community" then by definition
>>>>  giving them that status as a stakeholder group on a par with CS  
>>>> reduces
>>>>  the number of CS people on the MAG, does it not?
>>>
>>>
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