[governance] communicating with our peers

[Carlos Afonso]

We seem to be refining the issue (which is good) to a point in which we 
will need regular, efficient moderation (which is uncertain). If we can 
have good moderation on a regular basis (which is not the case in most 
lists), Adam's proposal seems OK.

Also, the open list needs moderation as well -- not only to make sure 
spammers do not easily get access.

frt rgds

--c.a.

Adam Peake wrote:
> Thanks for these comments.
> 
> I agree a risk of two lists is people may default to the closed.  And 
> the ALAC lists are an example.
> 
> Could this tendency be avoided if before a thread's started on the 
> closed list or moved to the closed list there must be a note about this 
> on the open list. All would then know there was a discussion going on, 
> and at some point it would be summarized back (in some form).  If the 
> closed list were used to excess then it should be obvious.
> 
> Personally I'd much prefer a closed list for some discussions.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> At 10:50 AM +0100 2/10/08, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>> Ian Peter ha scritto:
>>> My experience with organizations which have adopted the one open, one 
>>> closed
>>> list approach is that the majority of discussion just moves over to the
>>> closed list over time, whether it is sensitive or not. If there are two
>>> lists, there still has to be a mechanism to achieve transparency around
>>> issues where the closed list has been utilized.
>>
>> My experience with the ALAC - which adopts that approach - is that, 
>> notwithstanding regular appeals by the Chairman and by some committed 
>> members, most group and staff members would continuously move 
>> discussions to the private list, even the ones that had started in 
>> public; in fact, several people, in full honesty, seem to think that 
>> group discussions should be private except when there is a need to go 
>> public. I'm not in the ALAC any more, but things seem to be actually 
>> getting worse over time; with an ICANN meeting starting right now and 
>> tons of issue discussions and preparatory work going on, in this 
>> initial stretch of February the public ALAC list had an average of one 
>> message a day, of which just two were by ALAC members.
>>
>> This is just an example, but there seems to be a constant pattern so 
>> that we all agree on the importance of transparency and we all 
>> complain when fellow civil society members do not send long and prompt 
>> reports and do not disclose each and every detail of what is happening 
>> behind the doors, but whenever we get appointed to one of these groups 
>> we start behaving secretly, or at least we fail to allocate sufficient 
>> energy to fulfill the same commitment to transparency that we require 
>> to others.
>>
>> Of course this is an average assessment, and there are some people who 
>> do put a lot of effort in communicating when they are appointed inside 
>> closed groups (honestly, I think I always tried hard), but practicing 
>> and preaching tend to often be two very separate worlds.
>> -- 
>> vb.                   Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu   <--------
>> -------->  finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/  <--------
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