[governance] Nitin Desai's two groups

Wed Dec 3 03:27:49 EST 2008

Bill and all,

  Different views and level of importance of specific issues have been
known to exist sense at least 1999.  Nothing new or overly reveling
in that fact.  Much discussion, debate on same took place in ernest
on the now long defunct ICANN DNSO mailing list.
See:http://www.dnso.org/mailinglists.html

William Drake wrote:

>  Hi, I agree with Ian, Nitin's quick stylized comments merely alluded
> to the existence of different views, he wasn't purporting to present a
> complete mapping of their topography.  There are many different
> perspectives in play, and I for one wouldn't fit in ether of the two
> groups he posited.  As I said in the meeting, there are a number of
> grounds on which CS people might criticize the IGF's institutional
> organization and performance.  For some us this includes arguing that
> it needs to totally transformed so as to be able to adopt
> recommendations, while for others it entails opposition to or
> agnosticism on recommendations but also a desire for more structured
> agendas and ongoing monitoring and assessment of and catalyzing of
> reform within decision making bodies.  Either way, the main point is
> to offer these and other criticisms in a constructive manner that
> doesn't lend credence to the claims of those forces asserting that the
> IGF is irredeemably broken and hence its functions should be shifted
> elsewhere, e.g. to a traditional intergovermental
> organization. Best, Bill On Dec 4, 2008, at 7:59 AM, Ian Peter wrote:
>
>> Actually the more I look at this the more I don't think any of the
>> stakeholder groups can be absolutely dumped in one camp or another.
>> We've
>> already explored that governments are mixed - within the technical
>> community, there is a significant if less vocal group who would
>> definitely
>> seek change to varying degrees. (Robert Kahn, co-founder of TCP/IP
>> would be
>> one of the voices here, as would be Louis Pouzin, the great European
>> Internet pioneer and inventor of datagrams).
>>
>> Within private sector, there would certainly be groups who would
>> like to see
>> internet governance changed in various ways and who would not be
>> happy with
>> the status quo. This would certainly include a lot of the innovative
>> companies.
>>
>> And within civil society, while most of us would see the need for
>> some
>> change, the degree and nature of change we would seek differs
>> greatly.
>>
>> So our allies in seeking change are likely to be everywhere, and
>> will differ
>> depending on the specific issue we are addressing. I think that's
>> where
>> multi-stakeholder is quite intriguing.
>>
>> Ian Peter
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>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jeremy Malcolm [mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org]
>> > Sent: 04 December 2008 12:39
>> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Nitin Desai's two groups
>> >
>> > On 04/12/2008, at 5:47 AM, Ian Peter wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>  I too though Desai's quote was excellent - but I do interpret it
>> >>  a bit
>> >>  differently, in that governments as I see it sit in the second
>> >>  group
>> >>  who
>> >>  want more say and/or more power. That's an interesting dynamic.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Well, it's both IMHO; largely southern governments such as Brazil
>> > and
>> > China, so yes we do have some interesting bedfellows. That leaves
>> > in
>> > the first group the technical community, private sector and the US
>> > and
>> > its close allies.All of this was obvious to us from (even before)
>> > Athens, but I don't think Desai has come out and acknowledged it
>> > until
>> > now.
>> >
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