[governance] Taking down a site [was: beijing ticket scam]
Rui Correia
correia.rui at gmail.com
Tue Aug 5 15:55:46 EDT 2008
Hi Ian Peter
Taking it up from your point about take-downs not being automatic
without validation, perhaps you or others can shed some light on a
parallel issue.
In the past few days, I've come across two racist websites, full of
hate speech, but not directly inciting racial hatred.
Any idea where I can report these sites? Someone at international
level or at national level in South Africa?
On 04/08/2008, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
> Thanks John. The site is now down, but I am interested in the process, as
> this was a known scam since last March and was linked to via Forbes, MSNBC,
> among others until they found out (somehow). And was live until a few hours
> ago. That's a pretty healthy long life for such a site.
>
> So am I to understand that the response in this case is purely an industry
> self regulation one (via MAAWG and/or APWG). I have no problem with industry
> self-regulation per se, but is there no legal loop, no ICANN loop, or do
> police and/or Interpol complain to MAAWG or APWG (either?). Or is that
> optional?
>
>
> I see your point that takedowns can't be automatic without some validation.
> But as you say, this would be an excellent area for some governance
> guidelines!
>
>
>
>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Levine [mailto:icggov at johnlevine.com]
> > Sent: 04 August 2008 23:42
> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Cc: ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> > Subject: Re: [governance] beijing ticket scam - is this governed at all?
> >
> > >Very interested in analysis of why this is so when it is a known
> > >major fraud site that has victims in many countries. Is there any
> > >mechanism to stop major international scams?
> >
>
> > Sort of, keeping in mind that this particular example is a minor scam,
> > not a major one.
> >
> > There are probably several dozen scam sites like that set up every
> > day. There are two interrelated problems -- one is that it's common
> > for the registrar to be in one country, the web site in a second, and
> > the mail servers sending promotional spam to be in yet a third through
> > 50th. The other is that there's a great deal of finger pointing. Is
> > the responsible party the registrar, eNom in this case? The hosting
> > company where the web site is located, Servepath? The office-in-a-box
> > in Arizona that's listed as their address? All of the above? MAAWG
> > and the APWG have been working on setting up semi-formal contact
> > systems to get registrars and hosters to take down bogus sites, but
> > they can't just do a takedown on every random complaint, or else they
> > get grief like Godaddy for turning off legitimate sites who have
> > annoyed someone.
> >
> > This would be an excellent area for some governance guidelines. Too
> > bad we're too busy deciding what font the ballots should be printed
> > in.
> >
> > R's,
> > John
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