[governance] beijing ticket scam - is this governed at all?

[Paul Wilson]

Ian,

Surely this is not a case for industry self-regulation - unless you are a 
champion of the citizen's arrest?

Is it not a regular policing matter?  After all, scams have been going on 
for years, between and across boundaries, even without the aid of the 
Internet.  The first "Nigerian" scam I received came in an envelope on 
airmail paper, after all.

The old Bill has the experience and powers to deal with these, though yes 
as we all know, they can be rather slow...

Paul.


--On 5 August 2008 5:33:40 AM +1000 Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> 
wrote:

> Thanks John. The site is now down, but I am interested in the process, as
> this was a known scam since last March and was linked to via Forbes,
> MSNBC, among others until they found out (somehow). And was live until a
> few hours ago. That's a pretty healthy long life for such a site.
>
> So am I to understand that the response in this case is purely an industry
> self regulation one (via MAAWG and/or APWG). I have no problem with
> industry self-regulation per se, but is there no legal loop, no ICANN
> loop, or do police and/or Interpol complain to MAAWG or APWG (either?).
> Or is that optional?
>
>
> I see your point that takedowns can't be automatic without some
> validation. But as you say, this would be an excellent area for some
> governance guidelines!
>
>
>
> Ian Peter
> Ian Peter and Associates Pty Ltd
> PO Box 10670 Adelaide St  Brisbane 4000
> Australia
> Tel (+614) 1966 7772 or (+612) 6687 0773
> www.ianpeter.com
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Levine [mailto:icggov at johnlevine.com]
>> Sent: 04 August 2008 23:42
>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> Cc: ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>> Subject: Re: [governance] beijing ticket scam - is this governed at all?
>>
>> > Very interested in analysis of why this is so when it is a known
>> > major fraud site that has victims in many countries. Is there any
>> > mechanism to stop major international scams?
>>
>> Sort of, keeping in mind that this particular example is a minor scam,
>> not a major one.
>>
>> There are probably several dozen scam sites like that set up every
>> day.  There are two interrelated problems -- one is that it's common
>> for the registrar to be in one country, the web site in a second, and
>> the mail servers sending promotional spam to be in yet a third through
>> 50th.  The other is that there's a great deal of finger pointing.  Is
>> the responsible party the registrar, eNom in this case?  The hosting
>> company where the web site is located, Servepath?  The office-in-a-box
>> in Arizona that's listed as their address?  All of the above?  MAAWG
>> and the APWG have been working on setting up semi-formal contact
>> systems to get registrars and hosters to take down bogus sites, but
>> they can't just do a takedown on every random complaint, or else they
>> get grief like Godaddy for turning off legitimate sites who have
>> annoyed someone.
>>
>> This would be an excellent area for some governance guidelines.  Too
>> bad we're too busy deciding what font the ballots should be printed
>> in.
>>
>> R's,
>> John
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