[governance] coordinator elections

[Parminder]

> I think we a re making things more complicated than they need to be.

I agree. I have been made to spend many times more time on this than I
needed to. Thanks.

> Anyone subscribed to the list who wishes to be a member should write
> to the coordinator (or person coordinating membership) and say they
> wish to be a member, that they have read the charter and subscribe to
> it.  Parminder, you could write to the list asking people to do just
> that. Perhaps do it a couple of times over the next few weeks.

I proposed an easier option, knowing that we have less than fully energetic
membership. I will write to all and let them reply by cut pasting a line of
affirmation of the charter and accepting membership. 

> I see no need to ask people who have voting rights (i.e. all who had
> the right to vote in the last election we held, was it for the
> appeals team?) to reaffirm membership.  If they are still subscribed
> to the list they are still members.

The last voting was for coordinators. We have a list of voters, but the
charter subscription question was not asked, so the membership is not being
'reaffirmed'. And I see no harm in sending the email to every person on the
IGC list so that we have a complete list of members, with clearly
ascertained basic criterion for membership. After all they are only a small
part of the whole list that I will sending email to.

Parminder  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Peake [mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp]
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:33 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: RE: [governance] coordinator elections
> 
> >Avri
> >
> >>  i see no problem with including a statement about supporting the
> >>  charter in the ballot as well as self describing as CS.  is this all
> >>  you were asking for.  i misunderstood.  i thought you wanted some sort
> >>  of prior assertion of support for the charter as a prerequisite for
> >>  receiving a ballot. whereas i think that the act of filling out the
> >>  ballot is the assertion and the words included on the ballot are just
> >>  a reminder of what it means to vote; ie. that you are CS and support
> >>  the charter of the IGC..
> >
> >Also to clarify I don't interpret the intention of the charter to mean
> that
> >
> >
> >" the act of filling out the
> >>  ballot is the assertion and the words included on the ballot are just
> >>  a reminder of what it means to vote"
> 
> 
> You are right about what the charter says, but I believe Avri is
> correct in quoting the text from the poll used when we voted on the
> charter and so created the caucus.
> 
> I am pretty sure I was one of the people (three?) who voted against
> the charter.  But I considered the act of voting a commitment to the
> IGC and my membership of it. By voting I was agreeing to abide by the
> majority decision. This is common (unless the vote part of a GNSO
> policy development process ... :- )
> 
> I subscribe to the charter, but that does not mean I support it 100%.
> I know that as a member I have the right to try and amend the charter
> (Meryem, that's your point, right.  Of course you can be a member and
> want to change some aspect of an organization, your membership shows
> a willingness to follow the "rules" until such time as you can affect
> the change you want.  In good faith  etc  etc... and I'm not
> suggesting you have bad faith :-) )
> 
> If I want to stop being a member I can write to a coordinator, or to
> the list (as Veni did) and say I am no longer a member.  Or I could
> simply unsubscribe from the list (but subscribing to the list does
> not = membership of the caucus.)  I consider myself to be a member
> until I decide otherwise, or I do something so foul that the
> membership finds a way to kick me out.
> 
> I see no need to ask people who have voting rights (i.e. all who had
> the right to vote in the last election we held, was it for the
> appeals team?) to reaffirm membership.  If they are still subscribed
> to the list they are still members.
> 
> Anyone subscribed to the list who wishes to be a member should write
> to the coordinator (or person coordinating membership) and say they
> wish to be a member, that they have read the charter and subscribe to
> it.  Parminder, you could write to the list asking people to do just
> that. Perhaps do it a couple of times over the next few weeks.
> 
> Anyone who has been subscribed for more than two months before the
> date the election process begins gets to vote.  (And please, let's
> not start the election process until after the next consultation, say
> around May 25, so people who responded to the membership call can
> participate.)
> 
> I think we a re making things more complicated than they need to be.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> >Charter says
> >
> >"As part of the voting process the voter must personally ascertain that
> they
> >are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere
> in
> >this charter..."
> >
> >I mean 'voter must personally ascertain' to mean clearly and positively
> >ascertain and not by a roundabout implication.
> >
> >And instead of submitting 'I do ascertain that I am a member of the IGC
> >based on membership criteria mentioned (elsewhere) in the charter'
> >
> >It is much more straightforward to ask for the statement (made easy to do
> by
> >just copy pasting)
> >
> >'I do ascertain that I have read the charter at .... and subscribe to it'
> >
> >Since the charter mentions such subscription as the only substantive
> >criterion of membership.
> >
> >This has to be done as a part of the voting process. Now, as I said,
> whether
> >voting process is one step or two, is matter of practicality. I am unable
> to
> >believe that we have arguing so long for this bit.... wherein couple of
> >suggestions that I work within the charter, and that I am trying to ram
> in
> >my views came in.
> >
> >What is it really that we are disputing so hard????
> >
> >Parminder
> >
> >
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