[governance] NTIA announcement on JPA

[Ian Peter]

Bill asked

> Hi Ian,
> 
> Sure, but means what, just secede?  Have John Perry Barlow write another
> declaration of independence?  The last one worked out so well....
> 
> Given the politics and legalities, what's a plausible scenario?

Well here s a few thoughts to get the ball rolling

1. Sign another parallel (for a short time) agreement with an international
body eg UN (maybe via IGF) for a similar oversight function
2. Relocate HQ to another country
3. Raise with its constituencies and actively promote an argument to be
declared an international organisation
4. Gradually and subtly transfer its powers to a related organisation that
is international and then gradually drop the old one.
5. Give some thought to the matter for a start
6. Believe that independence from USG oversight really is fundamental to
gaining international credibility and legitimacy
7. Believe that it is important to do something

I'll leave it to the Bill of Rights Dynamic Coalition to come up with the
Declaration of Independence


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch]
> Sent: 03 April 2008 18:01
> To: Ian Peter; Governance
> Subject: Re: [governance] NTIA announcement on JPA
> 
> Hi Ian,
> 
> Sure, but means what, just secede?  Have John Perry Barlow write another
> declaration of independence?  The last one worked out so well....
> 
> Given the politics and legalities, what's a plausible scenario?
> 
> Best
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> On 4/3/08 8:47 AM, "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
> 
> > My assumption is that if ICANN wants to be an international body, it has
> to
> > make itself one. Not rely on USG to do it, who have no such interest.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ian Peter
> > Ian Peter and Associates Pty Ltd
> > PO Box 10670 Adelaide St  Brisbane 4000
> > Australia
> > Tel (+614) 1966 7772 or (+612) 6687 0773
> > www.ianpeter.com
> > www.internetmark2.org
> > www.nethistory.info
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch]
> >> Sent: 03 April 2008 17:02
> >> To: Mueller, Milton; Governance
> >> Subject: Re: [governance] NTIA announcement on JPA
> >>
> >> Hi Milton,
> >>
> >> Agree with most of your post, but one comment.
> >>
> >> On 4/3/08 5:25 AM, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The answer should be obvious: NTIA is not looking for information
> about
> >> what
> >>> needs to be done, but seeking confirmation of its prior tendency to do
> >>> nothing. Government agencies, in the absence of strong leadership from
> >> their
> >>> political superiors, are lazy and prone to inertia. NTIA is not going
> to
> >> take
> >>> any initiatives on its own and clearly the lame-duck Bush Presidency
> has
> >> no
> >>> vision or plan in this area. The US is reasonably comfortable with the
> >> status
> >>> quo and won't move until someone makes them very uncomfortable.
> >>
> >> Saying the problem is laziness is equivalent to the standard practice
> of
> >> attributing failed international negotiations to a lack of "political
> >> will."
> >> There are of course structural forces at work that constrain the space
> for
> >> movement.  The US has a strong society and an institutionally weak
> state
> >> (save in the military sphere).  NTIA's Office of International Affairs
> is
> >> just nine mostly mid-level people (all of them women, coincidentally),
> 3
> >> of
> >> whom have any involvement in ICANN matters.  They work for a Commerce
> Sec.
> >> and administration committed to the Alfred E. Neuman school of economic
> >> policymaking, and are down the street from a multiplicity of massive
> >> companies, industry associations and government agencies, plus think
> tanks
> >> and CSOs, all of whom oppose sharing sovereignty.  You know all this,
> so
> >> why
> >> dump on "lazy bureaucrats"?  You can't really believe that if NTIA
> >> staffers
> >> just pulled up their socks and sat up straighter they could tell all
> the
> >> assembled forces for the status quo, sorry, suck it up, ICANN goes free
> >> into
> >> the wild because we think it's a good idea that might make IGP and some
> >> non-voters in distant lands happy?
> >>
> >>> community and even ICANN itself is clearly unhappy with its role, and
> >> anyone
> >>> with half a brain knows that it is not a austainable position in the
> >> long
> >>> term.
> >>
> >> In the long run we're all dead, so that's not much comfort.  Prior to
> >> that,
> >> I've got fifty bucks that says the next administration won't change
> >> anything, at least not in its first term.  Who'd want to throw read
> meat
> >> to
> >> right wing blogosphere etc before the 2012 election?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>
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