[governance] Africa: Mobiles for the 'World's Poorest'

Wed Sep 19 10:40:03 EDT 2007

Aaron,

I think that David's earlier reply to you was much better than any reply
that I can think of forumulating.

Best,

MG

-----Original Message-----
From: Nyangkwe Agien Aaron [mailto:nyangkweagien at gmail.com] 
Sent: September 19, 2007 2:13 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; David Goldstein
Subject: Re: [governance] Africa: Mobiles for the 'World's Poorest'

Michael

All that I know, but we have had at tims to engage on debates hovering
over human rights issues on this forum. Those rights did not necessarily
had something to do with Internet governance. Furthemore, your discuss
that brought about our xchanges covered areas that went beyond IG
business. I cannot understand some on's ir on that.

Aaron

On 9/19/07, David Goldstein <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Aaron,
>
> What Michael means is this list is for certain issues, and these are:
> "...a) public discussion of Internet governance issues, and b) 
> coordination of the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC).  The IGC 
> comprises individuals who came together in the context of the World 
> Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) to promote global public 
> interest objectives in Internet governance policy making.
>
> The IGC's charter and further information can be found at:
http://www.igcaucus.org/"
>
> From http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
>
> So the issue is is this discussion off-topic? And he's probably right.

> Not every discussion can take place on every list.
>
> David
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 September, 2007 6:39:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [governance] Africa: Mobiles for the 'World's Poorest'
>
> That appears a more subtle but very dangrous way of blocking debate in

> an open society on a free open source like this forum. May I  
> understand. Michael to mean that there is a Soviet Union Police on 
> this forum?
>
> Aaron
>
> On 9/18/07, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Without getting into the other aspects of your note below, David 
> > (should we really be discussing those more general issues here), I 
> > think the most pertinent question for this list and overall for CS 
> > in the context of the IGF is whether Corporate Social Responsibility

> > and those involved in this should rightly be included within CS 
> > (from a stakeholder
> > perspective) or within the Corporate/private sector grouping...
> >
> > My understanding in fact is that many of those active in the private

> > sector grouping around the IGF see this as an element of their 
> > overall CSR activities/responsibilities so including them within the

> > CS aspect would surely be redundant and inappropriate.
> >
> > MG
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Goldstein [mailto:goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au]
> > Sent: September 18, 2007 3:04 AM
> > To: Nyangkwe Agien Aaron; governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Subject: Re: [governance] Africa: Mobiles for the 'World's Poorest'
> >
> >
> > It's fine if you're not bothered Aaron. And the fact is, whether we 
> > like it or not, it is a capitalist world. And the involvement of 
> > corporations is important in addressing humanitarian issues and 
> > those that involve assisting development of either less developed 
> > countries or people in need of assistance (for want of a better 
> > description), whether they have a disability or homeless or poor.
> >
> > Corporate involvement in all of these issues will continue to grow. 
> > Corporates are pressured to get involved. It's called CORPORATE 
> > SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. And if you are a mobile phone company, for 
> > example, it's most likely part of your involvement will involve what

> > you are good at.
> >
> > You may not like capitalism. But it's the way of the world. There is

> > no socialist country. And CSR is going to become more and more 
> > popular in both developed countries and less developed countries.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>
> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; David Goldstein 
> > <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au>
> > Sent: Tuesday, 18 September, 2007 7:56:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [governance] Africa: Mobiles for the 'World's Poorest'
> >
> > David
> >
> > In an extremely capitalist world, coiled in some sort of 
> > globalisation, where you have a few amassing all the wealth to the 
> > detriment of the many, the modus vivendi is for the capitalist to 
> > look for ways of perpetuating their cause. The said article which I 
> > am still to read is in that line. the act of giving say 10000 
> > telephones is known in marketing as cause marketing meaning th ownrs

> > of th product want toi driv this product into the heart of the 
> > impoverished consumers. I am not bothered
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> > On 9/18/07, David Goldstein <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Another article on mobile phones in Africa. I disagree they are 
> > > ads for the mobile phone industry, but everyone has their opinion.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > David
> > >
> > > Africa: Mobiles for the 'World's Poorest'
> > > Nearly half a million people, described by the UN as "the poorest 
> > > of the poor", will soon be able to make mobile calls.
> > >
> > > As part of a UN programme to tackle poverty in rural Africa, 79 
> > > villages across 10 African countries will be hooked up to cellular

> > > networks.
> > >
> > > It is hoped that the connections will help improve healthcare and 
> > > education, as well as boosting the local economy. 
> > > http://arushatimes.co.tz/society_3.htm
> > > http://allafrica.com/stories/200709170360.html
> > >
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