[governance] Reinstate the Vote

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Milton L Mueller [21/11/07 14:44 -0500]:
>Thanks for the echo, that is precisely what I implied. My point was that
>you need a broader accountability than merely open comments. _Your_
>point is....?

My point is that you are not going to get your way imposed on a process
merely by churning out slanted comments.

>>* So, who do you give oversight over ICANN?  
>
>The global Internet-using public. 

So read my next email for why that is a pipe dream. Or translates into
something rather different from that high sounding ideal.

>Oh yes, I believe that we will eventually. But even if that goal is not
>achieved, it is worthwhile to keep the pressure on it so that the
>authority is not abused any more than it has been. 

Funnily enough DoC has been largely hands off on ICANN.

>Highly revelatory. You've been criticizing IGP papers on this topic but
>now I can tell you haven't read any of them. We have consistently
>proposed making ICANN accountable to the global public, and not to the

I know what you have proposed. I didnt say IGF was proposing this at all.

I am telling you the two alternatives that will emerge .. if you hand a
process over to "the general public" you either have

* Civil society groups claiming to represent the general public - or
various sections of it.

or

* Governments, and intergovernmental organizations such as the UN, that
are, in the end analysis, voted into power by the general public (e&oe
places where tinpot dictators sieze power from the elected government, or
where there is one party rule with rubber stamp "elections" etc etc - but
the vast majority of the world has democratically elected governments)

>UN or any other intergovernmental agency. We have proposed
>de-nationalization, not multi-lateralization. 

Pipe dream. Please do tell me what you have been smoking so far to churn
out these "papers", I do wish to avoid it.

	srs
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