PPIGD proven - Was RE: Alternative DNS systems and net neutrality - Was: Re: [governance] DNSsec and allternative DNS system

[Meryem Marzouki]

the current discussion didn't start on IG in general.

Le 16 nov. 07 à 16:45, Ian Peter a écrit :

> ICANN = Internet Governance??
>
> Ian Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meryem Marzouki [mailto:marzouki at ras.eu.org]
> Sent: 17 November 2007 02:42
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: Re: PPIGD proven - Was RE: Alternative DNS systems and net
> neutrality - Was: Re: [governance] DNSsec and allternative DNS system
>
> We rather have a tautology here: "100% of discussions on alternatives
> to ICANN are discussions about ICANN".
> Meryem
>
> Le 16 nov. 07 à 16:24, Ian Peter a écrit :
>
>> Well, its now proven true, after being tested in many forums at Rio
>> and also
>> on this list, and I can now announce that the Peter Principle of
>> Internet
>> Governance Discussions has been fully tested and proven.
>>
>> The Peter Principle of Internet Governance Discussions states....
>>
>> As any discussion around Internet governance grows longer, the
>> probability
>> of it drifting into a discussion about ICANN approaches one.
>>
>> With thanks to Godwin's law for the formulation!
>>
>>
>> Ian Peter
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Veni Markovski [mailto:veni at veni.com]
>> Sent: 17 November 2007 02:12
>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Meryem Marzouki
>> Subject: Re: Alternative DNS systems and net neutrality - Was: Re:
>> [governance] DNSsec and allternative DNS system
>>
>> At 15:48 11/16/2007  +0100, you wrote:
>>> "let's save user's interests"?! Funny.. Second, why do you think  
>>> many
>>
>> I can advise you reading Joi's thoughts on that:
>> http://joi.ito.com/archives/2007/11/12/three_years_with_icann.html
>> "The other problem is that most of the people who are affected by the
>> decisions, the average users, don't know or care about ICANN. Trying
>> to figure out an better way to get their input has always been an
>> issue, but is one that is not unique for ICANN. All of politics and
>> collective action share the difficulty in getting the public to care
>> about issues that affect them." And there are many like this. You
>> can't force your ideas (neither can I do with mine) on the 1 billion
>> Internet users, and make them care about their representation at the
>> global level. People in my country don't really care about ICANN;
>> they stopped caring even about the ccTLD administrator after the
>> implementation of prices 6 times higher than the ones existing in
>> 2000. So, why do you think the users' interests should be focused on
>> domains and IP addresses? I agree - let's have a discussion, but let
>> us not try to define what the discussion should be about, but discuss
>> everything, equal time for everything.
>>
>>> governments are not happy with current situation? And there are
>>
>> Could you define what you mean by happiness of a government?
>>
>>> Who's saying this is only for the sake of the discussion, apart from
>>> those who don't want this discussion opened?
>>
>> I don't think there are people here who don't want a discussion open.
>> But I also think there are people who would like to keep the
>> discussion going on for quite a while, without any results. And I can
>> talk about this freely, as I was part of the small governmental
>> working group, which reached to the solution just before the first
>> WSIS in Geneva. I don't recall anyone else from our IG list there.
>> And I know what I saw, what I heard, and what happened afterwards.
>> So, when you say there are people who don't have a discussion opened,
>> I am not sure who you have in mind. I know who are the ones who
>> wanted the discussion.
>>
>> Veni
>>
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