[governance] igc@ igf

Wed May 23 12:02:12 EDT 2007

As McTim mentions, the IGC isn't just the fortunate few who can  
travel to and made all the numerous meetings. There are many of us  
who can't make it meeting, but are involved and would like to be  
consulted.

Consultations can be done online and quickly with virtual members of  
the caucus. If anything, an attempt should be made. For example, an  
email could have been sent to the list that  a certain issue came up  
and requires an urgent action and/or a decision.

Likely a few of us were online, as such could have responded and/or  
commented. Saying that "well you weren't here", for me - doesn't cut it.

If anything, as the caucus does call for greater transparency and  
openness - then we should practice what we preach to ICANN and others..

regards,

Robert
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Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org>
Managing Director, Privaterra
Tel +1 416 893 0377

On 23-May-07, at 11:26 AM, William Drake wrote:

> Hi McTim,
>
> You are referring to the procedural modalities statement that  
> Parminder
> made, which was approved by the 17 people here.  This did in fact  
> "require a
> very quick response" if the caucus was going to have anything to  
> say on the
> topic in time for it to matter, since it was one of the main things  
> being
> discussed in the room.  But more importantly, the statement almost  
> entirely
> comprised positions lifted directly from the document drafted by  
> Vittorio
> and adopted by the caucus on the list prior to the February  
> consultation.
> The latter was never delivered to the secretariat and hence not  
> posted on
> the IGF site, but Vittorio read it out at the time, and essentially  
> what P
> did was to read the relevant bits again, wrapped in more verbiage.   
> I don't
> really understand how his stating positions that were adopted by  
> the full
> caucus online in February and never challenged since and that were  
> then
> adopted by the 17 people at the meeting here could be inappropriate.
>
> What bits do you find objectionable, BTW?
>
> Best,
>
> BD
>
>
> On 5/23/07 5:13 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> On 5/23/07, William Drake <drake at hei.unige.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>
>>>>> Normally, whenever there is sufficient time for a statement to be
>>>>> discussed and approved by the caucus as a whole, the decision
>>>>> procedure outlined above will be required. However, there will be
>>>>> occasions when members of the caucus will be attending meetings  
>>>>> and
>>>>> will be presented with the opportunity to make statements that
>>>>> require a very quick response.
>>
>> I don't think this qualifies as an "opportunity to make statements
>> that  require a very quick response."
>>
>> I think that it should have been discussed and agreed beforehand.
>>
>> I think it was a short-circuit of our agreed process, and object
>> strongly to it's inclusion.
>>
>> It says to the caucus that if you attend a meeting, you can insert
>> language that you want included, as long as it fits under #5 below.
>>
>> I also don't think it passes criteria #2, if it did, we would have
>> explicitly mentioned/included it in our statement.
>>
>> /McTim
>>
>> In these cases, while it is still
>>>>> required that the caucus be informed of an upcoming statement  
>>>>> and  its
>>>>> contents as soon as possible the following rule may be applied   
>>>>> when
>>>>> necessary:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1.
>>>>>
>>>>>       The coordinators will act as the official representatives of
>>>>> the caucus and will be responsible for approving any statement  
>>>>> that
>>>>> cannot be discussed by the caucus within the time available.
>>>>>    2.
>>>>>
>>>>>       In the case of face-to-face meetings, they will also   
>>>>> coordinate
>>>>> with the members of the IGC who are present. Any  statement should
>>>>> reflect the assumed general thinking of the  caucus, rather  
>>>>> than just
>>>>> that of those members who are physically  present at the meeting.
>>>>>    3.
>>>>>
>>>>>       If neither of the IGC coordinators can be physically  
>>>>> present  in
>>>>> face-to-face meetings, they will delegate coordination to  another
>>>>> participant of such events. This delegation should, if   
>>>>> possible, be
>>>>> made before the meeting and with the advice of the  caucus.
>>>>>    4.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Statements and positions on behalf of the caucus will be
>>>>> prepared and coordinated by the coordinators, or their delegate as
>>>>> appropriate.
>>>>>    5.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Such statements will reflect the vision, objectives and  
>>>>> basic
>>>>> principles of Civil Society in general, and the IGC in particular.
>>>>> Such statements will try to interpret, in good faith, the assumed
>>>>> general thinking of the caucus, based on past discussions and
>>>>> documents, and should not contradict the positions taken by the
>>>>> caucus in the past.
>>>>>    6.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Such statements will be sent to the IGC as soon as possible,
>>>>> preferably before being presented, but if that is impossible,  
>>>>> then  as
>>>>> soon after their presentation as possible.
>>>>>
>
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>   Revolution and Global Governance/PSIO
>   Graduate Institute for International Studies
>   Geneva, Switzerland
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