[governance] ICANN RFC on its performance

[Guru@ITfC]

Veni,

"The feelings that some people might have about ICANN could be the driving
force behind their actions, but should they?" 

Is your support for icann and its efforts completely devoid of the feelings
you have about it? How can it be? People will also base their communications
on their feelings about anything. Feelings are themselves likely to be a
result of assimilated learnings and experiences. Unless you are saying that
some people are the custodians of 'objective facts' and work on the basis of
that only, while others act only on their feelings.

Also while I do agree with you that 'positive comments provide energies for
others to take action', negative comments also have their place. If I see
something wrong happening, I don't see why I should always sugar coat my
response. In this light, always offering your postive experiences in
Bulgaria, (which I am sure is highly commendable work) to every critical
comment is not meaningful ! 

The more important point is how the person is receiving the feedback. A
person with an open mind would be willing to explore very negative feedback
as well and benefit from it. A closed mind will resent negative feedback,
but then feedback to a closed mind is also quite useless!

Guru

-----Original Message-----
From: Veni Markovski [mailto:veni at veni.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 5:44 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Norbert Bollow; kierenmccarthy at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [governance] ICANN RFC on its performance

At 13:42 5/13/2007  +0200, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>Kieren McCarthy <kierenmccarthy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > However, if anyone does wish to provide useful feedback to ICANN's 
> > performance, the RFC is there. I hope I have flagged it up 
> > sufficiently and made it clear that there is a clear route from 
> > comment to consideration within ICANN.
>
>That is not good enough.  There also needs to be accountability in the 
>consideration itself, not only in the route from comment to 
>consideration.

Norbert,
if you can phrase this positively, that could be a contribution. On the
other hand, when someone makes a proposal, and it is not accepted, the
natural thing is to feel the process is not right. Let me give you an
example, also from history, but with some current moments.
I've had such experience on a number of occasions, when trying to suggest
changes in the laws, passed by the Bulgarian Parliament - esp. in 1999,
2000. However, I didn't give up, and I didn't take the pose of an insulted
by the members of the Parliament guy. I kept on trying, and in 2001 we
started the changes in the Telecommunications laws, we implemented computer
crime chapter in the Penal Code, and we made it possible that the current
government of Bulgaria created a special body - State Agency for IT and
Communications to the Council of Ministers, to deal with all issues, related
to development of Information Society.
Could we have done something differently? Yes, we could have continued
bashing the government, and keep on saying, "didn't we warn you?"
Instead, we worked with governments, with members of Parliament, with
non-profits. We got the prime minister to join ISOC, and we also did that
with the President. We changed everything, and we succeeded. 
Were we unhappy when we couldn't do something? Of course. Did we pose like
insulted? No. We kept on trying, and we found more and more ways to
influence the policy making of a whole country. (oh, and by the way, that
didn't stop us from being the organizers of the Bulgarian editions of the
Big Brother Awards).

You are not happy with the way Kieren responded to Guru, and with what you
say was not a good response from ICANN to Karl's message. 
Well... let's put it this way: with all the work ICANN has been doing since
Karl is not on the board, it has actually addressed if not all, then at
least most, or some, of his concerns. There are many facts to prove this.
Just read what he said to the US Senate, and then see where ICANN was, while
he was on the Board, and where it is now. It's not 2002 today, and ICANN is
not the same organization. The feelings that some people might have about
ICANN could be the driving force behind their actions, but should they?

veni 

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