[governance] IGC statement to IGF MAG

Parminder parminder at itforchange.net
Fri May 11 05:21:10 EDT 2007 


I am very sorry, I correct myself on 

> We are taking opinions on the IGC input

We ARE NOT taking opinions as much as a clear YES or NO... opinions can
however accompany a clear yes or no (in fact they are welcome).

This is still not the voting stage, but only a consensus gathering one
(hopefully you wont have to repeat your yes and no)

Parminder 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 2:39 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: RE: [governance] IGC statement to IGF MAG
> 
> 
> We are taking opinions on the IGC input doc to the IGF consultations on
> the
> 22nd this, which I am again enclosing for those who may have missed it. I
> think we need at least a couple of more voices to decide either way.
> 
> Also members may comment on whether the header 2 in the list of issues in
> the enclosed doc, which stands as ' ICANN and Core Internet Resources' be
> made either
> 
> "Core Internet Resources and current governance institutions"
> 
> or "Core Internet Resources and their current governance institutions".
> 
> We propose to keep this call open till midnight GMT. And post results
> tomorrow.
> 
> Parminder
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________
> Parminder Jeet Singh
> IT for Change, Bangalore
> Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
> Tel: (+91-80) 2665 4134, 2653 6890
> Fax: (+91-80) 4146 1055
> www.ITforChange.net
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mawaki Chango [mailto:ki_chango at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:58 AM
> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Parminder
> > Subject: RE: [governance] IGC statement to IGF MAG - Yea
> >
> > Parminder, I appreciated you acknowledging my suggestion, and my
> > apologies to all the members who discussed the text if I didn't
> > bring it up ealier (haven't been able to keep up with this list
> > lately.)
> >
> > Other than that, I didn't mean to question whether or not it
> > should be permitted to discuss ICANN at the IGF: not only we've
> > been there before, too many times in my view, but I just don't
> > see how one could expect a contructive collaboration in open
> > processes such as these, by starting to forbid any topic from
> > discussion. At best, we can only discuss what are the best
> > strategies to adopt in accommodating various constituencies'
> > concerns without hindering the overarching goals of the causus.
> >
> > Mawaki
> >
> > --- Parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > >Sorry, Mawaki, I just sent out the consensus call before I
> > > downloaded
> > > > your
> > > > >email...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Then you should have downloaded your email before
> > > > sending.
> > >
> > > Adam, you are being un-necessarily harsh on me...
> > >
> > > Well, thats how I have set my mail server, It doesn’t download
> > > emails
> > > automatically because it interferes in my work. So when I
> > > wrote the email
> > > with the consensus call, well after the declared timeline, and
> > > after giving
> > > a 2 hour notice, and clicked on send/receive, I got the Mawaki
> > > email... So,
> > > that being that, you need not tell me how shd I set my email
> > > client...
> > >
> > > But the point is - lets say I had seen Mawaki's email before I
> > > sent the
> > > consensus call, do you recommend that for a text which has
> > > been under
> > > discussion for many days, and many had contributed to it, I
> > > change as
> > > important a part of it as a heading because an email arrives
> > > minutes before
> > > the doc is sent out for consensus call.... will it be fair to
> > > those who
> > > contributed that part, and so many others who agreed to the
> > > whole text... Or
> > > do you suggest that I hold back the consensus call because of
> > > that email...
> > > Also, pl keep in mind, that Mawaki's contribution was support
> > > to the doc
> > > plus an advise with, in my understanding, more of a strategic
> > > rather
> > > substantive implication.
> > >
> > > > Mawaki's email should be considered.
> > >
> > > Your injunction is even more uncalled for, because I did
> > > consider Mawaki's
> > > email. In the best way I could.
> > >
> > > And you could easily see that my consideration of mawaki's
> > > inputs was
> > > genuine, because I contributed to the discussion on changing
> > > the heading by
> > > adding a word to mawaki's suggestion, which any one can
> > > understand is an
> > > endorsement of the new heading... So I cant see whats your
> > > problem...
> > >
> > > > Your consensus call obviously does not represent
> > > > consensus.
> > >
> > > Consensus calls don’t represent a consensus, they put a
> > > document out for
> > > consensus. And it is left to the co-coordinators to
> > > consolidate a document
> > > which in their opinion represents the best chance of a
> > > consensus. I have
> > > done that. And I think I have followed a fair process.
> > > However, you of
> > > course have recourse to the appeals committee...
> > >
> > >
> > > Parminder
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > Parminder Jeet Singh
> > > IT for Change, Bangalore
> > > Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
> > >
> > > Tel: (+91-80) 2665 4134, 2653 6890
> > > Fax: (+91-80) 4146 1055
> > > www.ITforChange.net
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Adam Peake [mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 12:59 PM
> > > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Parminder
> > > > Subject: RE: [governance] IGC statement to IGF MAG - Yea
> > > >
> > > > >Sorry, Mawaki, I just sent out the consensus call before I
> > > downloaded
> > > > your
> > > > >email...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Then you should have downloaded your email before
> > > > sending.  Mawaki's email should be considered.
> > > > Your consensus call obviously does not represent
> > > > consensus.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >________________________________________________
> > > > >Parminder Jeet Singh
> > > > >IT for Change, Bangalore
> > > > >Bridging Development Realities and Technological
> > > Possibilities
> > > > >Tel: (+91-80) 2665 4134, 2653 6890
> > > > >Fax: (+91-80) 4146 1055
> > > > >www.ITforChange.net
> > > > >
> > > > >>  -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>  From: Mawaki Chango [mailto:ki_chango at yahoo.com]
> > > > >>  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:27 PM
> > > > >>  To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > > > >>  Subject: Re: [governance] IGC statement to IGF MAG - Yea
> > > > >>
> > > > >>  I support.
> > > > >>  I'd advise though to remove ICANN from the heading 2,
> > > but not
> > > > >>  from the text. Instead of :
> > > > >>
> > > > >>  "(2) ICANN and Core Internet Resources"
> > > > >>  we could have
> > > > >>  "(2) Core Internet Resources and current governance
> > > > >>  institutions"
> > > > >>  or a variant of that.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>  Mawaki
> > > > >>
> > > > >>  --- Carlos Afonso <ca at rits.org.br> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>  > No kiss of death -- we will protest! We will not just
> > > send the
> > > > >>  > proposal
> > > > >>  > and wait... I assume we are engaged in disseminating
> > > and
> > > > >>  > lobbying for
> > > > >>  > our positions in our constituencies (and, in some
> > > cases, with
> > > > >>  > our
> > > > >>  > governments as well). In any case, we can negotiate a
> > > word
> > > > >>  > replacement
> > > > >>  > (meaning the same, of course) later on in the actual
> > > debate.
> > > > >>  > We can
> > > > >>  > replace, for example, "ICANN" with "core resources
> > > such as the
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>  > administration/governance of names, numbers and
> > > protocols..."
> > > > >>  > :)
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>  > --c.a.
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>  > DRAKE William wrote:
> > > > >>  > > Milton Mueller wrote:
> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  > >> I fully agree with Carlos, both about delivering it
> > > now,
> > > > >>  > and about the
> > > > >>  > >> title. Thanks, Parminder for putting it together.
> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  > > Has there been a formal consensus call, and that's
> > > what
> > > > >>  > we're responding
> > > > >>  > > to here?  If so what's the time frame?
> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  > > I'm a yes on both of the above, although it occurs
> > > to me
> > > > >>  > that there was
> > > > >>  > > never any follow up discussion on Adam's argument
> > > that
> > > > >>  > framing #2 in
> > > > >>  > > terms of ICANN rather than just core resources would
> > > be the
> > > > >>  > kiss of
> > > > >>  > > death mAG-wise.  But as the clock is running down
> > > and we
> > > > >>  > have no
> > > > >>  > > alternative language to consider, I guess we'll just
> > > see how
> > > > >>  > it goes,
> > > > >>  > > assuming the proposal gets through the IGC process.
> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  > > Cheers,
> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  > > Bill
> > > > >>  > >
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> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>  > --
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>  > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > >>  > Carlos A. Afonso
> > > > >>  > diretor de planejamento
> > > > >>  > Rede de Informações para o Terceiro Setor - Rits
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