[governance] IGC statement to IGF MAG - Yea
Adam Peake
ajp at glocom.ac.jp
Thu May 10 03:27:28 EDT 2007
At 7:15 AM +0200 5/10/07, William Drake wrote:
>Lee,
>
>It's just a framing thing. Better for all the obvious reasons to have it
>discussed as 'the core resources session' rather than the 'ICANN session' a)
>in mAG and b) on the off chance it's approved, at IGF.
Yes, this is part of it. Presenting it as an
ICANN session will cause some knee jerk reaction.
ICANN's not a taboo subject (workshops have been
fine, will be fine), but we do know there are a
number of stakeholders who don't want to see
ICANN discussed directly, so mentioning in this
way is just not sensible.
>Beyond anticipating
>a gut circle the wagons response, it also is responsive to reality that no
>one institution has otherwise been the focus of a session, and would be a
>bit unusual from the perspective of diplomats and bureaucratic
>sensibilities. Imagine if UNESCO organized a conference on the ITU, or
>whatever. UNCTAD, which was set up to advise developing countries on
>international trade policy, is barely allowed to utter the words WTO
>anymore.
Yes. This is important. Further, the proposed
text does is narrow the scope of discussion from
being anything potentially under "critical
Internet resources" to the much narrower world of
ICANN, mainly gTLD policy. Which is both dull
and not particularly relevant to the overall IGF
development perspective.
RIRs would be interesting. A very good example of
responsive and open process (the example Karl
gives, ARIN also working with community groups,
particularly muni-wifi networks, to help them
with IPv6 allocations.)
"ICANN's status as an international
organization", in IGF setting, frankly, who
cares? Anyone who doesn't like this issue, will
have a strong argument to say "enhanced
cooperation" not under remit of IGF (as was clear
at the February consultation.) And
"representation of various constituencies and
stakeholders, and the changing role of the GAC
within ICANN should be discussed." What can we
say here, ICANN is more inclusive of all
stakeholders (except government?) than any other
IG organization, are we suggesting ICANN as a
model others should follow?
It's a shame the proposal couldn't just have been
left as a broad call to discuss critical Internet
resources. As written it's too narrow to be of
much interest.
Thanks,
Adam
>Let's make life easier for those responsible for balancing
>interests etc. and frame in terms of issues rather than particular
>institutions.
>
>BD
>
>On 5/10/07 5:15 AM, "Lee McKnight" <LMcKnigh at syr.edu> wrote:
>
>> If you push a bit further you can muddy the distinction altogether between
>> 'Internet public policy issues' broadly which is being discussed in one
>> proposed plenary session and 'ICANN and Core Internet resources' which seems
>> to capture nicely both the specific (ICANN) and the range of institutions,
>> some of whom do a fine job without half the grief ICANN gives and gets.
>>
>> So methinks thou doth protest too much, and want to hide the tree in the
>> forest.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>> Prof. Lee W. McKnight
>> School of Information Studies
>> Syracuse University
>> +1-315-443-6891office
>> +1-315-278-4392 mobile
>>
>>>>> Mawaki Chango <ki_chango at yahoo.com> 5/9/2007 10:48 PM >>>
>> Lee,
>> it's not at all being afraid of anything. if you read that
>> section, ICANN is mentioned several times, but also the RIRs
>> which are different legal entities and have their own processes.
>> And if you push a little bit further, you may even fit in
>> (between the lines, of course) WIPO which implements a major
>> ICANN-related/initiated policy regarding core Internet
>> resources. So I thought ICANN shouldn't be the tree that hides
>> the forest.
>>
>> Mawaki
>>
>>
>> --- Lee McKnight <LMcKnigh at syr.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I support the text as is, and the titles as they are - I still
>>> don;t get why we're afraid to say 'ICANN' in public.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>> Prof. Lee W. McKnight
>>> School of Information Studies
>>> Syracuse University
> >> +1-315-443-6891office
>>> +1-315-278-4392 mobile
>>>
>>>>>> jeanette at wzb.eu 5/9/2007 1:38 PM >>>
>>> I support the text and Mawaki's suggestion regarding the
>>> header of no 2.
>>>
>>> jeanette
>>>
>>> Mawaki Chango wrote:
>>>> I support.
>>>> I'd advise though to remove ICANN from the heading 2, but
>>> not
>>>> from the text. Instead of :
>>>>
>>>> "(2) ICANN and Core Internet Resources"
>>>> we could have
>>>> "(2) Core Internet Resources and current governance
>>>> institutions"
>>>> or a variant of that.
>>>>
>>>> Mawaki
>>>>
>>>> --- Carlos Afonso <ca at rits.org.br> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No kiss of death -- we will protest! We will not just send
>>> the
>>>>> proposal
>>>>> and wait... I assume we are engaged in disseminating and
>>>>> lobbying for
>>>>> our positions in our constituencies (and, in some cases,
>>> with
>>>>> our
>>>>> governments as well). In any case, we can negotiate a word
>>>>> replacement
>>>>> (meaning the same, of course) later on in the actual
>>> debate.
>>>>> We can
>>>>> replace, for example, "ICANN" with "core resources such as
>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> administration/governance of names, numbers and
>>> protocols..."
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> --c.a.
>>>>>
>>>>> DRAKE William wrote:
>>>>>> Milton Mueller wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I fully agree with Carlos, both about delivering it now,
>>>>> and about the
>>>>>>> title. Thanks, Parminder for putting it together.
>>>>>> Has there been a formal consensus call, and that's what
>>>>> we're responding
>>>>>> to here? If so what's the time frame?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a yes on both of the above, although it occurs to me
>>>>> that there was
>>>>>> never any follow up discussion on Adam's argument that
>>>>> framing #2 in
>>>>>> terms of ICANN rather than just core resources would be
>>> the
>>>>> kiss of
>>>>>> death mAG-wise. But as the clock is running down and we
>>>>> have no
>>>>>> alternative language to consider, I guess we'll just see
>>> how
>>>>> it goes,
>>>>>> assuming the proposal gets through the IGC process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
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