[governance] Re: IG questions that are not ICANN [was: Irony]

[Dan Krimm]

The fundamental question here is simply one of relative benefit:  Is there
more to be gained from participation in this process at ITU than there is
to be lost by risking unrecoverable resources and contributing potentially
false legitimacy to the outcome?

This must be a matter of individual judgment in each institutional case.
ICANN and ITU are not institutionally structured in the same way (different
parameters and dynamics of political influence and control over resulting
policy), thus the cost/benefit tradeoff for CS may well resolve differently
between the two cases.  Apples and oranges.  I see nothing involving
grapes.  ;-)

Given that CS has limited resources to apply to influencing policy
surrounding the Internet, it may need to pick and choose where it applies
those resources very carefully.  If ITU's proceedings here are just the red
cape in a bullfight, then the CS bull would be remiss in charging at it
with all of the energy that it could be directing at the matador instead.

So, Suresh, can you address Milton's substantive claim that ITU's likely
policy output (apparently a "top-down" approach to organizing the fight
against cybercrime) is unlikely to make a difference?  I'm sure I would
personally learn something from a structured analysis here.

Dan

PS -- Somehow we ended up talking about ICANN again, even though this
particular topic is actually not about ICANN at all.  How in the world did
that happen?  I'm still scratching my head.



At 11:13 AM +0530 12/4/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>Why ask for a seat at the table in ICANN for that matter?
>
>This - again - sounds like sour grapes.
>
>	srs
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller at syr.edu]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:37 AM
>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> Subject: RE: [governance] Re: IG questions that are not ICANN [was:
>> Irony]
>>
>> Bill:
>> Why ask for a seat at the table of an inherently flawed policy process?
>> ITU's approach is fatally top-down. Even if it (miraculously) gets
>> adopted it won't have any effect on an Internet that operates on the
>> basis of distributed decision making among private networks and users.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: William Drake [mailto:drake at hei.unige.ch]
>> >
>> > Before the ITU's 191 member governments go off and decide on model
>> > cybercrime legislation that is globally applicable, globally accepted
>> > minimum security criteria and accreditation schemes, a global
>> framework
>> > for watch warning and incident response, and a framework for a global
>> > multi-stakeholder [sic] strategy for international cooperation, it
>> might
>> > be good if CS people and fellow travelers were to do some work on
>> these
>> > issues and maybe even ask for a seat at the table.  Might this be a
>> role
>> > for the IGC?  Could there be a tie-in to the OECD ministerial as well?
>> >
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