VB: SV: [governance] Fundamentally broken design of society

Thu Aug 2 14:23:05 EDT 2007

Hello Hiroshi,

Do you accept to co-ordinate things? What would the name of the task force be?

Kicki, what name would you propose?

Regards,
Kwasi

Kicki Nordström <kicki.nordstrom at srfriks.org> wrote: Dear Hiroshi and all,

I am very thankful to Hiroshi Kawamura to volunteer to lead a small group within the Governance network, on finding solutions on how we could:

1. Make for instance Microsoft interested in a real effort to cooperate with  programmers who are specialists on adaptive applications and   application programs for persons with disabilities
2. Make sure that the costs for applications to other "commonly" used programs are integrated in the price of those programs and do not carry extra costs for persons with disabilities.
3. How to  get persons with disabilities from developing countries able to access computer and free software with applications.

Could this be the first task for a small working group on this subject? 
All the best
Kicki 

Kicki Nordström
Synskadades Riksförbund (SRF) 
World Blind Union (WBU)
122 88 Enskede
Sweden
Tel: +46 (0)8 399 000
Fax: +46 (0)8 725 99 20
Cell: +46 (0)70 766 18 19
E-mail: kicki.nordstrom at srfriks.org 

kicki.nordstrom at telia.com (private) 

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: Hiroshi Kawamura [mailto:hkawa at attglobal.net] 
Skickat: den 1 augusti 2007 22:05
Till: Kicki Nordström; kwasi boakye-akyeampong; governance at lists.cpsr.org
Ämne: Re: SV: [governance] Fundamentally broken design of society

Dear Kicky:

Nice to hear from you always.
Yes, the subject being discussed is exactly what I am concerned.
I am interested to join the list to share what we are doing and thinking.

Best

Hiroshi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kicki Nordström" 
To: "kwasi boakye-akyeampong" ; 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:51 PM
Subject: SV: SV: [governance] Fundamentally broken design of society

Dear Kwasi

Your comment and interest is very much appreciated.  I hope someone would like to lead such a group as I am unable to take on more right now. However, I would very much like to be part of a group if someone is facilitating the inputs.

I copy this to Hiroshi and hope he will join a group together with some of us to look into recommendations of how we can support accessible ICT for all persons without extra costs for some!

warm regards
Kicki

Kicki Nordström
Synskadades Riksförbund (SRF)
World Blind Union (WBU)
122 88 Enskede
Sweden
Tel: +46 (0)8 399 000
Fax: +46 (0)8 725 99 20
Cell: +46 (0)70 766 18 19
E-mail: kicki.nordstrom at srfriks.org

kicki.nordstrom at telia.com (private)

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Från: kwasi boakye-akyeampong [mailto:kboakye1 at yahoo.co.uk]
Skickat: den 31 juli 2007 20:06
Till: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Kicki Nordström
Ämne: Re: SV: [governance] Fundamentally broken design of society

Norbert, Kikki,

I'd be part of any such initiative if you'd take it up. It will be an opportunity for me to learn. Until Kikki threw the disability angle to the digital divide debate, I, personally, had not given it much consideration since it is something that is (if I'm not exagerating) totally ignored in the developing world. I can at least say that for my country Ghana.

Thanks,
Kwasi

Kicki Nordström  wrote:

Dear Norbert.,

Maybe you are absolutely right, we the civil society have to show the way forward! A group of people could be assigned to discuss this matter, and there are, I think, a network of persons with disabilities, linked to this list, (I hope) and we may have just to address this network to put a group together?! Others may be interested as well and should be welcome.

The group I am thinking of was created at the first WSIS and with its side event, we have continued to work on the resolution we adopted, wishing a ICT society open for ALL! The resolution was further developed in Tunis at the second phase of WSIS and the disability Forum hold the second side event.

I really hope something will happen now so as we can move this issue a bit further!

Thanks Norbert., for your good initiative, do you mind to take the lead?
Yours
Kicki

Kicki Nordström
Synskadades Riksförbund (SRF)
World Blind Union (WBU)
122 88 Enskede
Sweden
Tel: +46 (0)8 399 000
Fax: +46 (0)8 725 99 20
Cell: +46 (0)70 766 18 19
E-mail: kicki.nordstrom at srfriks.org

kicki.nordstrom at telia.com (private)

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: Norbert Bollow [mailto:nb at bollow.ch]
Skickat: den 31 juli 2007 18:23
Till: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Ämne: [governance] Fundamentally broken design of society

Dear Kicki,
I very strongly agree with your assertion that the real problem lies with a fundamentally broken design of society!

(Note: The following sentence is perhaps a bit complicated, but it can be safely ignored by all but the most pedantic of readers.
In the above statement, I understand "design of society" to mean both the currently existing system by means of which society as a whole is composed out of a very large number of sub-systems, as well the way in which the decisions are made by means of which society as a whole is allowed to
evolve.)

Now the question arises, how can this fundamental brokenness be fixed?

Certainly it is not possible for society as a whole to get fixed all at once!

So the best that can be done, in my opinion, is to start small, get a small but diverse group of people together (electronically, by means of a mailing
list) who agree on wanting to figure out how a subsystem of society can be constructed which avoids the kind of fundamental "design of society" flaws that result in the production of _disabling_ software. I'm sure that when we figure out how to produce, within such a subsystem of society, computer software which is not disabling but rather empowering for everyone, that kind of software is going to be a commercial success also with the large number of computer users who are not particularly interested in "design of society" problems.

What do you think?

Gruss,
Norbert.

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Norbert Bollow http://Norbert.ch
Präsident der Swiss Internet User Group SIUG http://SIUG.ch Die SIUG engagiert sich für den Schutz der Privatsphäre und dafür, dass auch in Zukunft das Internet auf offenen Standards basiert.
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