[governance] .xxx. igc and igf

[DRAKE William]

Hi John,

Great, look forward to it, it will be helpful to the discussion.  In the 
meanwhile, maybe you could help me and Mawaki out here and indicate 
whether this would be intended to address just the governance of core 
resources, or IG more generally?

Cheers,

Bill

John Mathiason wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> An interesting challenge, which deserves to be taken up.  There are  now 
> enough ideas out there to try to put together a more complete  analysis 
> of what a Framework Convention on Internet Governance might  look like.  
> In addition to the Climate Change Convention (UNFCCC), we  now have the 
> WHO Tobacco convention (http://www.who.int/tobacco/ framework/en/) which 
> is a framework convention in that it specifies  principles (tobacco is 
> bad) and norms (public policy should address  demand) but leaves many of 
> the details to further negotiation. Both  provide interesting precedents 
> on which to draw.  It being the end-of- semester in the groves of 
> academia, the revised paper may take a  couple of weeks, but we (IGP) 
> will plan to have it ready before the  next IGF consultations on 23 May.
> 
> Best,
> 
> John
> On Apr 18, 2007, at 3:48, William Drake wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mawaki,
>>
>> On 4/18/07 5:36 AM, "Mawaki Chango" <ki_chango at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> First, I was bit confused when I read Bill's message below; it
>>> sounds as if an FC (or let call it an "international agrement"
>>> of some sort though "international" sounds more modern than
>>> postmoder ;)) was intended to take care of all things IG. To my
>>> understanding, this is intended to define and give a legal basis
>>> to the norms and rules, the mechanisms and processes, in sum,
>>> the legitimate authority to deal with relevant public policy
>>> issues pertaining to the others numerous issues of IG. And so
>>> far, there is no assumption on the nature or form of such
>>> authority, except that most of us seems to agree that it
>>> shouldn't be another intergovernmental kind of org. That could
>>> as well be a concentrated, scalable, multi-level structure where
>>> governments may get to make final decisions (again, only on
>>> public policy) but not without accepting external inputs
>>> (technical community, academia, CS, etc.)
>>
>>
>> Your understanding seems a lot more narrowly focused than what John  
>> proposed
>> in his paper three years ago, which to my knowledge is IGP's only  
>> written
>> statement on the matter.  And that was just a four page concept  
>> paper, more
>> of a teaser than an elaborated proposal.  Absent further  
>> specification, it's
>> natural that people will differently imagine what it is intended to  
>> entail,
>> and differently react to the recurrent suggestion that it could be The
>> Solution.  That's why I suggested yesterday to Milton that you guys  
>> take the
>> next step and spell it out.  Otherwise we'll just go around and around
>> talking past each other.
>>
>> On your formulation, much of IG broadly defined already has clear  legal
>> bases to its norms and rules, and it's not obvious how a FC would  
>> relate to
>> and further clarify the disparate bits of national and  international law
>> underlying the shared rule systems pertaining to IPR, e-commerce  and 
>> trade,
>> security, consumer protection, and so on.  I'm guessing that you  
>> actually
>> mean IG as popularly defined pre-WSIS, i.e. just core resources,  and 
>> that
>> this is why you found my comment confusing.  There are legal bases  
>> there too
>> but to the extent they're unclear or problematic I guess the idea  is to
>> change them.  Fine, but then maybe you should call it an FC on the
>> governance of core resources to avoid further misunderstanding.   And 
>> spell
>> out what it might look like so people have something concrete to  
>> react to,
>> rather than trying to imagine what you all have in mind.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bill
>>
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