[governance] Program for IGC at IGF

[Ian Peter]

Dave, let me beg to disagree on this.

The future is about the appropriate involvement of governments, not less
involvement. Much though a few old timers want to look for the golden age of
an Internet run by technical people, that group had to bow to the
involvement of commercial players, then end users with opinions on future
directions. Both were resisted.  And now to that slowest of all social
institutions, governments.

Government is just waking up to the fact that something important is
happening in this space. It is struggling to understand it. 

Make no mistake, they have the power to make an awful mess of this and some
of them already are. That just stresses to me the importance of appropriate
engagement and international arrangements.

No government roles around Internet are yet appropriate, either the US
government engagement or the non engagement of most others. It really is
important to figure this out rather than regard government as the enemy to
be avoided.



Ian Peter
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Kissoondoyal [mailto:dave at isoc-mu.org] 
Sent: 22 October 2006 08:33
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Avri Doria'
Subject: RE: [governance] Program for IGC at IGF

Dear Avri,

The success of an open internet accessible to all will depend a lot when
there will be less and less involvement of Governments 

The Internet Community has helped a lot for the Internet to evolve to what
we have now and I think that ONLY this community can assure the continued
success of the Internet whether the Governments accept or not.

Best regards

Dave Kissoondoyal

-----Original Message-----
From: governance-owner+dave=isoc-mu.org at lists.cpsr.org
[mailto:governance-owner+dave=isoc-mu.org at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Avri
Doria
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 2:04 AM
To: Governance Caucus
Subject: Re: [governance] Program for IGC at IGF

Hi,

On 21 okt 2006, at 21.11, George Sadowsky wrote:

> What I am reacting to is what I observe is the conventional wisdom  
> that I find faulty: that Internet governance and related Internet  
> issues are essentially international in character,


I disagree. I think it is only on the international stage that  
governance and other Internet issues can be dealt.  I don't believe  
that it is up to governments to do it though i do see them having  
some role.  i don't believe there is is any right of nations to make  
policy vis a vis the Internet.  They may do so, and they even get  
away with it at the moment, but i think we lose a major battle the  
second we start to believe that they have some _right_ to do so.  I  
tend to view the IGF and other international, but not  
intergovernemental, organizations as a bulwark against the continuing  
nationalization of the Internet.


> that wanted to emasculate ICANN

interesting image, but i do not see what being masculine, or having  
masculine external attributes, has to do with being an effective  
international organization.  not that i am prepared to argue that the  
current ICANN incarnation is particularly effective, though i think  
that has more to do with its form of governance and its lack of  
freedom from national and other government pressure.

a.
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