[governance] identity - an IG-related issue that crosses boundaries

[Mawaki Chango]

Dear Bertrand,

I got it! Thank you for the precise answer; indeed, it is intersting
reflecting on these issues, and will keep an eye on you in case of
further questions or insights.
I appreciate your "(unfortu[n]ately :-)" supposing that otherwise,
some people in your country could have jumped with inquisitory
accusations of being backward, based on your particle :-) And of
course they would have been totally wrong, as I sense it.
Thanks again.
Cheers,

Mawaki

--- Bertrand de La Chapelle <bdelachapelle at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Mawaki,
> 
> You wrote :
> 
> "If the difference in you mind is net and clear between those two
> types of democracy ("the traditional representative of the
> industrial
> age" and the "representative democracy (...) from the feudal and
> monarchic regimes of the agricultural age"), please I would like to
> hear about it, thanks."
> 
> Perhaps my english was not clear enough.
> 
> What I mean was that :
> 1) there was a transition from "the feudal and monarchic regimes of
> the
> agricultural age" towards "representative democracy" when societies
> moved in
> the industrial age (the transition was often painful : revolutions,
> etc...)
> 2) we are witnessing now (or should implement) another transition
> from this
> "traditional representative democracy" towards a new - or
> additional -
> participatory governance system (let's call it multi-stakeholder
> governance
> for the moment) adapted to the information society and supported by
> the
> internet.
> 
> A clear distinction criteria in my view between representative
> democracy and
> this new participatory governance framework is that :
> - representative democracy is "discrete" (in the mathematical sense
> of the
> term), meaning people delegate deputies chosen every four-five
> years into a
> Parliament and do not interact much in-between;
> - whereas participatory governance is "continuous", ie allowing
> ongoing and
> structured involvement of stakeholders in the deliberations on
> their issues
> of interest.
> 
> Another element is that :
> - representative democracy is fundamentally geography-based (with a
> strong
> role for the level of the nation-state)
> - participatory democracy can be geography-based but also
> issue-based,
> gathering stakeholders from different regions concerned with the
> same issue,
> as we experiment in the WSIS and IGF.
> 
> Final note : this transition does not mean that previous
> representative
> democracy structures shoud be suppressed and merely replaced by new
> systems.
> In many cases, the new participatory governance mechanisms will
> supplement
> existing structures or make them work in a different manner. After
> all, we
> are well placed in France to know that when electing our President,
> we are
> simply using another way to choose a King (unfortuately :-) .
> 
> To make another analogy, Evolution allows the development of new
> species by
> reusing the same DNA alphabet and genes through recombination and
> cross-over. New species do not emerge - except in the
> (ill)intellignet
> Design Theory - from scratch. Same for new governance frameworks :
> they
> usually emerge by reconfiguring existing structures. After all,
> many
> parliaments developped in Europe by empowering existing asemblies
> and
> changing the way their members were chosen.
> 
> Hope it's clearer. Happy to explore further if you are interested.
> 
> Best
> 
> Bertrand
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/13/06, Mawaki Chango <ki_chango at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > A question Bertrand:
> >
> > --- Bertrand de La Chapelle <bdelachapelle at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 3/10/06, Garth Graham <garth.graham at telus.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "in the longer term, "Internet governance is not about
> governance
> > > 'of'
> > > > the Internet. It's governance 'by' the Internet."
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually, you could distinguish three different aspects :
> > > - governance OF the Internet (the typical DNS and scarce
> resources
> > > question)
> > > - governance ON the Internet (rules and processes for
> activities
> > > conducted
> > > on the Internet)
> > > - and, governance IN THE AGE of the Internet (or also TROUGH
> the
> > > Internet
> > > and other electronic tools)
> > >
> > > The later seems to me what you mean by governance BY the
> Internet.
> > > But the
> > > word "by" evokes a submission to the instrument rather than the
> > > empowerment.
> > > You probably could also say governance VIA the Internet or even
> > >  "Internet-supported governance".
> > >
> > > This broader dimension addresses how the emergence of the
> global
> > > network is
> > > giving birth to a new global polity. This polity needs
> governance
> > > mechanisms
> > > as different from the traditional representative democracy of
> the
> > > industrial
> > > age as representative democracy itself was from the feudal and
> > > monarchic
> > > regimes of the agricultural age.
> >
> > If the difference in you mind is net and clear between those two
> > types of democracy ("the traditional representative of the
> industrial
> > age" and the "representative democracy (...) from the feudal and
> > monarchic regimes of the agricultural age"), please I would like
> to
> > hear about it, thanks.
> >
> > Mawaki
> >
> >
> 

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