[governance] VS: [Fwd: China To Launch Alternate Country Code Domains]

Fri Mar 3 20:14:43 EST 2006

Paul Wilson wrote:

>FYI, the two root servers which have been deployed in Beijing (these are 
>anycast copies of the F and I root servers) are each showing normal query 
>rates of well over 1000 queries per second.
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I see that Vixies vixens are busy putting out the China root fire with 
lots of technical mumbo jumbo.  Incidentally - would be wise if you also 
elaborated on the fact that 98% of those quries are considered bogus by 
you all down there in vixie land.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/05/dud_queries_swamp_us_internet/

>This would certainly seem to indicate that the Internet's root server 
>system is not being bypassed, but is in active use by local ISPs and 
>Internet users.
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>

No it does not.  I have attached the message I sent your collegue on the 
ietf mailing list.  Save me having t repeat myself.  You boys in the 
IANA root server business have to start a new chapter this year - maybe 
honesty with the public you serve might be a good idea.  Enjoy ---

Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote:

> To best of my knowledge, that there are no new Chinese root-servers -  
> despite what the press says. And at least we have not seen a drop in  
> queries to our anycast instance in Beijing yet so there even seems to  
> be data to support that...

There are. Check Peter Dambiers messages for details.

As for you claims of data to support this - show us.

First - you won't notice any drop in queries because the china roots 
refers all queries concerning NON-CHINESE TLDs back to IANA.

Second - you will notice an increase in what you guys at the roots call 
I think illegal or erroneous TLDs - which see

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/05/dud_queries_swamp_us_internet/

Incidentally - since my article was written I have not seen any further 
studies concerning root traffic from CAIDA or anyone else.  In fact root 
operators don't really share much with the world - do they?

cheers
joe baptista

>Paul Wilson
>APNIC.
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>--On Tuesday, 28 February 2006 5:25 PM +0100 Wolfgang Kleinwächter 
><wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
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>>With regard to the China Root:
>>
>>This is not new news. New is that it is now officially announced and out
>>into practical operation. But what you (or the US) can do? In its para 3
>>of the DNS Statement from June 2005 it signalled that it will respect the
>>national sovereignty over the domain name space of a country. This is
>>reflected in the Internet Governance part of the Tunis Agenda. Read para
>>63: "Countries should not be involved in decisions regarding another
>>country's country-code Top-Level Domain (ccTLD). Their legitimate
>>interests, as expressed and defined by each country, in diverse ways,
>>regarding decisions affecting their ccTLDs, need to be respected, upheld
>>and addressed via a flexible and improved framework and mechanisms". For
>>China, to have its own root with chinese TLDs is the execution of the
>>sovereignty over their domain name space. They certainly will not start a
>>root with .com zone files in ASCII code. But what now VeriSign/IANA/DOC
>>is doing with iDN TLD root zone files? Will they create their own version
>>of .com in chinese characters and than put it into the Hidden Server?
>>US Principle 3 was the price, the US government offered to get its
>>principle 1 through: Continuation of its own oversight role with regard
>>to ICANN and the DNS. And China accepted this in July 2006. It was not
>>accepted (or understood) by the EU. That is why you saw the struggle in
>>September and the letter from Madame Rice to Mr. Strw. Now you have two
>>unilateral controlled root server systems, one based on ASCII, the other
>>one on Chinese characters. And what will happen with Arab, Cyrillic and
>>Persian?
>>Not a big deal, if you have password to leave the Chinese Internet and to
>>go to the ASCII Internet. And Only a small group of people living in the
>>ASCII world will knock at the door of the Chinese Internet. Big news, but
>>no revolution. We are moving, as Mr. Hegel has said, confirmed later by
>>Mr. Marx, nearly 200 years ago, from simple to complex structures. The
>>remaining question is, is there a need to coordinate the different
>>language based roots? ITU is waiting for new business ...((((.
>>Best
>>
>>wolfgang
>>
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>>________________________________
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>>Lähettäjä: governance-bounces at lists.cpsr.org puolesta: David Allen
>>Lähetetty: ti 28.2.2006 16:59
>>Vastaanottaja: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>>Aihe: Re: [governance] [Fwd: China To Launch Alternate Country Code
>>Domains]
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>>
>>So the facts are clear:  China (and not just China ...) has had
>>so-called alternate multilingual roots for some time - to the point
>>where _currently_ there are 70 million native Chinese character
>>users, and growing.  This is not something that is just happening.
>>It has been underway for quite awhile.  The Western press
>>environment, likely influenced by ICANN and US Gov positions, has
>>failed to bring it to light (for us) - that does not change the
>>reality.
>>
>>David
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