From pwilson at apnic.net  Wed Jul 20 23:07:50 2005
From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:07:50 +1000
Subject: [governance] Vixie comments on WGIG
In-Reply-To: <42DE9497.5000607@wz-berlin.de>
References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050717122302.031315e0@pop.gn.apc.org>
	<3577.194.153.197.95.1121635279.squirrel@194.153.197.95>
	<15ACBBDE-8387-46F5-8AD2-5206C301CD22@dannybutt.net>
	<p0623092abf008d3e7198@[10.0.0.35]>
	<c54aa668ad9ffc2f2216cab1415e9b19@earthlink.net>
	<42DC991B.6090701@bertola.eu.org>	<42DCC229.3060901@wz-berlin.de>
	<Pine.NEB.4.63.0507191000350.23581@panix1.panix.com>
	<42DD5D00.2020308@wz-berlin.de>	<42DD76D0.3040801@lextext.com>
	<42DE9497.5000607@wz-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <8DE28C19420EEF07D333BFBB@as-paul.apnic.net>


>
> Hi Bret, thank you for the link. I find Vixie's comments surprising. I
> expected some form of rant and found this instead:

Jeanette

Paul Vixie is someone with whom some people often seem to disagree, but in 
my opinion he is always worth listening to.  :-)

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From bortzmeyer at internatif.org  Thu Jul 21 11:50:55 2005
From: bortzmeyer at internatif.org (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:50:55 +0200
Subject: [governance] caucus statements
In-Reply-To: <p06230902bf027e73348b@[10.18.34.153]>
References: <p06230902bf027e73348b@[10.18.34.153]>
Message-ID: <20050721155055.GA12689@nic.fr>

On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 07:46:23PM +0900,
 Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote 
 a message of 2952 lines which said:

> Attached what I think is the final version of our initial statement 

Only in Microsoft RTF format, while the text says:

> Issues of open content, cultural diversity and inclusion, and free
> and open source software, are referenced briefly in the background
> paper, but not prioritised in the WGIG report. We consider these
> issues are priority public policy issues and will make more
> substantial comments during the roundtable discussions.

CS humor? Note that the point was addresses by Paul Vixie for the WGIG
report:

http://fm.vix.com/internet/governance/wgig-report-july05.html

Free/Libre/Open Source Software (FLOSS).
    The authors and publishers of these reports could strengthen their recommendations in the area of FLOSS by following them! Why were several of today's documents released as MSWord files rather than OpenDocumentText (ODT) files? The F/L/OSS movement has been studying the freedom in cyberspace problem space for longer than the Internet has had a government (such as it is), and there's a natural alliance, if not outright overlap, to be found between people who want democratic government of cyberspace, and people who write software so they can give it away. So, don't just praise the recipe for this kool-aid -- drink it!

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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Thu Jul 21 13:11:06 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:11:06 +0200
Subject: [governance] caucus statements
In-Reply-To: <20050721155055.GA12689@nic.fr>
References: <p06230902bf027e73348b@[10.18.34.153]>
	<20050721155055.GA12689@nic.fr>
Message-ID: <1121965866.4273.114.camel@croce.dyf.it>

Il giorno gio, 21-07-2005 alle 17:50 +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer ha
scritto:
> CS humor? Note that the point was addresses by Paul Vixie for the WGIG
> report:
> 
> http://fm.vix.com/internet/governance/wgig-report-july05.html
> 
> Free/Libre/Open Source Software (FLOSS).
>     The authors and publishers of these reports could strengthen their recommendations in the area of FLOSS by following them! Why were several of today's documents released as MSWord files rather than OpenDocumentText (ODT) files? The F/L/OSS movement has been studying the freedom in cyberspace problem space for longer than the Internet has had a government (such as it is), and there's a natural alliance, if not outright overlap, to be found between people who want democratic government of cyberspace, and people who write software so they can give it away. So, don't just praise the recipe for this kool-aid -- drink it!

And so, since earlier today we have an ODT version of the report
officially available on the WGIG website.

(I guess you will also have an ODT version of the Background Report as
soon as possible, if that damn OpenOffice stops putting extra numbering
on all single paragraphs of the DOC file as I save it after import.)

Ciao,
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From jacqueline.morris at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 11:06:52 2005
From: jacqueline.morris at gmail.com (Jacqueline Morris)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:06:52 -0400
Subject: [governance] caucus statements
In-Reply-To: <1121965866.4273.114.camel@croce.dyf.it>
References: <p06230902bf027e73348b@10.18.34.153>
	<20050721155055.GA12689@nic.fr>
	<1121965866.4273.114.camel@croce.dyf.it>
Message-ID: <131293a205072208066ae25a6a@mail.gmail.com>

I converted both and gave to Frank yesterday...

On 7/21/05, Vittorio Bertola <vb at bertola.eu.org> wrote:
> Il giorno gio, 21-07-2005 alle 17:50 +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer ha
> scritto:
> > CS humor? Note that the point was addresses by Paul Vixie for the WGIG
> > report:
> >
> > http://fm.vix.com/internet/governance/wgig-report-july05.html
> >
> > Free/Libre/Open Source Software (FLOSS).
> >     The authors and publishers of these reports could strengthen their recommendations in the area of FLOSS by following them! Why were several of today's documents released as MSWord files rather than OpenDocumentText (ODT) files? The F/L/OSS movement has been studying the freedom in cyberspace problem space for longer than the Internet has had a government (such as it is), and there's a natural alliance, if not outright overlap, to be found between people who want democratic government of cyberspace, and people who write software so they can give it away. So, don't just praise the recipe for this kool-aid -- drink it!
> 
> And so, since earlier today we have an ODT version of the report
> officially available on the WGIG website.
> 
> (I guess you will also have an ODT version of the Background Report as
> soon as possible, if that damn OpenOffice stops putting extra numbering
> on all single paragraphs of the DOC file as I save it after import.)
> 
> Ciao,
> --
> vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
> http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...
> 
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Fri Jul 22 17:45:13 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:45:13 -0400
Subject: [governance] WGIG : What it Means for the World Bank Group
References: <OFC4A5ACDC.4E2EEA7E-ON85257046.0070B049-85257046.0070BDC0@worldbank.org>
Message-ID: <926BC950-CA05-4700-9798-720ABA2EBB94@lists.privaterra.org>

(forwarded to this list )


                      E-DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THEMATIC GROUP

  in collaboration with the Legal Department, ITSLC Quickstart, CITPO  
and ISGIA
                           invites you to a seminar on

                  World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS)
               and the Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG):
                      What it Means for the World Bank Group


            Speaker:  Markus Kummer, Executive Coordinator of the WGIG
                    Chair:  David Satola, Senior Counsel LEGPS

         Wednesday, July  27, 2005, 2:30 - 4 pm (EST/Washington DC time)

                   Room I4-060, 1850 I Street NW Washington DC

                               PROGRAM DESCRIPTION:

   This program will describe the highlights of the Working Group?s  
Report on
   Internet Governance, launched in Geneva on July 18, 2005.  Mr.  
Kummer will
   provide a brief overview of the Working Group and its methodology,  
including
   its mandate under the World Summit on Information Society; a  
summary of the
   Report including highlights of particular relevance to the Bank?s  
operational
   work; and next steps to be taken by the Secretariat before Phase  
II of the
   Summit in Tunis in November 2005.

   Mr. Kummer is the Executive Coordinator of the Secretariat  
supporting the
   Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG).  He was appointed to  
this post by
   the United Nations Secretary-General in March 2004. From 2002  
until 2004 he
   held the position as eEnvoy of the Swiss Foreign Ministry in  
Berne. His main
   tasks included foreign policy co-ordination with regard to  
information and
   communication technologies in general and the WSIS in particular.  
Mr. Kummer
   was a member of the Swiss delegation during the first phase of the  
WSIS where
   he chaired several negotiating groups, including the group on  
Internet
   Governance that developed an agreed text on this issue for the WSIS
   Declaration of Principles and Plan of Action. He is a career  
diplomat who
   served in several functions in the Swiss foreign service in Berne,  
Geneva,
   Lisbon, Vienna, Oslo and Ankara.

   This event will be recorded and the video-clip and summary be  
posted to the
   website of the e-Development Thematic Group.

      For more information please email edevelopment at worldbank.org   
or visit:
http://www.worldbank.org/edevelopment

      Additional background links: http://www.itu.int/wsis, http:// 
www.wgig.org,
http://www.wgig.org/docs/WGIGREPORT.doc

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From mueller at syr.edu  Fri Jul 22 21:43:19 2005
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:43:19 -0400
Subject: [governance] Vixie comments on WGIG
Message-ID: <s2e1689b.037@gwia201.syr.edu>

These are important comments. Vixie will carry weight with the technical
and business communities in the USA. Consider the following: 

"The Internet is just too important, culturally and economically, for
the world to tolerate unbounded unilateral control over its development.
No matter how well USG's unilateral control might have worked in earlier
days, those days are over." 

Interesting, important and surprising that this is the FIRST time in
the WGIG/WSIS and ICANN space that someone's drawn a connection between
privacy and the DNSSEC bandwagon:

"any zone that deploys DNSSEC as specified gives up any subdomain
naming privacy they thought they had. [snip] While this lack of naming
privacy is commercially uncomfortable for a number of Gtld's, when
combined with WHOIS data, it's an actual violation of the law."

Here's another salient warning:

"when I think of the way national sovereignty has been abused to turn
telecommunications access fees into major GDP sources, I already don't
think I'm going to like the endgame if "regulation" occurs in the area
of international Internet peering and interconnection." 

--MM

>>> Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net> 07/20/05 11:07 PM >>>

>
> Hi Bret, thank you for the link. I find Vixie's comments surprising.
I
> expected some form of rant and found this instead:

Jeanette

Paul Vixie is someone with whom some people often seem to disagree, but
in 
my opinion he is always worth listening to.  :-)

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From Mueller at syr.edu  Sat Jul 23 17:28:19 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:28:19 -0400
Subject: [governance] Online attenance: Wash. DC Internet Governance event
	July 28
Message-ID: <s2e27e53.007@gwia201.syr.edu>

The Internet Governance Project will make its symposium "Regime Change
on the  Internet" available to an online audience using Elluminate
software. The  Elluminate session begins at 10:30 AM (US Eastern
Standard Time) on July 28,  2005. To join the session, please click
here, within 60 minutes of the start  time:
http://cotelco-server.syr.edu:8080/meeting_login.html?meeting_id=21970


If this is the first time you will be using Elluminate, you will need
to download client software, which may take anywhere from 2 to 20
minutes depending  upon your Internet connection speed. You can
pre-configure your system with the  required software by going to the
support page:
http://cotelco-server.syr.edu:8080/support.html 

Please make sure your computer has a microphone and speakers to be able
to talk and hear while you are in the Elluminate session.

REGIME CHANGE ON THE INTERNET? INTERNET GOVERNANCE AFTER WGIG

Program Moderator: 
Derrick L. Cogburn, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
and  Internet Governance Project

"What the UN Working Group proposed"
Markus Kummer, Executive Coordinator, UN Working Group on Internet
Governance

"The US Perspective on Internet Governance and WSIS"
Richard Beaird, Senior Deputy U.S. Coordinator, US State Department, 
Communication and Information Policy section

Respondents:
* Lesley Cowley, Chief Executive Officer, Nominet UK 
* Milton Mueller, Professor, Syracuse University and Internet
Governance Project
* Christopher Boam, Counsel for Internet and Global ICT in MCI's
Legal  Department, International Affairs Division
* Willie Currie, Association for Progressive Communications

11:30 - 12:30 
Questions and answers from attending and online audience. 

Rapporteur:
Hans Klein, Professor, Georgia Institute of Technology and Internet
Governance  Project

Event co-sponsors include: The Internet Governance Project; The Quello
Center for  Telecommunication Management and Law, Michigan State
University; Culture,  Communication and Technology Program, Georgetown
University; Internet and Public  Policy Project, Georgia Institute of
Technology.

Physical meeting coordinates:

July 28, 2005 10:30 - 12:30
Syracuse University's Paul Greenberg House
2301 Calvert Street, NW, Washington, DC 
(Near the Woodley subway stop)



Dr. Milton Mueller
Syracuse University School of Information Studies
http://www.digital-convergence.org
http://www.internetgovernance.org

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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Mon Jul 25 00:23:02 2005
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:23:02 +0900
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [CS Bureau] Reminder - Prepcom fellowship deadline
Message-ID: <p0623090bbf0a19481f0f@[192.168.1.254]>

Fellowships are available for civil society -- note developing 
nations with priority for people from LDCs.

Good luck!

Adam



>Cc: bureau wsis <bureau at wsis-cs.org>
>From: Robert Guerra <rguerra at lists.privaterra.org>
>To: wsis-cs-plenary Plenary <plenary at wsis-cs.org>
>Subject: [CS Bureau] Reminder - Prepcom fellowship deadline
>
>Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:20:32 -0400
>
>### Reminder - Prepcom fellowship deadline - 5 August 2005 ###
>
>Further details at:
>
>http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/pc3/index.html#fellowships
>
>[snipped]
>
>To facilitate the participation of developing countries at the WSIS 
>Third Preparatory Meeting, 19-30 September 2005, ITU is pleased to 
>announce that a limited number of fellowships will be available to 
>developing country representatives from Government and from NGOs and 
>civil society entities, with priority being given to participants 
>from Least Developed Countries.
>
>
>Rules governing the administration of fellowships for the WSIS Third 
>Preparatory Meeting, Geneva, from 19-30 September 2005A.1
>Application procedure
>
>Submission of a nomination form duly completed (see Form), signed 
>and endorsed by the official responsible to nominate candidates in 
>the organization must be received no later than
>
>5 August 2005
>
>Profile of candidate:
>
>Government participants: Senior Managers responsible for ICT-related 
>issues at decision-making or policy level.
>NGOs and civil society entities: Senior members of accredited NGOs 
>and civil society entities with active participation in WSIS.
>
>Validated, signed applications may be forwarded to:
>
>WSIS Fellowships
>Geneva
>Fax:            +41 22 730 5778
>Email:            wsis-fellowships at itu.int
>
>--
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>Managing Director, Privaterra <http://www.privaterra.org>
>
>
>
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Mon Jul 25 08:59:49 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:59:49 -0400
Subject: [governance] [CS Bureau] Reminder - Prepcom fellowship deadline
In-Reply-To: <p0623090bbf0a19481f0f@[192.168.1.254]>
References: <p0623090bbf0a19481f0f@[192.168.1.254]>
Message-ID: <20050725125950.41F9326FC9@mail.privaterra.org>

Frankly I am converned by the real lack of activity on the bureau list. 
There are - many - pending issues that frankly, don't get discussed . 
Decisions do seem to take place, just not in consultation with this list. 

A case in point - fellowships. 

If i am not mistaken both at the Dec 04 Cape Town meeting and at the Feb 05 
PrepCom meetings a scholarship policy was discussed and approved. The 
recommendation was that an independant bureau review committee would be 
struck to review fellowship applications. Where has that gone? Who will 
those people be? 

PrepCom 3 will be a very key meeting, one where CS needs to be involved in a 
very productive and engaged fashion. We need all the funding resources that 
are available - to be allocated very strategically, and that  - should not 
make membership on the bureau a priority. I would be keen on changing the 
priority given to the bureau to countries that are traditional 
underrepresented at WSIS - that being Latin America and Asia. 

So, in summary I agree with Adam. The bureau is not a mess - it's worse, 
it's really disfunctional and not really doing anything at all.  Either we 
start really "doing our job" , and soon - or just stop the illusion that the 
bureau in fact does anything. 

At the coming PrepCom I will not engage in endless meetings that go on for 
hours on and about issues that should have been discussed in advance on 
email. Time is short, and to be honest, I just don't have time to waste - 
there will be far more important meetings taking place elsewhere. I hope 
others feel the same. 

Anyway, sorry for the rant... 

Back to Adam's comment..a couple of questions: 

 - what is the fellowshis process , and how does it affect the bureau
 - how many fellowships will be available ?
 - how will the fellowships be allocated, specifically how many are available 
for each specific region
 - will the bureau be involved in the review and/or recommendation of 
fellowships? if so, who will do that?
 - how will bureau self dealing be - avoided 

These questions need to be urgently answered. By whom? well, anyone who 
might know, as surely i don't. 

regards 

Robert 


Adam Peake writes: 

> From the fellowship guideline: 
> 
> * NGOs and civil society entities: preference will be given to Bureau 
> members from developing countries. 
> 
> This issue of preference for bureau members has come up a few times and 
> each time I've said I think priority should *not* go to the bureau.  We 
> need people at prepcoms who lead in developing positions and content, not 
> administration.  
> 
> I have not seen this matter debated in the bureau, and until it is I would 
> like us to provide fellowships to those who are likely to the substance of 
> the prepcom. 
> 
> Frankly the bureau is still a mess.  I see a lot being done by the 
> secretariat (Renata, Philippe and Alejandra), but little by the bureau 
> itself. WG and caucuses on the other hand are productive. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Adam 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> At 7:20 PM -0400 7/22/05, Robert Guerra wrote:
>> ### Reminder - Prepcom fellowship deadline - 5 August 2005 ### 
>> 
>> Further details at: 
>> 
>> http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/pc3/index.html#fellowships 
>> 
>> [snipped] 
>> 
>> To facilitate the participation of developing countries at the WSIS Third 
>> Preparatory Meeting, 19-30 September 2005, ITU is pleased to announce 
>> that a limited number of fellowships will be available to developing 
>> country representatives from Government and from NGOs and civil society 
>> entities, with priority being given to participants from Least Developed 
>> Countries. 
>> 
>> 
>> Rules governing the administration of fellowships for the WSIS Third 
>> Preparatory Meeting, Geneva, from 19-30 September 2005A.1
>> Application procedure 
>> 
>> Submission of a nomination form duly completed (see Form), signed and 
>> endorsed by the official responsible to nominate candidates in the 
>> organization must be received no later than 
>> 
>> 5 August 2005 
>> 
>> Profile of candidate: 
>> 
>> Government participants: Senior Managers responsible for ICT-related 
>> issues at decision-making or policy level.
>> NGOs and civil society entities: Senior members of accredited NGOs and 
>> civil society entities with active participation in WSIS. 
>> 
>> Validated, signed applications may be forwarded to: 
>> 
>> WSIS Fellowships
>> Geneva
>> Fax:            +41 22 730 5778
>> Email:            wsis-fellowships at itu.int 
>> 
>> --
>> Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org>
>> Managing Director, Privaterra <http://www.privaterra.org> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bureau mailing list
>> Bureau at wsis-cs.org
>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bureau
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bureau mailing list
> Bureau at wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bureau
 


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From roessler at does-not-exist.org  Mon Jul 25 10:38:04 2005
From: roessler at does-not-exist.org (Thomas Roessler)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:38:04 +0200
Subject: [governance] Vixie comments on WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s2e1689b.037@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s2e1689b.037@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <20050725143803.GI18144@raktajino.does-not-exist.org>

On 2005-07-22 21:43:19 -0400, Milton Mueller wrote:

> Interesting, important and surprising that this is the FIRST time
> in the WGIG/WSIS and ICANN space that someone's drawn a
> connection between privacy and the DNSSEC bandwagon:

> "any zone that deploys DNSSEC as specified gives up any subdomain
> naming privacy they thought they had. [snip] While this lack of
> naming privacy is commercially uncomfortable for a number of
> Gtld's, when combined with WHOIS data, it's an actual violation
> of the law."

The connection between privacy and DNSSEC was actually discussed at
the DNSSEC workshop during the ICANN meetings in Luxembourg. Search
for "zone enumeration" in [1], and Peter Koch's remarks on deploying
DNSSEC for .de.

(Also note that this particular aspect of the problem looks like
it's solvable by protocol design means; [2].)


1. http://www.icann.org/meetings/luxembourg/captioning-dnssec-workshop-12jul05.htm
2. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-nsec3-02.txt

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From pwilson at apnic.net  Tue Jul 26 22:03:10 2005
From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:03:10 +1000
Subject: [governance] Online attenance: Wash. DC Internet Governance
 event July 28
In-Reply-To: <s2e27e53.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s2e27e53.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <E8191CD1A00EE00548B85F25@[192.168.1.103]>

Milton,

I take it you are inviting international participation in this meeting?

If so, would you be so kind as to translate the starting time into the 
standard GMT/UTC timezone.

Thanks.

Paul Wilson
APNIC



--On Saturday, 23 July 2005 5:28 PM -0400 Milton Mueller <Mueller at syr.edu> 
wrote:

> The Internet Governance Project will make its symposium "Regime Change
> on the  Internet" available to an online audience using Elluminate
> software. The  Elluminate session begins at 10:30 AM (US Eastern
> Standard Time) on July 28,  2005. To join the session, please click
> here, within 60 minutes of the start  time:
> http://cotelco-server.syr.edu:8080/meeting_login.html?meeting_id=21970
>
>
> If this is the first time you will be using Elluminate, you will need
> to download client software, which may take anywhere from 2 to 20
> minutes depending  upon your Internet connection speed. You can
> pre-configure your system with the  required software by going to the
> support page:
> http://cotelco-server.syr.edu:8080/support.html
>
> Please make sure your computer has a microphone and speakers to be able
> to talk and hear while you are in the Elluminate session.
>
> REGIME CHANGE ON THE INTERNET? INTERNET GOVERNANCE AFTER WGIG
>
> Program Moderator:
> Derrick L. Cogburn, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
> and  Internet Governance Project
>
> "What the UN Working Group proposed"
> Markus Kummer, Executive Coordinator, UN Working Group on Internet
> Governance
>
> "The US Perspective on Internet Governance and WSIS"
> Richard Beaird, Senior Deputy U.S. Coordinator, US State Department,
> Communication and Information Policy section
>
> Respondents:
> * Lesley Cowley, Chief Executive Officer, Nominet UK
> * Milton Mueller, Professor, Syracuse University and Internet
> Governance Project
> * Christopher Boam, Counsel for Internet and Global ICT in MCI's
> Legal  Department, International Affairs Division
> * Willie Currie, Association for Progressive Communications
>
> 11:30 - 12:30
> Questions and answers from attending and online audience.
>
> Rapporteur:
> Hans Klein, Professor, Georgia Institute of Technology and Internet
> Governance  Project
>
> Event co-sponsors include: The Internet Governance Project; The Quello
> Center for  Telecommunication Management and Law, Michigan State
> University; Culture,  Communication and Technology Program, Georgetown
> University; Internet and Public  Policy Project, Georgia Institute of
> Technology.
>
> Physical meeting coordinates:
>
> July 28, 2005 10:30 - 12:30
> Syracuse University's Paul Greenberg House
> 2301 Calvert Street, NW, Washington, DC
> (Near the Woodley subway stop)
>
>
>
> Dr. Milton Mueller
> Syracuse University School of Information Studies
> http://www.digital-convergence.org
> http://www.internetgovernance.org
>
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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 11:56:02 2005
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:56:02 -0400
Subject: [governance] Caucus process comment
In-Reply-To: <BAY16-F318005972EBED48AB6D162D5D70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY16-F318005972EBED48AB6D162D5D70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f65fb55e0507270856767bd988@mail.gmail.com>

All,
 I have to agree with Ronda's comments.
 I think the process of developing statements/postions on how IG should be 
done should be as inclusive/transparent, etc as the current way IG is done. 
For some BCPs, I suggest visiting some of the RIR Policy Development pages:

http://ripe.net/ripe/draft-documents/pdp.html
 http://www.afrinic.net/pdp.htm
 http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/dev/process.html
 http://www.arin.net/policy/irpep.html
 I think some of these links might be helpful in coming up with a suitable 
process.
 I have been offline for most of July, so have not been able to participate 
at all. I would rather have waited and not rushed a response in a few days.
 Regards,
  McTim
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From jacqueline.morris at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 12:30:00 2005
From: jacqueline.morris at gmail.com (Jacqueline Morris)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:30:00 -0400
Subject: [governance] Caucus process comment
In-Reply-To: <f65fb55e0507270856767bd988@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY16-F318005972EBED48AB6D162D5D70@phx.gbl>
	<f65fb55e0507270856767bd988@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <131293a205072709304848be07@mail.gmail.com>

Very useful links, but i have one concern:
Will this process include responses and so forth at the Prepcom and
other negotiating bodies? Cause if so, then the period of comment to
the list may have to be something like 4 hours rather than 4 weeks.
Unless a different mechanism is proposed for these situations - like a
general agreement on issues and then give a mandate to the team onsite
and online to simply make statements on behalf of the Caucus without
the full consultation, as the timeframe for these comments is very
short - just like the last consultation with the WGIG report (4 days)
in Prepcom it is sometimes less than 4 hours to develop a
comment/response.
Jacqueline

On 7/27/05, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> All, 
>   
> I have to agree with Ronda's comments. 
>   
> I think the process of developing statements/postions on how IG should be
> done should be as inclusive/transparent, etc as the current way IG is done.
> For some BCPs, I suggest visiting some of the RIR Policy Development pages: 
> 
> http://ripe.net/ripe/draft-documents/pdp.html 
>   
> http://www.afrinic.net/pdp.htm 
>   
> http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/dev/process.html 
>   
> http://www.arin.net/policy/irpep.html 
>   
> I think some of these links might be helpful in coming up with a suitable
> process. 
>   
> I have been offline for most of July, so have not been able to participate
> at all.  I would rather have waited and not rushed a response in a few days.
>   
> Regards, 
>   
>   
> McTim
>   
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 


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From avri at acm.org  Wed Jul 27 16:51:57 2005
From: avri at acm.org (avri doria)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:51:57 -0400
Subject: [governance] Caucus process comment
In-Reply-To: <131293a205072709304848be07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY16-F318005972EBED48AB6D162D5D70@phx.gbl>
	<f65fb55e0507270856767bd988@mail.gmail.com>
	<131293a205072709304848be07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8cd7ff818a335cf717db5cb8d134c994@acm.org>

Hi,

I agree with this.  while I think we should follow maximally open 
process for email based decisions, including 4 week review periods, and 
perhaps a form of voting (if we can figure out how to do that fairly), 
i think we need a different process for decisions that need to me made 
during a prepcom or similar event.

and while it would be good to have all our statements ready a month in 
advance for process, i don't think it is possible to anticipate the 
needs that far in advance.

a.

On 27 jul 2005, at 12.30, Jacqueline Morris wrote:

> Very useful links, but i have one concern:
> Will this process include responses and so forth at the Prepcom and
> other negotiating bodies? Cause if so, then the period of comment to
> the list may have to be something like 4 hours rather than 4 weeks.
> Unless a different mechanism is proposed for these situations - like a
> general agreement on issues and then give a mandate to the team onsite
> and online to simply make statements on behalf of the Caucus without
> the full consultation, as the timeframe for these comments is very
> short - just like the last consultation with the WGIG report (4 days)
> in Prepcom it is sometimes less than 4 hours to develop a
> comment/response.
> Jacqueline

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From mueller at syr.edu  Wed Jul 27 18:07:23 2005
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:07:23 -0400
Subject: [governance] [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Online attenance: Wash.
	DC	Internet Governanceevent July 28
Message-ID: <s2e7cd68.020@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> pwilson at apnic.net 07/26/05 10:03 PM >>>
>I take it you are inviting international participation in this
meeting?

As always....

>If so, would you be so kind as to translate the starting time 
>into the standard GMT/UTC timezone.

Our start time - 10:30 Eastern US daylight time, July 28 (Thursday) -
would be:

14:30 UTC
23:30 Tokyo
16:30 Berlin

Dr. Milton Mueller
Syracuse University School of Information Studies
http://www.digital-convergence.org
http://www.internetgovernance.org

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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Thu Jul 28 10:28:36 2005
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:28:36 +0900
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Message to all stakeholders on
 behalf of the Chair of the PrepCom
Message-ID: <p06230929bf0e9b83b04d@[192.168.1.254]>

Note, open consultation on Internet governance on Tuesday September 6.

Adam



>From: "Renate Bloem" <rbloem at ngocongo.org>
>To: "CS Plenary" <plenary at wsis-cs.org>,
>	"bureau wsis" <bureau at wsis-cs.org>
>Cc: <wsis at ngocongo.org>
>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Message to all 
>stakeholders on behalf of the Chair of the 
>PrepCom
>Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:05:24 +0200
>
>
>
>
>
>FYI
>Message to all stakeholders, on behalf of the 
>Chairman of the PrepCom of the Tunis Phase
>Dear Sir, Madam,
>For your information, please find below the 
>schedule of the planned activities prior to the 
>Prep-Com3 taking place in the Palais des Nations 
>from 19 to 30 September 2005:
>Monday, 5 September pm:         GFC meeting (GFC 
>members and observers from governments only)
>Tuesday, 6 September am:        GFC meeting 
>(Consultations open to all stakeholders)
>Tuesday, 6 September pm:        Internet 
>governance (Consultations open to all 
>stakeholders)   
>Wednesday, 7 September am:      GFC meeting (GFC 
>members and observers from governments only) if 
>needed
>Wednesday, 7 September pm:      Bureau meeting (Bureau members only)
>Please note that a GFC (Group of Friends of the 
>Chair) meeting (GFC members and observers from 
>governments only) might take place on 9 
>September if necessary.
>As usual, an invitation to the meetings will be 
>send to the concerned by e-mail in due date.
>Yours faithfully,
>Charles Geiger
>Executive Director WSIS
>
>
>Renate Bloem
>President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
>11, Avenue de la Paix
>CH-1202 Geneva
>Tel: +41 22 301 1000
>Fax: +41 22 301 2000
>E-mail: <mailto:rbloem at ngocongo.org>rbloem at ngocongo.org
>Website: <http://www.ngocongo.org/>www.ngocongo.org
>
>
>
>The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an 
>international, membership association that 
>facilitates the participation of NGOs in United 
>Nations debates and decisions. Founded in 1948, 
>CONGO's major objective is to ensure the 
>presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's 
>governments and United Nations agencies on 
>issues of global concern.  For more information 
>see our website at 
><http://www.ngocongo.org/>www.ngocongo.org
>
>


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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Fri Jul 29 16:11:37 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:11:37 -0400
Subject: [governance] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BECF0D6A-1799-4695-8DDE-EA2DE7B7D89F@lists.privaterra.org>

I had the opportunity to attend the meeting held yesterday in  
Washington DC on WGIG. I will post a my notes of the meeting in the  
next few days.

regards

Robert



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  REGIME CHANGE ON THE INTERNET? INTERNET GOVERNANCE AFTER WGIG

Washington Symposium July 28; Online Participation Possible

July 28, 2005. The Internet Governance Project and three other  
university programs sponsor a symposium in Washington, DC to assess  
the final report of the UN Working Group on Internet Governance  
(WGIG). The event, titled "Regime Change on the Internet? Internet  
Governance After WGIG" will be the first public event in the United  
States to review the UN Working Group’s report. The symposium will  
also look towards the future of Internet governance, leading up to  
the World Summit on the Information Society in Tunisia and beyond.  
Location: Syracuse University's Paul Greenberg House, 2301 Calvert  
Street, NW, Washington, DC (Near the Woodley subway stop). 202-797-4678.

The symposium will be available to an online audience using  
Elluminate software, beginning at 10:30 AM (US Eastern Standard  
Time). To join the session, please click here within 60 minutes of  
the start time. If this is the first time you will be using  
Elluminate, you will need to download client software. You can pre- 
configure your system with the required software by going to the  
support page at any time. Please make sure your computer has a  
microphone and speakers to be able to talk and hear while you are in  
the Elluminate session.

Program

“What the UN Working Group proposed”
Markus Kummer, Executive Coordinator, UN Working Group on Internet  
Governance

“The US Perspective on Internet Governance and WSIS”
Richard Beaird, Senior Deputy U.S. Coordinator, US State Department,
Communication and Information Policy section

Respondents:
* Lesley Cowley, Chief Executive Officer, Nominet UK
* Milton Mueller, Professor, Syracuse University and Internet  
Governance Project
* Christopher Boam, Counsel for Internet and Global ICT in MCI’s  
Legal Department, International Affairs Division
* Willie Currie, Association for Progressive Communications

11:30 - 12:30
Questions and answers from attending and online audience.

Moderator:
Derrick L. Cogburn, Syracuse University School of Information Studies  
and Internet Governance Project

Rapporteur:
Hans Klein, Professor, Georgia Institute of Technology and Internet  
Governance Project

Event co-sponsors include: The Internet Governance Project; The  
Quello Center for
Telecommunication Management and Law, Michigan State University;  
Culture,
Communication and Technology Program, Georgetown University; Internet  
and Public
Policy Project, Georgia Institute of Technology





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From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Fri Jul 29 17:57:02 2005
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:57:02 +0200
Subject: [governance] press report on Wash. DC Internet Governance event
In-Reply-To: <s2e7cd68.020@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s2e7cd68.020@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <42EAA62E.7030505@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Here is the first report I found about the Washington meeting.
Ralf

http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=78230&WT.svl=wire1_3

US Under Pressure Over ICANN

JULY 29, 2005
PR Newswire

WASHINGTON -- The United States must accept the need for change in 
Internet governance, a group of academic experts on Internet policy stated 
today. The U.S. should assert leadership by advancing new proposals for 
cooperating with other countries in the oversight and supervision of 
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and by 
supporting the development of a global framework treaty that will protect 
the Internet's unique freedoms while working jointly to resolve its problems.

"While we can justly claim that the U.S. 'invented' the Internet," 
Syracuse University professor Milton Mueller said, "with over a billion 
users now, US citizens are a small minority of the networked world. If the 
Internet's central coordination functions are seen as a U.S. strategic 
asset rather than as a neutral, globally-shared infrastructure, the risks 
of deliberate disruption and politicization of the Internet can only 
increase."
	
The comments, part of a statement developed by the Syracuse 
University-based Internet Governance Project (IGP), came during a 
symposium sponsored by the IGP and three other university programs to 
assess the final report of the U.N. Working Group on Internet Governance 
(WGIG). The event, "Regime Change on the Internet? Internet Governance 
after WGIG," was the first public forum in the United States to review the 
U.N. Working Group's report. The report will become the basis of 
international negotiations at the World Summit on the Information Society 
(WSIS) in Geneva this September. WSIS negotiations will be concluded at a 
summit in Tunisia in November 2005. The U.S. State Department, which has 
issued a call for public comment on the report, was represented at the 
symposium by Richard Beaird, Senior Deputy U.S. Coordinator of its 
Communication and Information Policy section.

Much of the discussion centered on a June 30, 2005 U.S. Commerce 
Department statement claiming that the U.S. government will "continue to 
maintain" its unilateral authority over the Internet's domain name and 
addressing system. That statement disappointed many in the global Internet 
community, who believed that the World Summit on the Information Society 
provided an opportunity to negotiate more open, multilateral governance 
arrangements.

Markus Kummer, a Swiss diplomat who coordinated the WGIG, noted in his 
speech that the U.N. Working Group identified unilateral U.S. control of 
the DNS root as one of the most important public policy issues facing the 
Internet. The WGIG was composed by an internationally diverse group of 40 
governmental representatives, business people, and public interest groups. 
Its report also called for the creation of a new "global forum" devoted to 
Internet issues where government, business, and civil society would have 
equal status.
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Fri Jul 29 18:35:05 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:35:05 -0400
Subject: [governance] press report on Wash. DC Internet Governance event
In-Reply-To: <42EAA62E.7030505@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
References: <s2e7cd68.020@gwia201.syr.edu>
	<42EAA62E.7030505@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <E1E96265-90BF-47B9-B670-FD88AD5836A6@lists.privaterra.org>


Clark Boyd from NPR/BBC was at the meeting as well. An audio archive  
of his report can be found here:

http://www.theworld.org/latesteditions/07/20050729.shtml

audio  The Internet and the U.N. (5:00)
The World Wide Web is indeed worldwide, but there's a perception that  
the United States still largely controls the internet. Now many  
countries are asking for a bigger say in how the internet runs. The  
World's Technology reporter Clark Boyd has more.

regards,

Robert


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On 29-Jul-05, at 5:57 PM, Ralf Bendrath wrote:

> Here is the first report I found about the Washington meeting.
> Ralf
>
> http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=78230&WT.svl=wire1_3
>
> US Under Pressure Over ICANN
>
> JULY 29, 2005
> PR Newswire
>
>

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