[governance] Fwd: [WSIS-CT] WSIS CS statement: almostfinal version4.1

Wed Dec 14 20:49:50 EST 2005

Parminder,

As some have already pointed out, "economies" have been used mostly in
Asia Pacific region to avoid endless political or ideological debate about
jurisdiction over certain areas, such as Taiwan, Hong Kong etc. It is
used both by governments such as APEC as well as by some Internet
community groups such as APNG, AP CERT etc, as well as ICANN.

Does your objection mean to only use "country"? Then how do you
reconcile this problem?

In these precedences, it is not meant to put ascendancy of the 'economic' 
over the
social, cultural and political and well recognized as such. I have not heard
that kind of interpretation that much.

So I beg you to accept "economies" as well. I guess it is not such "big 
deal" for us ;-)

izumi

At 23:04 05/12/14 +0530, Parminder wrote:
>Ewan
>
>Yes I am conscious of the in-exactness of the 'country' term in covering
>large geographic social aggregations we mean to cover in our
>description.....
>
>However my objection to the term 'economies' is that it has ideological
>baggage - and is keeping with the ascendancy of the 'economic' over the
>social, cultural and political.
>
>Parminder
>________________________________________________
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>IT for Change
>Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ewan SUTHERLAND [mailto:ewan at intug.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:47 PM
>To: Parminder; 'Adam Peake'; governance at lists.cpsr.org
>Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [WSIS-CT] WSIS CS statement: almost final
>version4.1
>
>Parminder
>
>"economies" is the preferred term within APEC to avoid tricky questions
>about the status of various geopolitical entities. In the EU the term is
>"member state" (25) and accession state. In the UK the term is "nation",
>there being four (England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales).
>
>The terminology is very inexact, intentionally so, and changes frequently.
>
>Ewan
>
>
>
> > 'Economies' is a one-sided description of the national societies. I don't
> > see what's wrong with 'countries'. With all its limitations this political
> > term (mostly with a socio-cultural basis) is better then the economic term
> > -'economies'.
> >
> > Parminder
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > Parminder Jeet Singh
> > IT for Change
> > Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: governance-bounces at lists.cpsr.org
> > [mailto:governance-bounces at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Adam Peake
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:18 PM
> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Subject: [governance] Fwd: [WSIS-CT] WSIS CS statement: almost final
> > version4.1
> >
> > Please see attached, seems to be a very near final version of the
> > civil society statement.
> >
> > I hope someone who has been following discussions on the list will
> > take a look and see if view are reflected.  Sorry, I've not been
> > tracking this discussion closely.
> >
> > But. The paragraph about ccTLDs should mention distinct economies,
> > not just countries. Shame there's no mention of paragraphs 69-71.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
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> > >Hi all,
> > >
> > >attached find a new version 4.1, which incorporates the input from
> > >the French and Spanish speaking folks. I had to do some
> > >copy-editing, of course, and some proposals were moved to different
> > >chapters where I felt they fit better.
> > >
> > >As there were a number of changes, especially from the Finance
> > >Caucus, I have attached a "track changes" version.
> > >
> > >--> Please have a quick look at the changes from version 4.0 to this
> > >one and let us know at <cs-dec at wsis-cs.org> if there are any
> > >problems. We can only accept language proposals that fit, no pure
> > >blaiming and complaining.
> > >
> > >We are still waiting for the outcome of discussions on two
> > >paragraphs (noted in the text), where different groups have some
> > >difficulties to come up with consensus text. I have myself developed
> > >compromise proposals for each, but am not yet sure they will be
> > >accepted.
> > >
> > >We hope to have the final version ready by tomorrow evening, so we
> > >can release it on Thursday.
> > >
> > >--> Can someone start drafting a short press release? I can't do
> > >this on top of facilitating the drafting, and we have so many
> > >professional journalists here...
> > >
> > >Best, Ralf
> > >
> > >
> > >
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