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Thu Jan 13 08:49:26 EST 2022
It makes more sense (but would take longer) to think about international
standards and limits on cyber-spionage.
Kind regards,
Lorena
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>
> Although I can understand the interest for more detailed language,
> and support us trying to get that, it is already known that States
> that have signed up to the Human Rights Treaty can not sign up to the
> necessaryandproportionate.org
> <http://necessaryandproportionate.org> principles, so such
> negotiations will fail. A counter proposal has been released by
> the Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt that reads:
>
> <http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/17280/a/226590>
>
> To this objective, let me propose seven principles I believe
> should be observed.
>
> 1. First, legality.
>
> Surveillance needs to be based on laws.
>
> These laws must be adopted in a transparent manner through a
> democratic process.
>
> The implementation of these laws should be reviewed periodically
> to ensure that the expansion of surveillance capabilities due to,
> for instance, technological advances is properly debated.
>
> 2. Second, legitimate aim.
>
> Surveillance must be conducted on the basis of a legitimate and
> well-defined aim.
>
> Surveillance measures may never be carried out in a discriminatory
> or discretionary manner and only by specified state authorities.
>
> 3. Third, necessity and adequacy.
>
> The law should justify that surveillance is necessary and adequate
> to achieve the legitimate aim.
>
> 4. Fourth, proportionality.
>
> A sound proportionality judgment must be made, to carefully assess
> whether the benefits of surveillance outweigh its negative
> consequences.
>
> 5. Fifth, judicial authority.
>
> Decisions on the use of communications surveillance should be
> taken by a competent authority.
>
> As a general rule, an independent court should take such decisions.
>
> 6. Sixth, transparency.
>
> States should be as transparent as possible about how they carry
> out surveillance.
>
> They should provide information on how the surveillance
> legislation works in practice.
>
> 7. Seventh, public oversight of parliamentary or other credible
> institutions.
>
> We need to scrutinise how the laws work, to create transparency
> and build trust and legitimacy.
>
> Our obligation as governments is to provide security and to
> respect human rights - not either or.
>
> Patrik
>
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Hmm, no word on extraterritoriality there... and since the nation
states have to apply the principles towards their own citizens,
within their own national borders and since national intelligence
agencies goals and infractions affect third parties, the legal hole
remains...<br>
From the enforcement point of view, this is going to be a tough
cookie. It makes more sense (but would take longer) to think about
international standards and limits on cyber-spionage.<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Lorena<br>
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<div>Although I can understand the interest for more
detailed language, and support us trying to get
that, it is already known that States that have
signed up to the Human Rights Treaty can not sign
up to the </div>
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principles, so such negotiations will fail. A
counter proposal has been released by the Swedish
Foreign Minister Carl Bildt that reads:</div>
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href="http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/17280/a/226590"
target="_blank">http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/17280/a/226590</a>></div>
<div> </div>
<div>To this objective, let me propose seven
principles I believe should be observed.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>1. First, legality.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Surveillance needs to be based on laws.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>These laws must be adopted in a transparent
manner through a democratic process.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The implementation of these laws should be
reviewed periodically to ensure that the expansion
of surveillance capabilities due to, for instance,
technological advances is properly debated.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>2. Second, legitimate aim.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Surveillance must be conducted on the basis of
a legitimate and well-defined aim.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Surveillance measures may never be carried out
in a discriminatory or discretionary manner and
only by specified state authorities.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>3. Third, necessity and adequacy.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The law should justify that surveillance is
necessary and adequate to achieve the legitimate
aim.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>4. Fourth, proportionality.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>A sound proportionality judgment must be made,
to carefully assess whether the benefits of
surveillance outweigh its negative consequences.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>5. Fifth, judicial authority.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Decisions on the use of communications
surveillance should be taken by a competent
authority.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>As a general rule, an independent court should
take such decisions.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>6. Sixth, transparency.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>States should be as transparent as possible
about how they carry out surveillance.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>They should provide information on how the
surveillance legislation works in practice.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>7. Seventh, public oversight of parliamentary
or other credible institutions.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>We need to scrutinise how the laws work, to
create transparency and build trust and
legitimacy.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Our obligation as governments is to provide
security and to respect human rights - not either
or.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Patrik</div>
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