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"Intelligence community sources said that this description, although
inaccurate from a technical perspective, matches the experience of analysts
at the NSA. From their workstations anywhere in the world, government
employees cleared for PRISM access may "task" the system and receive results
from an Internet company without further interaction with the company's
staff."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-company-officials-i
nternet-surveillance-does-not-indiscriminately-mine-data/2013/06/08/5b3bb234
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<span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1=
F497D'>A good discussion perhaps for a journalism school (how to characteri=
ze levels of complicity) but nothing written there changes anything materia=
l about the revelations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibr=
i","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=
=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma"=
,"sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Suresh Ramasubram=
anian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 09, 2013 4:1=
9 AM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; bestbit=
s at lists.bestbits.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Boundless Informan=
t: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data<o:p></o:p></span=
></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>And as a coun=
terpoint I would appreciate your comments on this <br><br><a href=3D"http:/=
/www.zdnet.com/the-real-story-in-the-nsa-scandal-is-the-collapse-of-journal=
ism-7000016570/">http://www.zdnet.com/the-real-story-in-the-nsa-scandal-is-=
the-collapse-of-journalism-7000016570/</a><br><br>--srs (htc one x)<o:p></o=
:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>On 9 June 2013 1:40:45 =
PM "michael gurstein" wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'm=
argin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-b=
ottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>What this below appears to say =
is that the surveillance procedures are done within and in accordance with =
a broad interpretation of US law which is, of course, designed to protect t=
he rights of US citizens (how well that is being done is another question o=
f course). </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin=
-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>What it also says is that &qu=
ot;foreigners" i.e. everyone else in the world are to be treated as po=
tential suspects and are thus fair game. Given the global reach and c=
urrent dominance of US Internet corporations and the central role of the US=
G in all aspects of global Internet activities including Internet governanc=
e (or lack thereof) and of the US based technical community in all aspects =
of the technical operation of the Internet the implications of this positio=
n need hardly be spelled out.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thus, at least in=
this context we, i.e. everyone else in the world appear to have no rights =
and little protections except those that totally outclassed institutions su=
ch as the EU or other national, privacy protection regimes might provide to=
their citizens. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'=
margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Of course, since the pa=
rties from whom the data is being acquired i.e. the dominant US Internet co=
rporations are not directly subject to any laws outside of the US and since=
they along with the USG and their civil society and technical community co=
llaborators have been so active in ensuring that no such regulatory regime =
could be created, such protections seem to be more or less non-operational.=
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><=
span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>BTW, I'm still waiting for an answer to the qu=
estion I posed earlier to McTim and others re: the position and response of=
the "technical community" to these revelations.</span><o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'col=
or:#1F497D'>M</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bot=
tom:12.0pt'>From the Washington Post, just published:<br><br>"Intellig=
ence community sources said that this description, although inaccurate from=
a technical perspective, matches the experience of analysts at the NSA. Fr=
om their workstations anywhere in the world, government employees cleared f=
or PRISM access may “task” the system and receive results from =
an Internet company without further interaction with the company’s st=
aff."<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-s=
ecurity/us-company-officials-internet-surveillance-does-not-indiscriminatel=
y-mine-data/2013/06/08/5b3bb234-d07d-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_print.html">htt=
p://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-company-officials-int=
ernet-surveillance-does-not-indiscriminately-mine-data/2013/06/08/5b3bb234-=
d07d-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_print.html</a><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>=
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