[bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps

parminder parminder at itforchange.net
Fri May 24 01:41:45 EDT 2019


Dear Becky

Thanks for your interest in this event. Unfortunately there is limited
AV support for day zero events, and we ourselves are unable to pull it off.

best regards, parminder

On 23/05/19 4:42 PM, Becky Lentz wrote:
> Hi Parminder,
>
> Is there a way to participate remotely in this important event? 
>
> Very best,
> Becky
>> Becky Lentz
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> From: <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
> <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf of parminder
> <parminder at itforchange.net <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>
> Reply-To: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>
> Date: Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 6:45 AM
> To: <governance at lists.riseup.net
> <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>>, bestbits
> <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>>
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the
> future of Bestbits: next steps
>
> Dear Anriette
>
> Thanks for this.
>
> Fortunately, we changed the timing to after lunch (200 - 415 PM), and
> so people should be able to attend both...
>
> The timing and venue now is as follows
>
>
> Just Net Colaition invites you to our workshop
> *What do social movements need to do in the age of data? Towards a
> digital justice manifesto*
>
> Venue: Hôtel LAICO Tunis (RightsCon Venue), CARTHAGE 2
> Date: June 11, 2:00-4:15 pm
>
>
> Best regards
>
> parminder
>
> On 23/05/19 3:48 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sheetal
>>
>> Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and
>> time clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not be
>> avoided?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>> -----------------------------
>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
>> Association for Progressive Communications
>> apc.org
>> afrisig.org
>> anriette at apc.org
>> On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to
>>> plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:
>>>
>>>   * Room Dougga
>>>   * June 11, _9am-12:30pm _
>>>   * Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>>>
>>> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be
>>> part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet
>>> before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed
>>> interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
>>>
>>> Hope to see many of you soon!
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Sheetal.
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>> <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Dear all, 
>>>
>>>     Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
>>>     off-thread expressing interest in the effort. 
>>>
>>>     @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at
>>>     the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if
>>>     not! Will you be at RightsCon?
>>>
>>>     On the way forward:
>>>
>>>       * Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to
>>>         attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of
>>>         course we'd like to accommodate everyone who can attend
>>>       * If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please
>>>         do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone
>>>         updated and you can input into the meeting agenda (and maybe
>>>         even the discussions if we have good wifi)
>>>
>>>     Best
>>>     Sheetal.
>>>
>>>     On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov
>>>     <ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Dear all,
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could
>>>         inquire if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes
>>>         place.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Please let me know.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Bach Avezdjanov
>>>
>>>         Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>
>>>         Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>>>
>>>         Phone: 212 854 1591
>>>
>>>         Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>         [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] *On Behalf Of
>>>         *Lee W McKnight
>>>         *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>>         *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi
>>>         Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>         <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt <
>>>         governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>         <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance; Sheetal
>>>         Kumar
>>>         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey
>>>         on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Hi,
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
>>>         Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and
>>>         the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss
>>>         overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on Internet
>>>         Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation
>>>         and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and
>>>         Principles among other positive outcomes. 
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out
>>>         of this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help
>>>         energize also the cross-CS coordination right? 
>>>
>>>         Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and
>>>         methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty
>>>         meeting feel (at times to this prof).
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>         *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>         <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf of
>>>         Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>         <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>         *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>>         *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
>>>         muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>         <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt <
>>>         governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>         <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance
>>>         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey
>>>         on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Dear all
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Following our discussions, and some discussions among some
>>>         of  those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago
>>>         (notes & participants here: 
>>>         https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see
>>>         below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward
>>>         plan going forward.
>>>
>>>           * IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise
>>>             a day 0 event at IGF
>>>           * Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal
>>>             steering committee to organise the event - you don't
>>>             have to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can
>>>             agree how to approach the organisation of the event
>>>             however they see fit
>>>           * Members of other lists are invited to join once an
>>>             informal agenda has been put together
>>>           * Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in
>>>             this effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas -
>>>             to include the idea of focusing the day 0 event on
>>>             reviving IGC (and many others that have already been
>>>             proposed)
>>>
>>>         Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like
>>>         we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope
>>>         you will agree that the discussions had so far, the interest
>>>         and commitment to global level coordination, would be
>>>         usefully served by collectively putting together an agenda
>>>         that responds to the interests of those committed to these
>>>         efforts.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Please provide your views on this.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Best
>>>
>>>         Sheetal.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>>         <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Dear all,
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I
>>>             have the recording I'll send it around. In the meantime,
>>>             you can see a short summary at the top of the etherpad.
>>>             Apologies for its staccato nature but it should provide
>>>             an overview of what we discussed:
>>>             https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>             <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             In essence, we discussed the reasons that these
>>>             discussions about civil society coordination have
>>>             recently re-surfaced and those on the call reiterated
>>>             the commitment to global-level coordination and the need
>>>             to work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at
>>>             the survey results and discussed the fact that although
>>>             about half of the respondents supported exploring a
>>>             'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding
>>>             the mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However,
>>>             those on the call mentioned that the historical standing
>>>             of the IGC is important to leverage and there is
>>>             complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates.
>>>             Therefore, we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose
>>>             to do going forward.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             We discussed that proposing something more concrete to
>>>             the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger'
>>>             could work. We were cognizant of the limited number of
>>>             the people on the call, so we agreed to put something
>>>             short together and then to share it with you for your
>>>             feedback before sharing it with IGC. At the moment,
>>>             we're working on that simple proposal to share with you.
>>>             I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants
>>>             to chime in with more information please do.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Best
>>>
>>>             Sheetal.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen
>>>             <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>>>             <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust
>>>                 someone will
>>>                 report on the meeting.
>>>
>>>                 Regards,
>>>
>>>                 -- 
>>>                 Tapani Tarvainen
>>>
>>>                 On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar
>>>                 (sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:
>>>
>>>                 > Dear all,
>>>                 >
>>>                 > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be
>>>                 meeting in under an hour at 1
>>>                 > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Best
>>>                 > Sheetal.
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Meeting room details
>>>                 >
>>>                 > *Meeting URL*
>>>                 > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Meeting ID
>>>                 > 524 189 381
>>>                 > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>                 > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>                 > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>                 > (see all numbers -
>>>                 https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Connecting from a room system?
>>>                 > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and
>>>                 enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>>                 >
>>>                 > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar
>>>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 >
>>>                 > > Dear all
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > As promised, please find below the details for
>>>                 meeting us on *Wednesday,
>>>                 > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda
>>>                 further below too.
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Best
>>>                 > > Sheetal.
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Meeting room details
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > *Meeting URL*
>>>                 > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Meeting ID
>>>                 > > 524 189 381
>>>                 > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>                 > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>                 > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>                 > > (see all numbers -
>>>                 https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Connecting from a room system?
>>>                 > > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152
>>>                 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the
>>>                 discussion around
>>>                 > > improving coordination are welcome so please
>>>                 share with anyone relevant.
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Suggested agenda
>>>                 > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this
>>>                 discussion/a recap of what's happened
>>>                 > > so far
>>>                 > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>                 > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>                 > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian
>>>                 muthusamy <
>>>                 > > 6.internet at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has
>>>                 reached the participants of
>>>                 > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking
>>>                 that "discussion about
>>>                 > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If
>>>                 riseup.net <http://riseup.net> is working,
>>>                 > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >> Thank you.
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                 <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>                 > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>                 <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter
>>>                 Taiwo <
>>>                 > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying
>>>                 igcaucus.org <http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
>>>                 > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on
>>>                 riseup.net <http://riseup.net> mailing-list.
>>>                 > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are
>>>                 trying to do so as to be
>>>                 > >>> able to help.
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 > >>> Regards.
>>>                 > >>> Peter
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian
>>>                 muthusamy <
>>>                 > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 > >>>>
>>>                 > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided
>>>                 by the Bestbits list to
>>>                 > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here
>>>                 on a different problem. The
>>>                 > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving
>>>                 messages, who is managing the
>>>                 > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>>                 > >>>>
>>>                 > >>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                 <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>                 > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>                 <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>>                 > >>>>
>>>                 > >>>>
>>>                 > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter
>>>                 Taiwo <
>>>                 > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey
>>>                 should be limited to
>>>                 > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about
>>>                 merging should be limited to
>>>                 > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to
>>>                 do a kind of an independent
>>>                 > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of
>>>                 whether the group should cease
>>>                 > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some
>>>                 folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>>                 > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly
>>>                 shared some contacts on the
>>>                 > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the
>>>                 privacy issue you are referring to.
>>>                 > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the
>>>                 picture of any privacy issue that
>>>                 > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw
>>>                 more light on this.
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of
>>>                 CSCG, part of our
>>>                 > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil
>>>                 society organization in the
>>>                 > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the
>>>                 individual wearing many hat remains.
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> Regards.
>>>                 > >>>>> Peter
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM
>>>                 Sivasubramanian M <
>>>                 > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net
>>>                 <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a
>>>                 limited response, only
>>>                 > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC
>>>                 list?  Possibly the poll
>>>                 > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are
>>>                 subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>                 > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says
>>>                 "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>                 > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of
>>>                 engagement in these
>>>                 > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil
>>>                 society coordination, and I know
>>>                 > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing
>>>                 motivation. The conversations have
>>>                 > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in
>>>                 changing the current situation
>>>                 > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a
>>>                 coordination network), and
>>>                 > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen
>>>                 global civil society coordination
>>>                 > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and
>>>                 the survey which gathered a
>>>                 > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful.
>>>                 I attached a summary report of
>>>                 > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last
>>>                 IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>                 > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this
>>>                 year. Before we do that however, it
>>>                 > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to
>>>                 the survey and agree a way
>>>                 > >>>>>>> forward.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a
>>>                 suggested agenda. It would be
>>>                 > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March
>>>                 so I can confirm the date and
>>>                 > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>                 > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>                 > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>                 > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy
>>>                 and contributions so far!
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who
>>>                 completed the survey. I have
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text
>>>                 document, with a summary included
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split
>>>                 call, with the first half
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and
>>>                 suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed
>>>                 necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that
>>>                 as a separate call too.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the
>>>                 survey have been to find a way
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society
>>>                 coordination, and thus to change
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that
>>>                 they help in finding a way
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing,
>>>                 responds to the widest possible
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any
>>>                 other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send
>>>                 around a doodle for a follow up
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> call.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of
>>>                 responses but it would be great
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the
>>>                 future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that
>>>                 would be much appreciated.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ <http://bestbits.net/>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for
>>>                 another call to decide next
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the
>>>                 survey so thank you to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do
>>>                 lend your views if you can,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey
>>>                 responses will feed into the next set
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ <http://bestbits.net/>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on
>>>                 this thread, please see a
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on
>>>                 the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of
>>>                 Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be
>>>                 circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background
>>>                 information note which
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions
>>>                 so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing
>>>                 list, you are invited to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future
>>>                 discussions in a timely way, please
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*.
>>>                 Should you have any
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to
>>>                 get in touch.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated
>>>                 in the call yesterday. For
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call,
>>>                 you'll find the list of participants
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the
>>>                 possible ways forward for
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous
>>>                 conversation in December and the
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general
>>>                 agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in
>>>                 fulfilling their objectives,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to
>>>                 coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather
>>>                 perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It
>>>                 was suggested that this survey with
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a
>>>                 decision on the future of the
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be
>>>                 circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be
>>>                 greatly appreciated.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that
>>>                 the call on next steps is
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February
>>>                 from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous
>>>                 email and I've updated the
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07,
>>>                 Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the
>>>                 doodle! It seems the best time
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on
>>>                 February 11*. The full
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how
>>>                 to join, are below.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up
>>>                 the room. Looking forward
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as
>>>                 possible on the 11th!
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC
>>>                 <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc
>>>                 <http://bjn.vc> -or-199.48.152.152
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San
>>>                 Jose))
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers -
>>>                 http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in,
>>>                 your phone number will
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page.
>>>                 We would like to record and share the
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on
>>>                 the mailing list. Please let us know if
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be
>>>                 shared on an open mailing list if you
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the
>>>                 Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a
>>>                 merger + other options
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>>                 challenges and issues faced in
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>>                 merger of lists/establishment
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo -
>>>                 using lists as information sharing
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>>                 steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those
>>>                 who indicated they were available for
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course,
>>>                 as a Bestbits member you can join the
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the
>>>                 pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13,
>>>                 Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the
>>>                 engagement on this topic, and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared
>>>                 their perspectives and the relevant
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call
>>>                 we agreed to touch base
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to
>>>                 agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the
>>>                 discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle
>>>                 for our second call to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a
>>>                 suggested agenda:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>>                 challenges and issues faced
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>>                 merger of lists/establishment
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo,
>>>                 e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>                 approach
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>>                 steps/agreement on process for
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future
>>>                 of Bestbits
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who
>>>                 arranged the last call, we
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are
>>>                 invited but that we also reach out to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide
>>>                 some background and inform the discussion
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the
>>>                 doodle by the end of next
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a
>>>                 time and send the conference room link
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10,
>>>                 Deirdre Williams <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this
>>>                 discussion with care, and have a
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to
>>>                 fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped
>>>                 sharing
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/
>>>                 working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two
>>>                 groups again really improve participation?
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look
>>>                 at what needs to be done,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want
>>>                 to do it?
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same
>>>                 as the people who started
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same
>>>                 objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these
>>>                 questions it seems unlikely that
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please
>>>                 consider IRPC (which many
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is
>>>                 currently having some difficulty with
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry
>>>                 out management tasks for the group.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means
>>>                 to discuss issues and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this
>>>                 the right way to do that now or do we need
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09,
>>>                 Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au
>>>                 <mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the
>>>                 first Steering Committee
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more
>>>                 information about how it was
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had
>>>                 become toxic and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had
>>>                 been a while since it had
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At
>>>                 the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to
>>>                 collaborate on joint action
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between
>>>                 people both inside and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the
>>>                 first volunteer steering
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society
>>>                 politics that had driven
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt
>>>                 Best Bits too. There were
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about
>>>                 various participants having
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough
>>>                 about their own funding.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been
>>>                 fairly lightweight and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of
>>>                 accountability resulted in
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more
>>>                 elaborate set of rules
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too
>>>                 heavy and people weren't
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes,
>>>                 indicating that the more
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing
>>>                 people who could
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections,
>>>                 I'd be all for that. But I
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have
>>>                 given as much time to it as
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my
>>>                 energy on my new nonprofit
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy
>>>                 advocate, geek
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr
>>>                 '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 ____________________________________________________________
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a
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>>>                 settings, visit:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     
>>>                 http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty
>>>                 is not money but
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur
>>>                 Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>                 DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>                 DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
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>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
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>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
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>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
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>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>>>                 E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
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>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > --
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>>                 F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>>                 > > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > >
>>>                 >
>>>                 > --
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
>>>                 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F
>>>                 > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>                 >
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>>>             -- 
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>
>>>             Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>
>>>             Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>
>>>             T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>             173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>
>>>         Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>
>>>         Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>
>>>         T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>         PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>         E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     *
>>>     *
>>>     *
>>>     *
>>>     *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>     Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>     Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>     T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>     PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>     0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
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