From amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com  Wed May  1 00:13:38 2019
From: amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com (Amrita)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 09:43:38 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [Invitation]: Call on UNSG High Level Panel on
 digital cooperation draft report
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Hi Sheetal 

 

I wish to attend the call if possible.

 

Regards

 

Amrita

 

From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Jean F. Quéralt
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Hi, Sheetal. 

 

Count me in. 

 

Best, 

Jean 

 

On April 30, 2019 01:40:51 Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:

Dear all, 

 

For anyone interested in commenting on the draft report of the UNSG's High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation, they have agreed to host a call with wider civil society on 02 May, Thursday 13:00 UTC. 

 

On this call, they'll present three models for digital cooperation which form part of the report as well as the values and principles section of the report. 

 

If you're interested in attending, they've requested to do it on a first-come, first served basis so please reply to me on this thread if you want to join and I'll share the joining details. 

 

Unfortunately there isn't any material that can be shared from the report beforehand but there is some information here: https://dig.watch/sessions/road-testing-governance-models-secretary-general%E2%80%99s-high-level-panel-digital-cooperation 

 

Best

Sheetal.


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Dear Sheetal, dear all.

My support for all the below mentioned.

Best,
Jean

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:41 AM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
wrote:

> Dear all
>
> Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of  those of us
> who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants here:
> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see below what some
> of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going forward.
>
>    - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a day 0
>    event at IGF
>    - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal steering
>    committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as
>    'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation
>    of the event however they see fit
>    - Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal agenda
>    has been put together
>    - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this effort
>    come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of
>    focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already
>    been proposed)
>
> Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've now
> decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the
> discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level
> coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an
> agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.
>
> Please provide your views on this.
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the recording
>> I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary at the
>> top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should
>> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>
>>
>> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about civil
>> society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call
>> reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work
>> together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
>> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported
>> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the
>> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call
>> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage
>> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore,
>> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>>
>> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC would be
>> helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the
>> limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put something
>> short together and then to share it with you for your feedback before
>> sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple proposal
>> to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants
>> to chime in with more information please do.
>>
>> If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>
>> Best
>> Sheetal.
>>
>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
>>> report on the meeting.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>>
>>> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dear all,
>>> >
>>> > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour
>>> at 1
>>> > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>> >
>>> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>> >
>>> > Best
>>> > Sheetal.
>>> >
>>> > Meeting room details
>>> >
>>> > *Meeting URL*
>>> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>> >
>>> > Meeting ID
>>> > 524 189 381
>>> > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>> >
>>> > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>> >
>>> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>> >
>>> > Connecting from a room system?
>>> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Dear all
>>> > >
>>> > > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on
>>> *Wednesday,
>>> > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
>>> > >
>>> > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>> > >
>>> > > Best
>>> > > Sheetal.
>>> > >
>>> > > Meeting room details
>>> > >
>>> > > *Meeting URL*
>>> > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>> > >
>>> > > Meeting ID
>>> > > 524 189 381
>>> > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>> > >
>>> > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>> > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>> > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>> > > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>> > >
>>> > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>> > >
>>> > > Connecting from a room system?
>>> > > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>> > >
>>> > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
>>> > > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone
>>> relevant.
>>> > >
>>> > > Suggested agenda
>>> > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's
>>> happened
>>> > > so far
>>> > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>> > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>> > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>> > > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the
>>> participants of
>>> > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
>>> > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is
>>> working,
>>> > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thank you.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Sivasubramanian M <
>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>> > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>> > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox
>>> is not
>>> > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net
>>> mailing-list.
>>> > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as
>>> to be
>>> > >>> able to help.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Regards.
>>> > >>> Peter
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>> > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list
>>> to
>>> > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different
>>> problem. The
>>> > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing
>>> the
>>> > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Sivasubramanian M <
>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>> > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>> > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
>>> > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be
>>> limited to
>>> > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an
>>> independent
>>> > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group
>>> should cease
>>> > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC
>>> group wants IGC
>>> > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on
>>> the
>>> > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are
>>> referring to.
>>> > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy
>>> issue that
>>> > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
>>> > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society
>>> organization in the
>>> > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many
>>> hat remains.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Regards.
>>> > >>>>> Peter
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>>> > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
>>> > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the
>>> poll
>>> > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to
>>> the IGC list.
>>> > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits"
>>> rather than
>>> > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>> > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination,
>>> and I know
>>> > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The
>>> conversations have
>>> > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current
>>> situation
>>> > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>> > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society
>>> coordination
>>> > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which
>>> gathered a
>>> > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a
>>> summary report of
>>> > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there
>>> was discussion
>>> > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that
>>> however, it
>>> > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree
>>> a way
>>> > >>>>>>> forward.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It
>>> would be
>>> > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm
>>> the date and
>>> > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>> > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>> > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>> > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions
>>> so far!
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>>> > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a
>>> summary included
>>> > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first
>>> half
>>> > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45
>>> minutes-1
>>> > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC
>>> founders and other
>>> > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call
>>> too.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find
>>> a way
>>> > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to
>>> change
>>> > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in
>>> finding a way
>>> > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the
>>> widest possible
>>> > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on
>>> how to proceed,
>>> > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for
>>> a follow up
>>> > >>>>>>>> call.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be
>>> great
>>> > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If
>>> you could fill
>>> > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much
>>> appreciated.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to
>>> decide next
>>> > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if
>>> you can,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed
>>> into the next set
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see
>>> a
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of
>>> Bestbits. Following a
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as
>>> members of IGC, it
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather
>>> views of all members.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note
>>> which
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to
>>> the summaries of
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited
>>> to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a
>>> timely way, please
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call
>>> yesterday. For
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list
>>> of participants
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward
>>> for
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in
>>> December and the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both
>>> Bestbits and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their
>>> objectives,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed
>>> to circulate a
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four
>>> suggested ways forward
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that
>>> this survey with
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the
>>> future of the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both
>>> lists shortly,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next
>>> steps is
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The
>>> full
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've
>>> updated the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <
>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best
>>> time
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking
>>> forward
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <
>>> http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to
>>> record and share the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list.
>>> Please let us know if
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open
>>> mailing list if you
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC
>>> lists,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
>>> faced in
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>>> lists/establishment
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as
>>> information sharing
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>> decision
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>> >and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they
>>> were available for
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member
>>> you can join the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just
>>> to have a vague idea
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic,
>>> and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and
>>> the relevant
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch
>>> base
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward.
>>> The discussions here
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh
>>> has kindly offered to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
>>> faced
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>>> lists/establishment
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as
>>> information sharing
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we
>>> also reach out to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and
>>> inform the discussion
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of
>>> next
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the
>>> conference room link
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and
>>> have a
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with
>>> what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together
>>> within IGC and Bestbits
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really
>>> improve participation?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be
>>> done,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who
>>> started
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions
>>> and perspectives, same
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely
>>> that
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which
>>> many
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some
>>> difficulty with
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks
>>> for the group.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues
>>> and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do
>>> that now or do we need
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering
>>> Committee
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since
>>> it had
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the
>>> 2012 ITU
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint
>>> action
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer
>>> steering
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had
>>> driven
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There
>>> were
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants
>>> having
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own
>>> funding.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability
>>> resulted in
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of
>>> rules
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people
>>> weren't
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the
>>> more
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that.
>>> But I
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it
>>> as
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new
>>> nonprofit
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget
>>> -q -i
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the
>>> list:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize
>>> Economics, 1979
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> E9E2
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>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> > >>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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>>> > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>> > >>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>> > >>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> ---
>>> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
>>> > >>>>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> <
>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>> > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>> > >>>>> <
>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> --
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>> >
>>> > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>> > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>> > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>> DD7F
>>> > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>> > ____________________________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>
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From: carolina.rossini at gmail.com (Carolina Rossini)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 13:17:53 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: How a driver's ethnicity affects economic outcomes
 in ride-sharing: new research
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From matthias.kettemann at gmail.com  Tue May 14 07:28:24 2019
From: matthias.kettemann at gmail.com (Matthias C. Kettemann)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 13:28:24 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] Busted! The Truth About the 50 Most Common Internet
 Myths: Your Chance to Participate
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Dear Internet users, researchers, and activists,
dear friends and colleagues,

The Internet never forgets ... and on the Internet, nobody knows you are a
dog ... Is the Internet a dangerous place ruled by bots? Are states the
enemies of a free Internet? Do human rights apply online? Is there a future
for the Global South on the Internet? Are data monopolies unstoppable? And
is the Internet full of fake news? Or is all the talk about fake news
actually fake news?

We have been commissioned to edit a book busting these and other common
Internet myths ("Busted! The Truth About the 50 Most Common Internet Myths
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JqnwcB56ae7N0jc7CrvscGZKaRDWq_mZEZXO9LIFSqc/edit>").
It will be published in English and German this fall in the run-up to the
Internet Governance Forum in Berlin 2019, both online and in print and will
be widely distributed, including to all IGF participants on-site.

At this stage we ask you to help us identify the most common Internet
myths, that is misconceptions (accidental or on purpose) about the impact
and reality of the internet and internet-based communication in the wider
sense.

We are looking for the most popular (or unpopular) Internet myths. After
collecting 100 of them we will get back to you and vote on which 50 myths
should make it into the book.

Please enter your suggestions using this form
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScm0b9LOjSO-PrJzu4eNDMSLhJrSOeLvrnqNkFzAwuvmT8xvQ/viewform>
by Tuesday, 21 May 2019.

Do you feel like you could write the debunking story (around 450 words, by
15 July 2019), too? Then please add this as well in the form.

Do you know of someone who could be an Internet mythbuster? Then feel free
to forward them this invitation.

In the age of uncertainty, we invite you to participate in an exciting book
that seeks to make Internet myths a thing of the past. If you have any
queries, please contact us at m.kettemann at leibniz-hbi.de and
s.dreyer at leibniz-hbi.de.

Matthias and Stephan

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Dr. Matthias C. Kettemann and Dr. Stephan Dreyer
Leibniz Institute for Media Research | Hans-Bredow-Institut (HBI), Hamburg,
Germany
Rothenbaumchaussee 36 | 20148 Hamburg | Germany

Leibniz Institute for Media Research | Hans-Bredow-Institut (HBI)
Head of Research | Research Program *Regulatory *
*Structures and the Emergence of Rules in Online Spaces*
Rothenbaumchaussee 36 | 20148 Hamburg | Germany
mail <m.kettemann at hans-bredow-institut.de> | web
<https://hans-bredow-institut.de/en/staff/matthias-c-kettemann> | +49 (0)40
45 02 17 36

Associated Researcher | Alexander von Humboldt Institute for Internet and
Society (HIIG) <https://www.hiig.de/matthias-kettemann/>, Berlin
Affiliated Researcher | Cluster of Excellence „
<http://www.normativeorders.net/de/organisation/mitarbeiter-a-z/person/442>Normative
Orders
<http://www.normativeorders.net/de/organisation/mitarbeiter-a-z/person/442>”
<http://www.normativeorders.net/de/organisation/mitarbeiter-a-z/person/442>,
University
of Frankfurt am Main
Lecturer | Institute of International Law and International Relations
<http://voelkerrecht.uni-graz.at/en/>, University of Graz, Austria

--

See my research on disinformation
<https://www.sef-bonn.org/en/publications/global-governance-spotlight/22019.html>
, cybersecurity,
<http://www.revista-redi.es/es/articulos/ciberseguridad-y-derecho-internacional/>Internet
Governance,
<http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/frontdoor/index/index/docId/48008>international
internet law, <https://library.fes.de/pdf-files/akademie/12068.pdf> freedom
of expression,
<http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/frontdoor/index/index/year/2017/docId/43690>right
to internet access,
<https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/das-recht-auf-internet-zwischen-voelkerrecht-staatsrecht-und-europarecht/>German
Network Enforcement Act (NetzDG)
<https://www.intgovforum-deutschland.org/uploads/2/6/8/1/26813832/igf-d_balanced_briefing_netzdg_%5Bd%5D.pdf>

New study: Kettemann, International Rules for Social Media. Safeguarding
human rights, combating disinformation, Global Governance Spotlight 2/2019
<https://www.sef-bonn.org/en/publications/global-governance-spotlight/22019.html>
(Development and Peace Foundation (sef:), Bonn, 2019) (auch auf Deutsch
<http://www.sef-bonn.org/publikationen/global-governance-spotlight/22019.html>
)

New book: Wagner/Kettemann/Vieth (eds.), Research Handbook on Human Rights
and Digital Technology
<https://www.e-elgar.com/shop/research-handbook-on-human-rights-and-digital-technology>
(Cheltenham:
Edward Elgar, 2019)

New Working Paper: Kettemann, Die normative Ordnung der Cyber-Sicherheit
<http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/files/48873/Matthias_Kettemann_Cyber-Sicherheit.pdf>,

Normative Orders Working Paper 01/2019
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Tue May 14 10:53:54 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 16:53:54 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Community input for Chrustchurch call
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From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 14, 2019 at 4:53 PM
Subject: Community input for Chrustchurch call
To: governance <governance at lists.riseup.net>


Here is the link to our final community input to Christchurch call.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RfXLUnx662mmOJv3Z2c0NXEpsAXS8HGN/view



We are tweeting live using #christchurchcallvoices  hashtag.


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Farzaneh
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From carolina.rossini at gmail.com  Tue May 14 14:17:28 2019
From: carolina.rossini at gmail.com (Carolina Rossini)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 14:17:28 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: New CIMA Report: How Social Media Taxes Can Burden
 News Outlets: The Case of Uganda
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From: Center for International Media Assistance <cima at ned.org>
Date: Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:07 PM
Subject: New CIMA Report: How Social Media Taxes Can Burden News Outlets:
The Case of Uganda
To: <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>


Read CIMA's latest report


*An initiative of the National Endowment for Democracy*
* ​*


*The Center for International Media Assistance is pleased to release*

*How Social Media Taxes Can Burden News Outlets:*
*The Case of Uganda*
<http://elink.clickdimensions.com/c/4/?T=NDE5OTE1MjI%3AMDItYjE5MTM0LWNkNjE3YWY1NTM2NjRhNThhMmQwZDJmMzVmZDdlYzYy%3AY2Fyb2xpbmEucm9zc2luaUBnbWFpbC5jb20%3AY29udGFjdC03YzYxODE3ZjRlMzBlNzExODBkOTAwNTA1NmE0NTZjZS0xZWU3NTBiMzc2NjE0MjhjYmI5NWJkMDJmOTYzMTJkNQ%3AZmFsc2U%3AMA%3A%3AaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuY2ltYS5uZWQub3JnL3B1YmxpY2F0aW9uL2hvdy1zb2NpYWwtbWVkaWEtdGF4ZXMtY2FuLWJ1cmRlbi1uZXdzLW91dGxldHMtdGhlLWNhc2Utb2YtdWdhbmRhLz9fY2xkZWU9WTJGeWIyeHBibUV1Y205emMybHVhVUJuYldGcGJDNWpiMjAlM2QmcmVjaXBpZW50aWQ9Y29udGFjdC03YzYxODE3ZjRlMzBlNzExODBkOTAwNTA1NmE0NTZjZS0xZWU3NTBiMzc2NjE0MjhjYmI5NWJkMDJmOTYzMTJkNSZlc2lkPTU1MjEyNGQ5LTVkNzMtZTkxMS04MGZkLTAwNTA1NmE0NTZjZQ&K=FV2mpOdp_2iPk6D4Io3OgQ>

Almost a year ago, Uganda implemented the first-of-its-kind social media
tax on individual users. To access social media and services, citizens are
now required to pay a 200 Ugandan shillings (approximately 5 US cents)
daily tax. Critics charge that rather than raising revenue, the ultimate
goal of this policy is to stifle freedom of expression online. They point
to how the tax has caused an immediate drop in internet use, stifled
economic growth, and yet failed to generate meaningful income. As audiences
worldwide report accessing news via social media, how has this new tax
impacted how Ugandans are getting news and information?

In CIMA's latest digital report, "*How Social Media Taxes Can Burden News
Outlets: The Case of Uganda*
<http://elink.clickdimensions.com/c/4/?T=NDE5OTE1MjI%3AMDItYjE5MTM0LWNkNjE3YWY1NTM2NjRhNThhMmQwZDJmMzVmZDdlYzYy%3AY2Fyb2xpbmEucm9zc2luaUBnbWFpbC5jb20%3AY29udGFjdC03YzYxODE3ZjRlMzBlNzExODBkOTAwNTA1NmE0NTZjZS0xZWU3NTBiMzc2NjE0MjhjYmI5NWJkMDJmOTYzMTJkNQ%3AZmFsc2U%3AMQ%3A%3AaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuY2ltYS5uZWQub3JnL3B1YmxpY2F0aW9uL2hvdy1zb2NpYWwtbWVkaWEtdGF4ZXMtY2FuLWJ1cmRlbi1uZXdzLW91dGxldHMtdGhlLWNhc2Utb2YtdWdhbmRhLz9fY2xkZWU9WTJGeWIyeHBibUV1Y205emMybHVhVUJuYldGcGJDNWpiMjAlM2QmcmVjaXBpZW50aWQ9Y29udGFjdC03YzYxODE3ZjRlMzBlNzExODBkOTAwNTA1NmE0NTZjZS0xZWU3NTBiMzc2NjE0MjhjYmI5NWJkMDJmOTYzMTJkNSZlc2lkPTU1MjEyNGQ5LTVkNzMtZTkxMS04MGZkLTAwNTA1NmE0NTZjZQ&K=gymzImor6U8_dhdjZ7WjPA>,"
Juliet Nanfuka examines the impact of the social media tax on news
circulation and reporting. She finds that the negative effects are less
direct and arguably more pernicious than might be expected. While many new
websites have not seen a noticeable dip in readership yet, journalists have
reported a marked drop in engagement online. Ultimately, Nanfuka argues
that the tax is a step in the wrong direction. Given that other countries
in the region are contemplating similar measures, the possible implications
reach far beyond Uganda.

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*For more information on the Center for International Media Assistance,
please explore our website at www.cima.ned.org
<http://elink.clickdimensions.com/c/4/?T=NDE5OTE1MjI%3AMDItYjE5MTM0LWNkNjE3YWY1NTM2NjRhNThhMmQwZDJmMzVmZDdlYzYy%3AY2Fyb2xpbmEucm9zc2luaUBnbWFpbC5jb20%3AY29udGFjdC03YzYxODE3ZjRlMzBlNzExODBkOTAwNTA1NmE0NTZjZS0xZWU3NTBiMzc2NjE0MjhjYmI5NWJkMDJmOTYzMTJkNQ%3AZmFsc2U%3AMg%3A%3AaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuY2ltYS5uZWQub3JnLz9fY2xkZWU9WTJGeWIyeHBibUV1Y205emMybHVhVUJuYldGcGJDNWpiMjAlM2QmcmVjaXBpZW50aWQ9Y29udGFjdC03YzYxODE3ZjRlMzBlNzExODBkOTAwNTA1NmE0NTZjZS0xZWU3NTBiMzc2NjE0MjhjYmI5NWJkMDJmOTYzMTJkNSZlc2lkPTU1MjEyNGQ5LTVkNzMtZTkxMS04MGZkLTAwNTA1NmE0NTZjZQ&K=bDVhtByvV8yKcGMvvUOf7Q>,
or contact us at CIMA at ned.org <cima at ned.org>. *
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*FOLLOW CIMA*

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From carolina.rossini at gmail.com  Wed May 15 08:26:16 2019
From: carolina.rossini at gmail.com (Carolina Rossini)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 08:26:16 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Why power needs protest
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---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Micah White <mwhite at activist.boutique>
Date: Wed, May 15, 2019 at 8:25 AM
Subject: Why power needs protest
To: <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>


I'm heading to Paris to present a talk at the Organisation for Economic
Co-operation and Development (OECD) annual gathering. The OECD is one of
those international organizations that I vehemently protested against
during the anti-globalization movement. Now they've asked to listen.

The audience for my talk at the OECD will be, almost exclusively,
representatives of nation states, corporations and elites committed to
globalism.

Here's what I will say to this powerful audience:

*Use the momentum of social protest to achieve great changes.*

Read on for a preview of my OECD talk on why activism is becoming
indispensable to power:

[Click here to read these remarks in your browser
<https://links3.mixmaxusercontent.com/5c13f59f9a12700f4ca42030/l/jtR37daDRsYzq2X6p?messageId=TY13OIHQihhtcD3qK&rn=&re=gIt92YuwWah12ZAlmbpN3cvJnLh5Was9mchNmI&sc=false>
]

*Activism is Fundamental to the New Social Contract*

The social movements that emerge when an activist is young deeply influence
the protests they will create or envision in the future. For me, as a high
school activist, it was the anti-globalisation movement—in particular, the
spectacular Battle in Seattle that shut down the World Trade Organization
meeting in 1999—that would indelibly mark my sense of what a protest ought
to look like. This conception would later shape Occupy Wall Street, a
social movement that I co-created in 2011.

In protesting against the bureaucratic gatherings of international
institutions, the anti-globalisation movement drew attention to global
organisations, trade agreements and ideologies that have an outsized impact
on local communities. Activists woke the public up and got them protesting
in large numbers—over 30,000 participated in the Seattle protests—with the
rallying cry that the difficulties their communities faced were being
caused by the decisions of distant elites.

[Invite Micah White to speak at your next event.
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]

The movement of movements, as it would later be called affectionately by
organisers when the movement grew to encompass many different causes,
demonstrated the capacity of disciplined activists to outwit police and
disrupt international structures that are otherwise untouchable. The direct
action activists who descended on Seattle brought lock-box protest methods
that were developed by anti-abortion activists and refined by anti-logging
activists. Above all, the anti-globalisation protests pioneered new ways of
decentralised, leaderless and internet-enabled organising—from Indymedia to
spokescouncils—that have become fundamental to the contemporary activist
social imaginary, the shared conception of what activist ought to look
like.

The eruption of social movements serves to funnel new recruits deeper into
the culture of protest. My participation in anti-globalisation protests led
me to Adbusters magazine, anti-consumerism and anti-corporatism. And from
there, as an editor at Adbusters, it inspired me to co-create Occupy Wall
Street, a social movement that spread to 82 countries in 2011.

Now, 17 years after I protested in New York City against the World Economic
Forum, I am speaking at the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and
Development (OECD) Forum in Paris, a gathering of developed nation states,
corporations and civil society committed to globalisation. The OECD founded
the Forum in 2000, partly in response to the anti-globalisation movement.

When I reflect upon how activism has changed in the two decades since the
creation of the OECD Forum, I am struck by two significant evolutions that
members of the OECD ought to be attuned to: the role of activism has
changed and the form of activism is changing.

1. The Role of Activism Has Changed

Against the backdrop of a world in crisis, social movements have emerged as
key players in determining how the future will play out. While
traditionally seen as a manifestation of dissent, protest movements today
are increasingly conceived as one of the key forces vying to mobilise
public support for bold, historic action by governments on a range of
issues, from climate change-induced migration to gender equity.

Moreover, from a governmental perspective, the global challenges facing
humanity will likely require a level of popular participation of the
citizenry that is potentially on par with a wartime mobilisation. Social
movements have the potential to provide governments with this active, broad
participation in an efficient organic way without resort to military
conscription.

This shifting role of activism was anticipated by the United States
National Intelligence Council in its most recent Global Trends Report
(2017):

The most powerful actors of the future will be states, groups, and
individuals who can leverage material capabilities, relationships, and
information in a more rapid, integrated, and adaptive mode than in
generations past. They will use material capabilities to create influence
and in some instances to secure or deny outcomes. They will demonstrate
“power in outcome”, however, by mobilizing large-scale constituencies of
support, using information to persuade or manipulate societies and states
to their causes.

This concept of “power in outcome” is immensely useful for understanding
why international institutions now need activists and why an activist like
myself has been invited to address members of the OECD. It is no longer
sufficient to be materially powerful: the sovereign power must also
demonstrate a high-level immaterial power through the active engagement of
its citizenry.

That the powerful actors now need to mobilise “large-scale constituencies
of support”—a skill that activists have demonstrated a remarkable aptitude
for—has initiated a tussle over control of these new social movements, the
activists who create them and the social networks that facilitate their
spread. Will the social movements be right or left, revolutionary or
reformist, nationalist or globalist, civil or violent? And, above all, will
the movements be legitimately grassroots or remotely fomented by foreign
governments? Elsewhere, I have described this phenomenon as social movement
warfare to emphasise the ways in which activism is increasingly utilized as
a strategic option to achieve foreign policy objectives.

Activism, once suppressed by governments, is being absorbed by governments
who wish to go beyond co-optation—the goal now is the creation and control
of these movements. And while it may be easier to cast this struggle to
control activism in a purely negative light, there is clearly an upside:
activists now have an opportunity to play a significant role in the outcome
of events that will impact us all.

2. The Form of Activism is Changing

The changing role of activism in society has fueled an evolution in the
form of activism, from a critique of globalisation to an embrace of
globalised activism.

In order to confront global forces, activists in the anti-globalisation
movement were forced to create a social movement that was “as planetary as
capital itself, and hence capable of doing battle with it”. I’m quoting the
Invisible Committee here, the anonymous radical collective whose
publication The Coming Insurrection anticipated the global uprisings of
2011.

The model of the anti-globalisation movement was to hop from summit to
summit, protesting with an aim to disrupt. Successive cities—London,
Seattle, Washington DC, Montreal, Genoa—experienced intense street
protests. The movement was spread globally by activists who traveled
incessantly.

The turning point for the form of activism occurred on February 15, 2003
when the anti-globalisation movement was absorbed into the anti-Iraq War
movement. It was on this day that millions of people in cities across the
world marched in the streets. I remember the feeling of being among the sea
of people protesting in New York City. We failed to stop the Iraq War, but
instead we demonstrated for the first time the capacity of activists to
organise protests nearly everywhere at once. Activists no longer hopped
from summit to summit, now they organised simultaneously and independently
in their own community. This culminated with Occupy Wall Street, a movement
that spread to 82 countries and nearly 1,000 cities.

The anti-globalisation movement began as a critique of globalisation and
ultimately gave birth to an activist culture that has become itself a
global institution, albeit a weak institution whose power ebbs and surges.

In the years since the Arab Spring and Occupy, a staggering number of
people around the world have protested. In the United States, according to
the Washington Post, around 20% of citizens have protested at least once
since 2016—an astonishing number.

Seeing that a global movement is necessary to solve a global challenge,
activists have embraced the global outlook of the international
institutions they once derided. Activism is globalised: social movements
easily mobilise people in many countries simultaneously.

3. Activism is fundamental to the new social contract

At the same time as these changes are taking place, activism as a
discipline is experiencing decreasing effectiveness, a phenomenon I call
"the end of protest".

The success of the anti-globalisation may be arguable. Activists did, for a
while, succeed in disrupting the ability of international organisations to
hold their meetings. Successive protest movements have not, however,
achieved their short-term objectives: the anti-Iraq War movement failed to
stop the war; the Arab Spring only briefly resulted in greater democracy in
the region; Occupy Wall Street did not end the power of money in Western
democracies; March for Our Lives has not ended gun violence in the United
States, etc. In naming these particular protest movements, I am not
critiquing the specific activists that took part. Instead, the decreasing
effectiveness of protest results primarily from the intransigence of
governments who fail to see the enormous potential in giving into protest
movements in order to achieve great things.

Activism is becoming integral to the functioning of power. And yet,
activism is losing its ability to create the social change that activists
desire—and that society needs. This is paradoxical and has led to much
confusion among activists who assume the proliferation of activism is
inherently a positive sign. One would expect that if activism were becoming
necessary for the functioning of power then it would also be growing more
effective. But that is not the case.

I want to end by understanding why the proliferation of protest within
democratic societies has not led to an increasing effectiveness of protest.
In particular, I want to focus on why members of the OECD may want to
reconsider their posture towards activism in order to heal the social
contract.

It is fitting that one of the core themes of the 2019 OECD Forum is “a new
societal contract”. From an activist perspective, the breakdown of the
social contract underpinning Western democracies is the primary reason why
protests have experienced diminishing returns despite their tremendous
speed and size.

When activists mobilise large numbers of people to go into streets behind a
message, they are evoking a core principle of the social contract that once
guided democracy:

“The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government”.

This statement from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was adopted
by the United Nations General Assembly in 1948. Most of the members of the
OECD are signatories to this declaration. This promise that the sovereignty
of our governments would ultimately derive from the will of the people is
what has motivated activists to get people into the streets to perform the
rituals of modern protest: marches, occupations, etc.

The increasing failure of protests to move governments is bad for activism
but it is worse for democracy.

When faced with a substantial popular mobilisation—think again, for
example, of the February 15, 2003 anti-Iraq war protest, the largest
synchronised global protest in human history—Western democracies have a
choice. They can interpret this manifestation as the expression of the will
of the people, invoke the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and
voluntarily bend to the movement’s wishes. Or they can resist. And, because
of the substantial improvement in riot control technologies, if a
government chooses to ignore the demands of massive social protests they
will, more often than not, survive the crisis without a scratch. George
Bush led the United States into war against Iraq a month after the world’s
largest social protest. And then he was re-elected as President.

The OECD’s search for a new societal contract must begin with a resolution
of this problem: ought the individuals elected into office submit to the
will of the people? Should more powerful entities voluntarily change course
when asked to by weaker, collectively mobilised people?

My recommendation would be for Western governments to take heed of the
changing nature of power and make a renewed commitment to grounding their
sovereign authority in the will of the people. This means that governments,
corporations, powerful elites ought to willingly submit when confronted by
people mobilised in the streets. This holds true even if these governments
have the capacity to forcefully defeat social protests by deploying law
enforcement resources.

The integration of activism into the functioning of power must be
accompanied with an acknowledgement that movements are sacrosanct—ending
the movement by force ought to be prohibited. Otherwise we will continue to
experience the degradation of democracy and the devolution of power.

The shift toward heeding activism has the potential to unlock tremendous
creative capacity from the citizenry, allowing seemingly impossible
problems—like economic inequality and climate change—to be solved with
ease. By submitting willingly to social movements that arise, governments
can harness their tremendous momentum to achieve great things and reorient
society through sudden leaps forward.

—Micah White is the co-creator of Occupy Wall Street, the author of The End
of Protest: A New Playbook for Revolution
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You can read IGP'S blog about Christchurch call and next steps :
https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/05/14/our-statement-on-the-christchurch-process/

As it seems, the pledge text is not going to be changed so we need to see
how signing up to the pledge goes.

I will be sending a report about the civil society input and the process of
coming up with it and the opportunity to sign up on it by the end of the
day.


Thanks to all the discussions and participations. It was a great
collaborative effort.
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From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 20:00:01 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Final text of Christchurch call and InternetNZ
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Here is the final text of the pledge:
https://www.christchurchcall.com/call.html

And here is a news release by InternetNZ

https://internetnz.nz/news/christchurch-call-outcome-vital-first-step-addressing-terrorism-and-violent-extremism-online



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From lmcknigh at syr.edu  Wed May 15 15:07:13 2019
From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 19:07:13 +0000
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
 Bestbits: next steps
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Hi,


Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.


For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles among other positive outcomes.


So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the cross-CS coordination right?

Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at times to this prof).


________________________________
From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
To: Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance
Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps

Dear all

Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of  those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants here:  https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going forward.

  *   IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a day 0 event at IGF
  *   Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal steering committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation of the event however they see fit
  *   Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal agenda has been put together
  *   Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already been proposed)

Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.

Please provide your views on this.

Best
Sheetal.

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
Dear all,

Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture

In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about civil society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.

We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put something short together and then to share it with you for your feedback before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple proposal to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants to chime in with more information please do.

If you have any questions, please do let us know!

Best
Sheetal.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org<mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
report on the meeting.

Regards,

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On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at 1
> PM UTC (see the link below).
>
> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
> Meeting room details
>
> *Meeting URL*
> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>
> Meeting ID
> 524 189 381
> Want to dial in from a phone?
>
> Dial one of the following numbers:
> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>
> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>
> Connecting from a room system?
> Dial: bjn.vc<http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>
> > Dear all
> >
> > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on *Wednesday,
> > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
> >
> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >
> > Best
> > Sheetal.
> >
> > Meeting room details
> >
> > *Meeting URL*
> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
> >
> > Meeting ID
> > 524 189 381
> > Want to dial in from a phone?
> >
> > Dial one of the following numbers:
> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
> >
> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
> >
> > Connecting from a room system?
> > Dial: bjn.vc<http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
> >
> > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
> > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone relevant.
> >
> > Suggested agenda
> > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's happened
> > so far
> > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> > 6.internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Dear Akinremi,
> >>
> >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants of
> >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
> >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net<http://riseup.net> is working,
> >> then I do not have concerns.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> >> twitter.com/shivaindia<http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> >> compsoftnet at gmail.com<mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> >>>
> >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org<http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
> >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net<http://riseup.net> mailing-list.
> >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as to be
> >>> able to help.
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> >>> 6.internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
> >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem. The
> >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
> >>>> Governance lists please?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia<http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com<mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
> >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be limited to
> >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an independent
> >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group should cease
> >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
> >>>>> to remain as it is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the
> >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are referring to.
> >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy issue that
> >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
> >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization in the
> >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat remains.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards.
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
> >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net<mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
> >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
> >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
> >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
> >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
> >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
> >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
> >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
> >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
> >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
> >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
> >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
> >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
> >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
> >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
> >>>>>>> forward.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
> >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
> >>>>>>> set up a room.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
> >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
> >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
> >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
> >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
> >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
> >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
> >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
> >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
> >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
> >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
> >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
> >>>>>>>> call.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
> >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
> >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
> >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
> >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can,
> >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set
> >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
> >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
> >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
> >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
> >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
> >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
> >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
> >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
> >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
> >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
> >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc<http://bjn.vc> -or-199.48.152.152
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they were available for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com<mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au<mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
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> > *Sheetal Kumar*
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>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
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Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Lee W McKnight
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
To: Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance; Sheetal Kumar
Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps


Hi,



Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.



For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles among other positive outcomes.



So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the cross-CS coordination right?

Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at times to this prof).



________________________________
From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
To: Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance
Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps

Dear all

Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of  those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants here:  https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going forward.

  *   IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a day 0 event at IGF
  *   Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal steering committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation of the event however they see fit
  *   Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal agenda has been put together
  *   Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already been proposed)
Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.

Please provide your views on this.

Best
Sheetal.

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
Dear all,

Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture

In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about civil society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.

We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put something short together and then to share it with you for your feedback before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple proposal to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants to chime in with more information please do.

If you have any questions, please do let us know!

Best
Sheetal.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org<mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
report on the meeting.

Regards,

--
Tapani Tarvainen

On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at 1
> PM UTC (see the link below).
>
> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
> Meeting room details
>
> *Meeting URL*
> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>
> Meeting ID
> 524 189 381
> Want to dial in from a phone?
>
> Dial one of the following numbers:
> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>
> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>
> Connecting from a room system?
> Dial: bjn.vc<http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>
> > Dear all
> >
> > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on *Wednesday,
> > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
> >
> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >
> > Best
> > Sheetal.
> >
> > Meeting room details
> >
> > *Meeting URL*
> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
> >
> > Meeting ID
> > 524 189 381
> > Want to dial in from a phone?
> >
> > Dial one of the following numbers:
> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
> >
> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
> >
> > Connecting from a room system?
> > Dial: bjn.vc<http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
> >
> > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
> > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone relevant.
> >
> > Suggested agenda
> > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's happened
> > so far
> > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> > 6.internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Dear Akinremi,
> >>
> >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants of
> >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
> >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net<http://riseup.net> is working,
> >> then I do not have concerns.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> >> twitter.com/shivaindia<http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> >> compsoftnet at gmail.com<mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> >>>
> >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org<http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
> >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net<http://riseup.net> mailing-list.
> >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as to be
> >>> able to help.
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> >>> 6.internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
> >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem. The
> >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
> >>>> Governance lists please?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia<http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com<mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
> >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be limited to
> >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an independent
> >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group should cease
> >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
> >>>>> to remain as it is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the
> >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are referring to.
> >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy issue that
> >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
> >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization in the
> >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat remains.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards.
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
> >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net<mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
> >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
> >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
> >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
> >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
> >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
> >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
> >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
> >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
> >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
> >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
> >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
> >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
> >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
> >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
> >>>>>>> forward.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
> >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
> >>>>>>> set up a room.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
> >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
> >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
> >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
> >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
> >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
> >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
> >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
> >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
> >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
> >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
> >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
> >>>>>>>> call.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
> >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
> >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
> >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
> >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can,
> >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set
> >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
> >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
> >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
> >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
> >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
> >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
> >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
> >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
> >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
> >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
> >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc<http://bjn.vc> -or-199.48.152.152
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they were available for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com<mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au<mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> >>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>.
> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
> >>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
> >>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net<mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>>
> >>>>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
> >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
> >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi<http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
> >>>>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
> >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
> >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi<http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
> >>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > *Sheetal Kumar*
> > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
> > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >
> >
>
> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F
> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|

> ____________________________________________________________
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--


Sheetal Kumar
Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|


--


Sheetal Kumar
Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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From wisdom.dk at gmail.com  Wed May  1 05:48:24 2019
From: wisdom.dk at gmail.com (Wisdom Donkor)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 09:48:24 +0000
Subject: [bestbits] [Invitation]: Call on UNSG High Level Panel on
 digital cooperation draft report
In-Reply-To: <16a71894e28.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org>
References: <CAK78muQnXoXuOxnGncJ+hX-sK6+RwF3LMP++cDFjLTw7Fs8MBQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <16a71894e28.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org>
Message-ID: <CAAU+vPE+mxBKpFfnZFrzmpDzc1hwvydvwZXgEvjXZnQYfBFcQw@mail.gmail.com>

PLEASE COUNT ME IN

*WISDOM DONKOR*
President & CEO
Africa Open Data and Internet Research Foundation
P.O. Box CT 2439, Cantonments, Accra | www.aodirf.org
Tel: +233 20 812 8851
Skype: wisdom_dk | Facebook: kwasi wisdom |  Twitter: @wisdom_dk
__________________________________________________
Specialization:
E-government Network Infrastructure and E-application, Internet
Governance,  Open Data policies platforms & Community Development, Cyber
Security,  Domain Name Systems, Software Engineering, Event Planning &
Management,
*MEMBER*
UN IGF Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group
UN BPF on Policy Option for Connecting and Enabling the Next Billion (CENB)
UN BPF on Gender and Access
UN IGF National Regional Initiatives
UN BPF on IOT, Big Data and AI
Fellow: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, NCSG, NCUC,
AFRALO
National SDG Data Roadmaps Advisory Committee, Ghana
ICANN, Internet Society, Freedom Online Coalition, Diplo Foundation,
Global Open Data for Agriculture and Nutrition
Ghana Open Government Partnership (OGP) Advisory Committee
World Bank Open Data Working Team,
Africa Open Data Collaborative
Ghana Energy Commission Data Task-force
Linux Accra Users Group


On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 3:56 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi, Sheetal.
>
> Count me in.
>
> Best,
> Jean
>
> On April 30, 2019 01:40:51 Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> For anyone interested in commenting on the draft report of the UNSG's
>> High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation, they have agreed to host a call
>> with wider civil society on *02 May, Thursday 13:00 UTC*.
>>
>> On this call, they'll present three models for digital cooperation which
>> form part of the report as well as the values and principles section of the
>> report.
>>
>> If you're interested in attending, they've requested to do it on a
>> first-come, first served basis so please reply to me on this thread if you
>> want to join and I'll share the joining details.
>>
>> Unfortunately there isn't any material that can be shared from the report
>> beforehand but there is some information here: https://dig.watch/sessions/road-testing-governance-models-secretary-general%E2%80%99s-high-level-panel-digital-cooperation
>>
>>
>> Best
>> Sheetal.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
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>>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
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From matthias.kettemann at gmail.com  Wed May 15 18:24:08 2019
From: matthias.kettemann at gmail.com (Matthias C. Kettemann)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 00:24:08 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] Busted! The Truth About the 50 Most Common Internet
 Myths: Your Chance to Participate
In-Reply-To: <1975004641.173.1557832713121@groupware.hans-bredow-institut.de>
References: <1975004641.173.1557832713121@groupware.hans-bredow-institut.de>
Message-ID: <CALjW9_k4N=9TDLJ5gjPHDV9uy5z+3tmkqbsUV0PvT4gGgS_Urw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Internet users, researchers, and activists,
dear friends and colleagues,

The Internet never forgets ... and on the Internet, nobody knows you are a
dog ... Is the Internet a dangerous place ruled by bots? Are states the
enemies of a free Internet? Do human rights apply online? Is there a future
for the Global South on the Internet? Are data monopolies unstoppable? And
is the Internet full of fake news? Or is all the talk about fake news
actually fake news?

We have been commissioned to edit a book busting these and other common
Internet myths ("Busted! The Truth About the 50 Most Common Internet Myths
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JqnwcB56ae7N0jc7CrvscGZKaRDWq_mZEZXO9LIFSqc/edit>").
It will be published in English and German this fall in the run-up to the
Internet Governance Forum in Berlin 2019, both online and in print and will
be widely distributed, including to all IGF participants on-site.

At this stage we ask you to help us identify the most common Internet
myths, that is misconceptions (accidental or on purpose) about the impact
and reality of the internet and internet-based communication in the wider
sense.

We are looking for the most popular (or unpopular) Internet myths. After
collecting 100 of them we will get back to you and vote on which 50 myths
should make it into the book.

Please enter your suggestions using this form
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScm0b9LOjSO-PrJzu4eNDMSLhJrSOeLvrnqNkFzAwuvmT8xvQ/viewform>
by Tuesday, 21 May 2019.

Do you feel like you could write the debunking story (around 450 words, by
15 July 2019), too? Then please add this as well in the form.

Do you know of someone who could be an Internet mythbuster? Then feel free
to forward them this invitation.

In the age of uncertainty, we invite you to participate in an exciting book
that seeks to make Internet myths a thing of the past. If you have any
queries, please contact us at m.kettemann at leibniz-hbi.de and
s.dreyer at leibniz-hbi.de.

Matthias and Stephan

--
Dr. Matthias C. Kettemann and Dr. Stephan Dreyer
Leibniz Institute for Media Research | Hans-Bredow-Institut (HBI), Hamburg,
Germany
Rothenbaumchaussee 36 | 20148 Hamburg | Germany

Leibniz Institute for Media Research | Hans-Bredow-Institut (HBI)
Head of Research | Research Program *Regulatory *
*Structures and the Emergence of Rules in Online Spaces*
Rothenbaumchaussee 36 | 20148 Hamburg | Germany
mail <m.kettemann at hans-bredow-institut.de> | web
<https://hans-bredow-institut.de/en/staff/matthias-c-kettemann> | +49 (0)40
45 02 17 36

Associated Researcher | Alexander von Humboldt Institute for Internet and
Society (HIIG) <https://www.hiig.de/matthias-kettemann/>, Berlin
Affiliated Researcher | Cluster of Excellence „
<http://www.normativeorders.net/de/organisation/mitarbeiter-a-z/person/442>Normative
Orders
<http://www.normativeorders.net/de/organisation/mitarbeiter-a-z/person/442>”
<http://www.normativeorders.net/de/organisation/mitarbeiter-a-z/person/442>,
University
of Frankfurt am Main
Lecturer | Institute of International Law and International Relations
<http://voelkerrecht.uni-graz.at/en/>, University of Graz, Austria

--

See my research on disinformation
<https://www.sef-bonn.org/en/publications/global-governance-spotlight/22019.html>
, cybersecurity,
<http://www.revista-redi.es/es/articulos/ciberseguridad-y-derecho-internacional/>Internet
Governance,
<http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/frontdoor/index/index/docId/48008>international
internet law, <https://library.fes.de/pdf-files/akademie/12068.pdf>
freedom of expression,
<http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/frontdoor/index/index/year/2017/docId/43690>right
to internet access,
<https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/das-recht-auf-internet-zwischen-voelkerrecht-staatsrecht-und-europarecht/>German
Network Enforcement Act (NetzDG)
<https://www.intgovforum-deutschland.org/uploads/2/6/8/1/26813832/igf-d_balanced_briefing_netzdg_%5Bd%5D.pdf>

New study: Kettemann, International Rules for Social Media. Safeguarding
human rights, combating disinformation, Global Governance Spotlight 2/2019
<https://www.sef-bonn.org/en/publications/global-governance-spotlight/22019.html>
(Development and Peace Foundation (sef:), Bonn, 2019) (auch auf Deutsch
<http://www.sef-bonn.org/publikationen/global-governance-spotlight/22019.html>
)

New book: Wagner/Kettemann/Vieth (eds.), Research Handbook on Human Rights
and
Digital Technology
<https://www.e-elgar.com/shop/research-handbook-on-human-rights-and-digital-technology>
(Cheltenham:
Edward Elgar, 2019)

New Working Paper: Kettemann, Die normative Ordnung der Cyber-Sicherheit
<http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/files/48873/Matthias_Kettemann_Cyber-Sicherheit.pdf>,

Normative Orders Working Paper 01/2019


<https://www.intgovforum-deutschland.org/uploads/2/6/8/1/26813832/igf-d_balanced_briefing_netzdg_%5Bd%5D.pdf>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Wed May 15 19:27:51 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 01:27:51 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Report on Civil Society Coordination for
 Christchurch Call
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCn_LKvqiTc3Db4GCFue5xa51RCsOCZvhA1hsgVhFcm7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvCn_LKvqiTc3Db4GCFue5xa51RCsOCZvhA1hsgVhFcm7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvDki5BwRO7-YOY0Q_yHs959T49DAYEz7Oz8Re+20Pqfxw@mail.gmail.com>

Farzaneh


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:27 AM
Subject: Report on Civil Society Coordination for Christchurch Call
To: governance <governance at lists.riseup.net>


*Summary:*

Civil society participation in Christchurch call timelines and next steps:

   1.

   Beginning of May, Calls issued through civil society networks and
   mailing lists, InternetNZ created a coordination space, which will be
   ongoing:https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/
   2.

   Call for collective action issued, and call to provide a collective
   input for the civil society meeting with New Zealand before Christchurch
   Summit. The effort was open to any civil society and technical community
   member that wished to participate. Some civil society organizations
   attended the three online meetings organized to discuss the input and the
   Christchurch call.
   3.

   Ongoing work on the input document, first draft was shaped
   <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ByMQScgaab4KBhr5fB_6uJ8txN9Fv77lXEbDdJTJzNE/edit>
   4.

   on 13 May, a meeting was held before the Voices for Action meeting. The
   input document was finalized, comments resolved.

See the finalized document here
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/10RadyVQUNu1H5D7x6IJVKbqmaeDeXre0Mk-FFNkIVxs/edit#heading=h.wg59r4y9z999>
.

   1. *Next Steps:* The New Zealand government has asked for more feedback
   from various stakeholders. Note that the pledge might not be changed but we
   need to weigh in and send them our feedback.

We are going to hold another online meeting soon (next week) and discuss
the next steps and brief you about the Christchurch call and the recent
developments.

If you want to sign up on the current civil society
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/10RadyVQUNu1H5D7x6IJVKbqmaeDeXre0Mk-FFNkIVxs/edit#heading=h.wg59r4y9z999>
input
you can contact Ellen, Jillian or me.

*The process and how it all started*

24 April 2019, Prime Minister Ardern announced the Christchurch call which
was started in cooperation with France to eliminate terrorist, violent,
extremist content online.She also announced the meeting of New Zealand and
civil society and academic
<https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-and-france-seek-end-use-social-media-acts-terrorism>organizations
the day before the Christchurch call in Paris.

InternetNZ was determined to include civil society and technical
organizations in the Christchurch call process. With their collaboration,
on May 6th we started to gather input from civil society and some parts of
the technical community.

InternetNZ’s principled approach to this issue was the main reason for the
inclusion of Internet community actors other than big technology
corporation.

The call for collective action was distributed on Internet governance
networks including

IGC mailing list,

BestBits mailing list,

NCSG mailing list

Giganet

and other civil society networks. We approached various civil society
organizations and academics to join the collaborative call for input and
asked them to inform their networks about it.

InternetNZ also created a coordination space. The call to join the space
was distributed among the available networks.

There are 81 members who have joined the coordination space.

The members discussed many aspects of the Christchurch call, including why
it’s happening, what are the evidence and what are the implications for the
Internet.

To join the network, read the following:
https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call and join at:
https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/

*Online and in person civil society meetings*

We held two online meetings and one in-person meeting which also provided
remote participation.

We discussed various aspect of the call including substantive and
procedural aspects.

On 8th May, 19 participants joined the call. Find the recording here:
https://bluejeans.com/s/49F7K

On 10th May, 30 participants joined the call. Here is the link to the
recording. https://bluejeans.com/s/N9Mps

An in person meeting was also held with the New Zealand Civil Society and
the New Zealand government.
*The input document:*

The first draft of the input document was populated by various civil
society organizations and academics. More than 200 comments and edits were
received. [See the first draft here
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ByMQScgaab4KBhr5fB_6uJ8txN9Fv77lXEbDdJTJzNE/edit>,
note this is not the final draft, please read on]

Jillian York has kindly listed most of the organizations and academics who
have put the organizations that have contributed to the draft. It is
non-exhaustive so if you made comments or were involved in initial drafting
please let us know. [the list is at the bottom of this email]

On 13 May, we had an in-person meeting with those who were present in
Paris. The meeting was distributed in various civil society networks and
the coordination space provided by InternetNZ. The in-person attendees were
namely Jillian York, Ellen Strickland, Anri van der Spuy and myself. Jordan
Carter from Internet NZ joined us the second half of the meeting. More
participants attended online.

We continued resolving comments and re-structuring the document. As a
result, we provided another document which was the clean version of the
input
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/10RadyVQUNu1H5D7x6IJVKbqmaeDeXre0Mk-FFNkIVxs/edit#>
and
kept the first draft for the record.

We went through the document with the online and in-person attendees,
included their comments made during and after the meeting. We finalized the
document the next day (14 May).

On 14 May, Voices for Action meeting: The meeting was held with the New
Zealand government, the Prime Minister of New Zealand and some academic and
civil society organizations.

Tweets during the meeting can be found at #Christchurchcallvoices

InternetNZ and other civil society organizations gave a summary of the
collective input during the meeting with the New Zealand government. We
also handed out printed versions. Find a PDF version here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RfXLUnx662mmOJv3Z2c0NXEpsAXS8HGN/view

*Next Steps:*

Considering that the Christchurch Call pledge text is out now and the New
Zealand government has asked for more comments from the civil society and
other parts of the Internet community, Interested civil society
organizations can sign up for the current civil society input. We can have
categories of drafting and commentator team, and endorsing organizations.

If you are interested to sign up please contact me, Ellen or Jillian, so
that we can add your name to it.

We will also have a meeting next week to brief you about how the issues are
evolving and answer questions about the input document.
------------------------------

The following is a non-exhaustive list of contributors to this document.
Additional input was provided by anonymous contributors and during calls
leading up to the meetings.

   - Farzaneh Badii (Internet Governance Project, Georgia Tech)
   - Annemarie Bridy (University of Idaho)
   - Ben Decker (Disinformation Index)
   - Anriette Esterhuysen (Global Commission on Internet Governance)
   - Claire Fernandez (European Digital Rights Initiative)
   - Gabrielle Guillemin (Article 19)
   - Dia Kayyali (Witness)
   - Daphne Keller (Center for Internet and Society, Stanford University)
   - Gayatri Khandhadai (Association for Progressive Communications)
   - Cheryl Leanza (A Learned Hand)
   - Rebecca MacKinnon (Ranking Digital Rights)
   - Mira Milosevic (Global Forum for Media Development)
   - Milton Mueller (Internet Governance Project, Georgia Tech)
   - Michael Oghia (Global Forum for Media Development)
   - Julie Owono (Internet Sans Frontieres)
   - Jason Pielemeier (Global Network Initiative)
   - Courtney Radsch (Committee to Protect Journalists)
   - Ellen Strickland (InternetNZ)
   - Anri van der Spuy (Research ICT Africa)
   - Deirdre Williams
   - Jillian C. York (Electronic Frontier Foundation)






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From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 11:30:06 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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Dear all,

Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies off-thread
expressing interest in the effort.

@Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at the
RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you be
at RightsCon?

On the way forward:

   - Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to attend
   that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd like to
   accommodate everyone who can attend
   - If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please do get in
   touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and you can input into
   the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have good wifi)

Best
Sheetal.

On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov <ba2482 at columbia.edu>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire if we could
> use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place.
>
>
>
> Please let me know.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bach Avezdjanov
>
> Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>
> Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu
>
> Phone: 212 854 1591
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Lee W McKnight
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo;
> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt; governance at lists.igcaucus.org;
> governance; Sheetal Kumar
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the
> future of Bestbits: next steps
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>
>
>
> For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in Hyderabad where
> the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on Internet Principles
> had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition
> on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation and
> translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles among other
> positive outcomes.
>
>
>
> So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of this; ie
> among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the cross-CS
> coordination right?
>
> Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and methods
> embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at times to
> this prof).
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net <
> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar <
> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian muthusamy;
> Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt;
> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the
> future of Bestbits: next steps
>
>
>
> Dear all
>
>
>
> Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of  those of us
> who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants here:
> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see below what some
> of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going forward.
>
>    - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a day 0
>    event at IGF
>    - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal steering
>    committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as
>    'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation
>    of the event however they see fit
>    - Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal agenda
>    has been put together
>    - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this effort
>    come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of
>    focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already
>    been proposed)
>
> Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've now
> decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the
> discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level
> coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an
> agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.
>
>
>
> Please provide your views on this.
>
>
>
> Best
>
> Sheetal.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the recording
> I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary at the
> top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should
> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>
>
>
>
> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about civil
> society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call
> reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work
> together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported
> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the
> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call
> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage
> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore,
> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>
>
>
> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC would be
> helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the
> limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put something
> short together and then to share it with you for your feedback before
> sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple proposal
> to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants
> to chime in with more information please do.
>
>
>
> If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>
>
>
> Best
>
> Sheetal.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>
> wrote:
>
> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
> report on the meeting.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at 1
> > PM UTC (see the link below).
> >
> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >
> > Best
> > Sheetal.
> >
> > Meeting room details
> >
> > *Meeting URL*
> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
> >
> > Meeting ID
> > 524 189 381
> > Want to dial in from a phone?
> >
> > Dial one of the following numbers:
> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
> >
> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
> >
> > Connecting from a room system?
> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
> >
> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all
> > >
> > > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on
> *Wednesday,
> > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
> > >
> > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> > >
> > > Best
> > > Sheetal.
> > >
> > > Meeting room details
> > >
> > > *Meeting URL*
> > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
> > >
> > > Meeting ID
> > > 524 189 381
> > > Want to dial in from a phone?
> > >
> > > Dial one of the following numbers:
> > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> > > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
> > >
> > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
> > >
> > > Connecting from a room system?
> > > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
> > >
> > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
> > > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone
> relevant.
> > >
> > > Suggested agenda
> > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's
> happened
> > > so far
> > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> > > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Dear Akinremi,
> > >>
> > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants
> of
> > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
> > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is working,
> > >> then I do not have concerns.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you.
> > >>
> > >> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy
> >
> > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox is
> not
> > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net
> mailing-list.
> > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as to
> be
> > >>> able to help.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards.
> > >>> Peter
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
> > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem.
> The
> > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
> > >>>> Governance lists please?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sivasubramanian M <
> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
> > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be
> limited to
> > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an
> independent
> > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group
> should cease
> > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group
> wants IGC
> > >>>>> to remain as it is.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the
> > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are
> referring to.
> > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy
> issue that
> > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
> > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization
> in the
> > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat
> remains.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards.
> > >>>>> Peter
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
> > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
> > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the
> poll
> > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the
> IGC list.
> > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits"
> rather than
> > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
> > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination,
> and I know
> > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The
> conversations have
> > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current
> situation
> > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
> > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society
> coordination
> > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which
> gathered a
> > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary
> report of
> > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was
> discussion
> > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that
> however, it
> > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a
> way
> > >>>>>>> forward.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would
> be
> > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the
> date and
> > >>>>>>> set up a room.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
> > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so
> far!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <
> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
> > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a
> summary included
> > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
> > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45
> minutes-1
> > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC
> founders and other
> > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call
> too.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a
> way
> > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
> > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding
> a way
> > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest
> possible
> > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how
> to proceed,
> > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a
> follow up
> > >>>>>>>> call.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <
> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be
> great
> > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you
> could fill
> > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much
> appreciated.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> > >>>>>>>>> <
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> > >>>>>>>>> <
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> > >>>>>>>>> <
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide
> next
> > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
> > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you
> can,
> > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into
> the next set
> > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> > >>>>>>>>>> <
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> > >>>>>>>>>> <
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> > >>>>>>>>>> <
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
> > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits.
> Following a
> > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as
> members of IGC, it
> > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views
> of all members.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
> > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to
> the summaries of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a
> timely way, please
> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
> > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday.
> For
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of
> participants
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December
> and the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits
> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their
> objectives,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to
> circulate a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four
> suggested ways forward
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that
> this survey with
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future
> of the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both
> lists shortly,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps
> is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The
> full
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated
> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <
> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best
> time
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking
> forward
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to
> record and share the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list.
> Please let us know if
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open
> mailing list if you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC
> lists,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
> faced in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
> lists/establishment
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as
> information sharing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
> decision
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they
> were available for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member
> you can join the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to
> have a vague idea
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and
> the relevant
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward.
> The discussions here
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has
> kindly offered to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
> faced
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
> lists/establishment
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as
> information sharing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we
> also reach out to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and
> inform the discussion
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the
> conference room link
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have
> a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with
> what Nnenna and Jeremy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within
> IGC and Bestbits
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really
> improve participation?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be
> done,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who
> started
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions
> and perspectives, same
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely
> that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which
> many
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some
> difficulty with
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks
> for the group.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do
> that now or do we need
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering
> Committee
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it
> had
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012
> ITU
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint
> action
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had
> driven
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own
> funding.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability
> resulted in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that.
> But I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new
> nonprofit
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q
> -i
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> ____________________________________________________________
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize
> Economics, 1979
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
> 173B
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
> 173B
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> > >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> E9E2
> > >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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> > >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> > >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
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> > >>>>> <
> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
> >
> > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
> > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
> > >>>>> <
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> >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>> <
> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
> >
> > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
> > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
> > >>> <
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> >
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > *Sheetal Kumar*
> > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> > > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > *Sheetal Kumar*
> > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
>
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>
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> --
>
>
>
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
>
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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-- 


*Sheetal Kumar*
Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Tue May 21 08:07:50 2019
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 17:37:50 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] RightsCon satellite event- What do social movements need
 to do in the age of data? Towards a digital justice manifesto
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Are you planning to be at RightsCon
<https://itforchange.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6fd97454ef6c0671ea92b5cb4&id=b3dd86791a&e=2c98cb64db> this
year? Join us at Tunis, and be part of shaping a future agenda for
digital equity and social justice. 
 
JNC invites you to our workshop
*What do social movements need to do in the age of data? Towards a
digital justice manifesto*

Venue: Hôtel LAICO Tunis (RightsCon Venue), CARTHAGE 2
Date: June 11, 2:00-4:15 pm
 
In 2018, the Just Net Coalition
<https://itforchange.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6fd97454ef6c0671ea92b5cb4&id=f03c48444e&e=2c98cb64db>
(JNC) convened its first satellite event at RightsCon, Toronto,
‘Contending with the digital frontier – What next for social movements?’
The event aimed at brokering a dialogue between actors from social
movements and members of the digital rights community and explore common
pathways for data and digital justice. Over the year, we have kept the
conversation going at different venues and platforms.

In March 2019, JNC organized a three day international workshop on
Equity and Social Justice in a Digital World in Bangkok which brought
together a global network of actors working on digital rights, the
digital economy, and in sectors like agriculture, trade, education,
gender rights and labor.

At Tunis, we plan to take forward one of the critical agendas that came
out of the Bangkok meeting - the need for a digital justice manifesto.
Drawing from the building blocks that came out of our Bangkok meeting,
our RightsCon satellite event, *What do social movements need to do in
the age of data? Towards a digital justice manifesto*, will be aimed at
further developing key categories and the framework of a Digital Justice
Manifesto creating a reframed mandate for social movements from the
standpoint of various rights in the digital age, and enrich it through
the learnings from a structured inter-movement dialogue.

We invite you to be part of this exciting and enriching process. Whether
you're from a traditional social movement, a digital rights activist, or
simply interested in these issues, we would love to hear from you.


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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Wed May 22 13:55:29 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 13:55:29 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Follow up meeting about ChristchurchCall
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From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, May 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM
Subject: Follow up meeting about ChristchurchCall
To: governance <governance at lists.riseup.net>


We have a follow up meeting about Christchurchcall and sorry about the
short notice. We can get together tomorrow, 23 May 11 AM UTC to discuss the
Christchurchcall and next steps we need to take.

Please find the Bluejeans information below:

Meeting URL
https://bluejeans.com/442448273?src=join_info

Meeting ID
442 448 273

Want to dial in from a phone?

Dial one of the following numbers:
+1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
+1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
(see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)

Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #

Connecting from a room system?
Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode






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From sheetal at gp-digital.org  Thu May 23 05:24:05 2019
From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 10:24:05 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
 Bestbits: next steps
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 Dear all,

Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to plan the
IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:

   - Room Dougga
   - June 11, *9am-12:30pm *
   - Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia

If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be part of
the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet before/after the
event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed interest in this effort
so I can add you to that too.

Hope to see many of you soon!

Best
Sheetal.
-- 

On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies off-thread
> expressing interest in the effort.
>
> @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at the
> RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you be
> at RightsCon?
>
> On the way forward:
>
>    - Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to attend
>    that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd like to
>    accommodate everyone who can attend
>    - If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please do get
>    in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and you can input
>    into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have good
>    wifi)
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov <ba2482 at columbia.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire if we
>> could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bach Avezdjanov
>>
>> Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>
>> Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu
>>
>> Phone: 212 854 1591
>>
>> Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>
>> Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>> <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>>
>> *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter!
>> <http://columbia.us8.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=5b024e7a0c16e2779164ac24d&id=67263d095b>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Lee W McKnight
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo;
>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt; governance at lists.igcaucus.org;
>> governance; Sheetal Kumar
>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the
>> future of Bestbits: next steps
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>
>>
>>
>> For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in Hyderabad where
>> the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on Internet Principles
>> had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition
>> on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation and
>> translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles among other
>> positive outcomes.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of this; ie
>> among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the cross-CS
>> coordination right?
>>
>> Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and methods
>> embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at times to
>> this prof).
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net <
>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar <
>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian muthusamy;
>> Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt;
>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance
>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the
>> future of Bestbits: next steps
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear all
>>
>>
>>
>> Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of  those of
>> us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants here:
>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see below what
>> some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going forward.
>>
>>    - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a day 0
>>    event at IGF
>>    - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal steering
>>    committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as
>>    'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation
>>    of the event however they see fit
>>    - Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal agenda
>>    has been put together
>>    - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this effort
>>    come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of
>>    focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already
>>    been proposed)
>>
>> Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've now
>> decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the
>> discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level
>> coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an
>> agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please provide your views on this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Sheetal.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the recording
>> I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary at the
>> top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should
>> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about civil
>> society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call
>> reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work
>> together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
>> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported
>> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the
>> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call
>> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage
>> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore,
>> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC would be
>> helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the
>> limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put something
>> short together and then to share it with you for your feedback before
>> sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple proposal
>> to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants
>> to chime in with more information please do.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Sheetal.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
>> report on the meeting.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>
>> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote:
>>
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at
>> 1
>> > PM UTC (see the link below).
>> >
>> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>> >
>> > Best
>> > Sheetal.
>> >
>> > Meeting room details
>> >
>> > *Meeting URL*
>> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>> >
>> > Meeting ID
>> > 524 189 381
>> > Want to dial in from a phone?
>> >
>> > Dial one of the following numbers:
>> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>> >
>> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>> >
>> > Connecting from a room system?
>> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>> >
>> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear all
>> > >
>> > > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on
>> *Wednesday,
>> > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
>> > >
>> > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>> > >
>> > > Best
>> > > Sheetal.
>> > >
>> > > Meeting room details
>> > >
>> > > *Meeting URL*
>> > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>> > >
>> > > Meeting ID
>> > > 524 189 381
>> > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>> > >
>> > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>> > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>> > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>> > > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>> > >
>> > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>> > >
>> > > Connecting from a room system?
>> > > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>> > >
>> > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
>> > > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone
>> relevant.
>> > >
>> > > Suggested agenda
>> > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's
>> happened
>> > > so far
>> > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>> > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>> > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>> > > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> Dear Akinremi,
>> > >>
>> > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the
>> participants of
>> > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
>> > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is working,
>> > >> then I do not have concerns.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thank you.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sivasubramanian M <
>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>> > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>> > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox is
>> not
>> > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net
>> mailing-list.
>> > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as
>> to be
>> > >>> able to help.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Regards.
>> > >>> Peter
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>> > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
>> > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different
>> problem. The
>> > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing
>> the
>> > >>>> Governance lists please?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Sivasubramanian M <
>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>> > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>> > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
>> > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be
>> limited to
>> > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an
>> independent
>> > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group
>> should cease
>> > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group
>> wants IGC
>> > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on
>> the
>> > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are
>> referring to.
>> > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy
>> issue that
>> > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
>> > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization
>> in the
>> > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat
>> remains.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Regards.
>> > >>>>> Peter
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>> > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
>> > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the
>> poll
>> > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the
>> IGC list.
>> > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits"
>> rather than
>> > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>> > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination,
>> and I know
>> > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The
>> conversations have
>> > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current
>> situation
>> > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>> > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society
>> coordination
>> > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which
>> gathered a
>> > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary
>> report of
>> > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was
>> discussion
>> > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that
>> however, it
>> > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree
>> a way
>> > >>>>>>> forward.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would
>> be
>> > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the
>> date and
>> > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>> > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>> > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>> > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so
>> far!
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <
>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>> > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a
>> summary included
>> > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first
>> half
>> > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45
>> minutes-1
>> > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC
>> founders and other
>> > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call
>> too.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a
>> way
>> > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to
>> change
>> > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding
>> a way
>> > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the
>> widest possible
>> > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how
>> to proceed,
>> > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a
>> follow up
>> > >>>>>>>> call.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <
>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be
>> great
>> > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you
>> could fill
>> > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much
>> appreciated.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>> > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>> > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>> > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide
>> next
>> > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
>> > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you
>> can,
>> > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into
>> the next set
>> > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of
>> Bestbits. Following a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as
>> members of IGC, it
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather
>> views of all members.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note
>> which
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to
>> the summaries of
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a
>> timely way, please
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday.
>> For
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list
>> of participants
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward
>> for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in
>> December and the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits
>> and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their
>> objectives,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed
>> to circulate a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four
>> suggested ways forward
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that
>> this survey with
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future
>> of the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both
>> lists shortly,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next
>> steps is
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The
>> full
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've
>> updated the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <
>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best
>> time
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking
>> forward
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <
>> http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to
>> record and share the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list.
>> Please let us know if
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open
>> mailing list if you
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC
>> lists,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
>> faced in
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>> lists/establishment
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as
>> information sharing
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>> decision
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they
>> were available for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member
>> you can join the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to
>> have a vague idea
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and
>> the relevant
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward.
>> The discussions here
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh
>> has kindly offered to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
>> faced
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>> lists/establishment
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as
>> information sharing
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we
>> also reach out to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and
>> inform the discussion
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the
>> conference room link
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and
>> have a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with
>> what Nnenna and Jeremy
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within
>> IGC and Bestbits
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really
>> improve participation?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be
>> done,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who
>> started
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions
>> and perspectives, same
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely
>> that
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which
>> many
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some
>> difficulty with
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks
>> for the group.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do
>> that now or do we need
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering
>> Committee
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since
>> it had
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the
>> 2012 ITU
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint
>> action
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had
>> driven
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There
>> were
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants
>> having
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own
>> funding.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability
>> resulted in
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of
>> rules
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people
>> weren't
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the
>> more
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that.
>> But I
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it
>> as
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new
>> nonprofit
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget
>> -q -i
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
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>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize
>> Economics, 1979
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> 173B
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>> > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>> > >>>>>>>
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>> > >>>>>>
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>> > >>>>>> --
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>> >
>> > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>> > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>> > >>>>> <
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>> >
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>>
>> > >>> <
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>> >
>> > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>> > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>> > >>> <
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>> >
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>> *Sheetal Kumar*
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> *Sheetal Kumar*
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From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 12:18:34 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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Dear Sheetal

Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and time
clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not be avoided?

Thanks

Anriette

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Anriette Esterhuysen
Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
Association for Progressive Communications
apc.org
afrisig.org
anriette at apc.org

On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to plan
> the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:
>
>   * Room Dougga
>   * June 11, _9am-12:30pm _
>   * Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>
> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be
> part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet
> before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed
> interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
>
> Hope to see many of you soon!
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
> -- 
>
> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
> <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>
>     Dear all, 
>
>     Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
>     off-thread expressing interest in the effort. 
>
>     @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at the
>     RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will
>     you be at RightsCon?
>
>     On the way forward:
>
>       * Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to
>         attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of
>         course we'd like to accommodate everyone who can attend
>       * If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please
>         do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated
>         and you can input into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the
>         discussions if we have good wifi)
>
>     Best
>     Sheetal.
>
>     On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov
>     <ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>> wrote:
>
>         Dear all,
>
>          
>
>         Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire
>         if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place.
>
>          
>
>         Please let me know.
>
>          
>
>          
>
>         Bach Avezdjanov
>
>         Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>
>         Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>
>         Phone: 212 854 1591
>
>         Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>
>         Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>         <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>
>         *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter!
>         <http://columbia.us8.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=5b024e7a0c16e2779164ac24d&id=67263d095b>*
>
>          
>
>          
>
>          
>
>          
>
>          
>
>         *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>         [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] *On Behalf Of
>         *Lee W McKnight
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>         *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi
>         Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>         <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>         governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>         <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance; Sheetal Kumar
>         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey
>         on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>
>          
>
>         Hi,
>
>          
>
>         Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>
>          
>
>         For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
>         Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and
>         the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss
>         overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights
>         and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation and
>         translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles
>         among other positive outcomes. 
>
>          
>
>         So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of
>         this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize
>         also the cross-CS coordination right? 
>
>         Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and
>         methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty
>         meeting feel (at times to this prof).
>
>          
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>         <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf of
>         Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>         <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>         *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>         *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
>         muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>         <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>         governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>         <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance
>         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey
>         on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>
>          
>
>         Dear all
>
>          
>
>         Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of 
>         those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes &
>         participants here: 
>         https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see
>         below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward
>         plan going forward.
>
>           * IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a
>             day 0 event at IGF
>           * Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal
>             steering committee to organise the event - you don't have
>             to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree
>             how to approach the organisation of the event however they
>             see fit
>           * Members of other lists are invited to join once an
>             informal agenda has been put together
>           * Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this
>             effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to
>             include the idea of focusing the day 0 event on reviving
>             IGC (and many others that have already been proposed)
>
>         Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like
>         we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you
>         will agree that the discussions had so far, the interest and
>         commitment to global level coordination, would be usefully
>         served by collectively putting together an agenda that
>         responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.
>
>          
>
>         Please provide your views on this.
>
>          
>
>         Best
>
>         Sheetal.
>
>          
>
>         On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar
>         <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>
>             Dear all,
>
>              
>
>             Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I
>             have the recording I'll send it around. In the meantime,
>             you can see a short summary at the top of the etherpad.
>             Apologies for its staccato nature but it should provide an
>             overview of what we discussed:
>             https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>             <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>
>              
>
>             In essence, we discussed the reasons that these
>             discussions about civil society coordination have recently
>             re-surfaced and those on the call reiterated the
>             commitment to global-level coordination and the need to
>             work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the
>             survey results and discussed the fact that although about
>             half of the respondents supported exploring a 'merger'
>             with IGC, around half also thought expanding the mandate
>             of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call
>             mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is
>             important to leverage and there is complementary between
>             Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, we shouldn't lose
>             that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>
>              
>
>             We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the
>             IGC would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could
>             work. We were cognizant of the limited number of the
>             people on the call, so we agreed to put something short
>             together and then to share it with you for your feedback
>             before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working
>             on that simple proposal to share with you. I'll share it
>             shortly. If anyone else on the call wants to chime in with
>             more information please do.
>
>              
>
>             If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>
>              
>
>             Best
>
>             Sheetal.
>
>              
>
>             On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen
>             <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>             <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
>
>                 I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust
>                 someone will
>                 report on the meeting.
>
>                 Regards,
>
>                 -- 
>                 Tapani Tarvainen
>
>                 On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar
>                 (sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:
>
>                 > Dear all,
>                 >
>                 > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting
>                 in under an hour at 1
>                 > PM UTC (see the link below).
>                 >
>                 > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>                 >
>                 > Best
>                 > Sheetal.
>                 >
>                 > Meeting room details
>                 >
>                 > *Meeting URL*
>                 > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>                 >
>                 > Meeting ID
>                 > 524 189 381
>                 > Want to dial in from a phone?
>                 >
>                 > Dial one of the following numbers:
>                 > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>                 > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>                 > (see all numbers -
>                 https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>                 >
>                 > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>                 >
>                 > Connecting from a room system?
>                 > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and
>                 enter your meeting ID & passcode
>                 >
>                 > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar
>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 >
>                 > > Dear all
>                 > >
>                 > > As promised, please find below the details for
>                 meeting us on *Wednesday,
>                 > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda
>                 further below too.
>                 > >
>                 > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>                 > >
>                 > > Best
>                 > > Sheetal.
>                 > >
>                 > > Meeting room details
>                 > >
>                 > > *Meeting URL*
>                 > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>                 > >
>                 > > Meeting ID
>                 > > 524 189 381
>                 > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>                 > >
>                 > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>                 > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>                 > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>                 > > (see all numbers -
>                 https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>                 > >
>                 > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>                 > >
>                 > > Connecting from a room system?
>                 > > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and
>                 enter your meeting ID & passcode
>                 > >
>                 > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the
>                 discussion around
>                 > > improving coordination are welcome so please share
>                 with anyone relevant.
>                 > >
>                 > > Suggested agenda
>                 > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a
>                 recap of what's happened
>                 > > so far
>                 > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>                 > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>                 > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>                 > >
>                 > >
>                 > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian
>                 muthusamy <
>                 > > 6.internet at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                 > >
>                 > >>
>                 > >> Dear Akinremi,
>                 > >>
>                 > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has
>                 reached the participants of
>                 > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that
>                 "discussion about
>                 > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If
>                 riseup.net <http://riseup.net> is working,
>                 > >> then I do not have concerns.
>                 > >>
>                 > >> Thank you.
>                 > >>
>                 > >> Sivasubramanian M
>                 <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>                 > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>                 <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>                 > >>
>                 > >>
>                 > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>                 > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                 > >>
>                 > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>                 > >>>
>                 > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying
>                 igcaucus.org <http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
>                 > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on
>                 riseup.net <http://riseup.net> mailing-list.
>                 > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are
>                 trying to do so as to be
>                 > >>> able to help.
>                 > >>>
>                 > >>> Regards.
>                 > >>> Peter
>                 > >>>
>                 > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian
>                 muthusamy <
>                 > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                 > >>>
>                 > >>>>
>                 > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by
>                 the Bestbits list to
>                 > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on
>                 a different problem. The
>                 > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving
>                 messages, who is managing the
>                 > >>>> Governance lists please?
>                 > >>>>
>                 > >>>> Sivasubramanian M
>                 <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>                 > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>                 <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>                 > >>>>
>                 > >>>>
>                 > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter
>                 Taiwo <
>                 > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>
>                 > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey
>                 should be limited to
>                 > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about
>                 merging should be limited to
>                 > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do
>                 a kind of an independent
>                 > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of
>                 whether the group should cease
>                 > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some
>                 folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>                 > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared
>                 some contacts on the
>                 > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy
>                 issue you are referring to.
>                 > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the
>                 picture of any privacy issue that
>                 > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw
>                 more light on this.
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of
>                 CSCG, part of our
>                 > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil
>                 society organization in the
>                 > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the
>                 individual wearing many hat remains.
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>> Regards.
>                 > >>>>> Peter
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM
>                 Sivasubramanian M <
>                 > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net
>                 <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a
>                 limited response, only
>                 > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>                 > >>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC
>                 list?  Possibly the poll
>                 > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are
>                 subscribed only to the IGC list.
>                 > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says
>                 "future of Bestbits" rather than
>                 > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>                 > >>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>                 > >>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of
>                 engagement in these
>                 > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil
>                 society coordination, and I know
>                 > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing
>                 motivation. The conversations have
>                 > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in
>                 changing the current situation
>                 > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a
>                 coordination network), and
>                 > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen
>                 global civil society coordination
>                 > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the
>                 survey which gathered a
>                 > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I
>                 attached a summary report of
>                 > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF
>                 in Paris there was discussion
>                 > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year.
>                 Before we do that however, it
>                 > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to
>                 the survey and agree a way
>                 > >>>>>>> forward.
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a
>                 suggested agenda. It would be
>                 > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March
>                 so I can confirm the date and
>                 > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>                 > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>                 > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>                 > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy
>                 and contributions so far!
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar
>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>                 > >>>>>>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed
>                 the survey. I have
>                 > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text
>                 document, with a summary included
>                 > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split
>                 call, with the first half
>                 > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting
>                 a way forward (45 minutes-1
>                 > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed
>                 necessary, with IGC founders and other
>                 > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that
>                 as a separate call too.
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey
>                 have been to find a way
>                 > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society
>                 coordination, and thus to change
>                 > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that
>                 they help in finding a way
>                 > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing,
>                 responds to the widest possible
>                 > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other
>                 suggestions on how to proceed,
>                 > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send
>                 around a doodle for a follow up
>                 > >>>>>>>> call.
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar
>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of
>                 responses but it would be great
>                 > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future
>                 of Bestbits. If you could fill
>                 > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that
>                 would be much appreciated.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for
>                 another call to decide next
>                 > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the
>                 survey so thank you to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do
>                 lend your views if you can,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey
>                 responses will feed into the next set
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this
>                 thread, please see a
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the
>                 future of Bestbits. Following a
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of
>                 Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be
>                 circulated to gather views of all members.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background
>                 information note which
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so
>                 far, and links to the summaries of
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing
>                 list, you are invited to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future
>                 discussions in a timely way, please
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*.
>                 Should you have any
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get
>                 in touch.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal
>                 Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in
>                 the call yesterday. For
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call,
>                 you'll find the list of participants
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the
>                 possible ways forward for
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous
>                 conversation in December and the
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement
>                 that both Bestbits and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in
>                 fulfilling their objectives,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to
>                 coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather
>                 perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It
>                 was suggested that this survey with
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a
>                 decision on the future of the
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be
>                 circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly
>                 appreciated.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal
>                 Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that
>                 the call on next steps is
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from*
>                 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous
>                 email and I've updated the
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal
>                 Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle!
>                 It seems the best time
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on
>                 February 11*. The full
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to
>                 join, are below.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the
>                 room. Looking forward
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as
>                 possible on the 11th!
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC
>                 <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc
>                 <http://bjn.vc> -or-199.48.152.152
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers -
>                 http://bluejeans.com/numbers
>                 <http://bluejeans.com/numbers>)
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your
>                 phone number will
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We
>                 would like to record and share the
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the
>                 mailing list. Please let us know if
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be
>                 shared on an open mailing list if you
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the
>                 Bestbits and IGC lists,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger
>                 + other options
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>                 challenges and issues faced in
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger
>                 of lists/establishment
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo -
>                 using lists as information sharing
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement
>                 on process for decision
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those
>                 who indicated they were available for
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as
>                 a Bestbits member you can join the
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the
>                 pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal
>                 Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the
>                 engagement on this topic, and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared
>                 their perspectives and the relevant
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we
>                 agreed to touch base
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to
>                 agree a way forward. The discussions here
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the
>                 discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for
>                 our second call to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a
>                 suggested agenda:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>                 challenges and issues faced
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger
>                 of lists/establishment
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo,
>                 e.g using lists as information sharing
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>                 steps/agreement on process for
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of
>                 Bestbits
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged
>                 the last call, we
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are
>                 invited but that we also reach out to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some
>                 background and inform the discussion
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the
>                 doodle by the end of next
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a
>                 time and send the conference room link
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10,
>                 Deirdre Williams <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion
>                 with care, and have a
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to
>                 fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped
>                 sharing
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/
>                 working together within IGC and Bestbits
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two
>                 groups again really improve participation?
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at
>                 what needs to be done,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to
>                 do it?
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as
>                 the people who started
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives,
>                 same perceptions and perspectives, same
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions
>                 it seems unlikely that
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please
>                 consider IRPC (which many
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is
>                 currently having some difficulty with
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out
>                 management tasks for the group.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means
>                 to discuss issues and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this
>                 the right way to do that now or do we need
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09,
>                 Jeremy Malcolm <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au
>                 <mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar
>                 wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the
>                 first Steering Committee
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information
>                 about how it was
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had
>                 become toxic and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had
>                 been a while since it had
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the
>                 same time, the 2012 ITU
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to
>                 collaborate on joint action
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between
>                 people both inside and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the
>                 first volunteer steering
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society
>                 politics that had driven
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best
>                 Bits too. There were
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about
>                 various participants having
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough
>                 about their own funding.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly
>                 lightweight and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of
>                 accountability resulted in
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more
>                 elaborate set of rules
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too
>                 heavy and people weren't
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes,
>                 indicating that the more
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing
>                 people who could
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd
>                 be all for that. But I
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given
>                 as much time to it as
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my
>                 energy on my new nonprofit
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy
>                 advocate, geek
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr
>                 '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 ____________________________________________________________
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>                 settings, visit:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     
>                 http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty
>                 is not money but
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur
>                 Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>                 London, E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
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>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>                 London, E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
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>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>                 London, E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
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>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>                 London, E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
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>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>                 London, E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
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>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>                 London, E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
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>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>                 E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
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>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>                 E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
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From sheetal at gp-digital.org  Thu May 23 06:27:37 2019
From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 11:27:37 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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Dear Anriette, all,

I thought the JustNet Coalition event was scheduled from 2:00-4:15 pm on
June 11. Is this correct or is there also another event before?

Best
Sheetal

On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 11:19, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:

> Dear Sheetal
>
> Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and time
> clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not be avoided?
>
> Thanks
>
> Anriette
>
> -----------------------------
> Anriette Esterhuysen
> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
> Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org
>
> On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to plan the
> IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:
>
>    - Room Dougga
>    - June 11, *9am-12:30pm *
>    - Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>
> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be part of
> the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet before/after the
> event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed interest in this effort
> so I can add you to that too.
>
> Hope to see many of you soon!
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
> --
>
> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies off-thread
>> expressing interest in the effort.
>>
>> @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at the
>> RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you be
>> at RightsCon?
>>
>> On the way forward:
>>
>>    - Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to attend
>>    that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd like to
>>    accommodate everyone who can attend
>>    - If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please do get
>>    in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and you can input
>>    into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have good
>>    wifi)
>>
>> Best
>> Sheetal.
>>
>> On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov <ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire if we
>>> could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bach Avezdjanov
>>>
>>> Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>
>>> Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu
>>>
>>> Phone: 212 854 1591
>>>
>>> Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>>
>>> Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>> <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Lee W McKnight
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter
>>> Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt; governance at lists.igcaucus.org;
>>> governance; Sheetal Kumar
>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the
>>> future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in Hyderabad where
>>> the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on Internet Principles
>>> had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition
>>> on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation and
>>> translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles among other
>>> positive outcomes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of this; ie
>>> among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the cross-CS
>>> coordination right?
>>>
>>> Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and methods
>>> embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at times to
>>> this prof).
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net <
>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar <
>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian muthusamy;
>>> Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt;
>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance
>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the
>>> future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of  those of
>>> us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants here:
>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see below what
>>> some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going forward.
>>>
>>>    - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a day 0
>>>    event at IGF
>>>    - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal steering
>>>    committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as
>>>    'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation
>>>    of the event however they see fit
>>>    - Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal agenda
>>>    has been put together
>>>    - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this effort
>>>    come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of
>>>    focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already
>>>    been proposed)
>>>
>>> Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've now
>>> decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the
>>> discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level
>>> coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an
>>> agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please provide your views on this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Sheetal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the
>>> recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary
>>> at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should
>>> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about civil
>>> society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call
>>> reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work
>>> together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
>>> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported
>>> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the
>>> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call
>>> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage
>>> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore,
>>> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC would be
>>> helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the
>>> limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put something
>>> short together and then to share it with you for your feedback before
>>> sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple proposal
>>> to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants
>>> to chime in with more information please do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Sheetal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <
>>> tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
>>> report on the meeting.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>>
>>> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dear all,
>>> >
>>> > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour
>>> at 1
>>> > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>> >
>>> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>> >
>>> > Best
>>> > Sheetal.
>>> >
>>> > Meeting room details
>>> >
>>> > *Meeting URL*
>>> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>> >
>>> > Meeting ID
>>> > 524 189 381
>>> > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>> >
>>> > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>> >
>>> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>> >
>>> > Connecting from a room system?
>>> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Dear all
>>> > >
>>> > > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on
>>> *Wednesday,
>>> > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
>>> > >
>>> > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>> > >
>>> > > Best
>>> > > Sheetal.
>>> > >
>>> > > Meeting room details
>>> > >
>>> > > *Meeting URL*
>>> > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>> > >
>>> > > Meeting ID
>>> > > 524 189 381
>>> > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>> > >
>>> > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>> > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>> > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>> > > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>> > >
>>> > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>> > >
>>> > > Connecting from a room system?
>>> > > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>> > >
>>> > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
>>> > > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone
>>> relevant.
>>> > >
>>> > > Suggested agenda
>>> > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's
>>> happened
>>> > > so far
>>> > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>> > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>> > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>> > > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the
>>> participants of
>>> > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
>>> > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is
>>> working,
>>> > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thank you.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Sivasubramanian M <
>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>> > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>> > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox
>>> is not
>>> > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net
>>> mailing-list.
>>> > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as
>>> to be
>>> > >>> able to help.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Regards.
>>> > >>> Peter
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>> > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list
>>> to
>>> > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different
>>> problem. The
>>> > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing
>>> the
>>> > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Sivasubramanian M <
>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>> > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>> > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
>>> > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be
>>> limited to
>>> > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an
>>> independent
>>> > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group
>>> should cease
>>> > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC
>>> group wants IGC
>>> > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on
>>> the
>>> > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are
>>> referring to.
>>> > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy
>>> issue that
>>> > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
>>> > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society
>>> organization in the
>>> > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many
>>> hat remains.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Regards.
>>> > >>>>> Peter
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>>> > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
>>> > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the
>>> poll
>>> > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to
>>> the IGC list.
>>> > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits"
>>> rather than
>>> > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>> > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination,
>>> and I know
>>> > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The
>>> conversations have
>>> > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current
>>> situation
>>> > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>> > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society
>>> coordination
>>> > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which
>>> gathered a
>>> > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a
>>> summary report of
>>> > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there
>>> was discussion
>>> > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that
>>> however, it
>>> > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree
>>> a way
>>> > >>>>>>> forward.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It
>>> would be
>>> > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm
>>> the date and
>>> > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>> > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>> > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>> > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions
>>> so far!
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>>> > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a
>>> summary included
>>> > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first
>>> half
>>> > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45
>>> minutes-1
>>> > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC
>>> founders and other
>>> > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call
>>> too.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find
>>> a way
>>> > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to
>>> change
>>> > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in
>>> finding a way
>>> > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the
>>> widest possible
>>> > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on
>>> how to proceed,
>>> > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for
>>> a follow up
>>> > >>>>>>>> call.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be
>>> great
>>> > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If
>>> you could fill
>>> > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much
>>> appreciated.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to
>>> decide next
>>> > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if
>>> you can,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed
>>> into the next set
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see
>>> a
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of
>>> Bestbits. Following a
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as
>>> members of IGC, it
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather
>>> views of all members.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note
>>> which
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to
>>> the summaries of
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited
>>> to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a
>>> timely way, please
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call
>>> yesterday. For
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list
>>> of participants
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward
>>> for
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in
>>> December and the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both
>>> Bestbits and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their
>>> objectives,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed
>>> to circulate a
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four
>>> suggested ways forward
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that
>>> this survey with
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the
>>> future of the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both
>>> lists shortly,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next
>>> steps is
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The
>>> full
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've
>>> updated the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <
>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best
>>> time
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking
>>> forward
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <
>>> http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to
>>> record and share the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list.
>>> Please let us know if
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open
>>> mailing list if you
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC
>>> lists,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
>>> faced in
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>>> lists/establishment
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as
>>> information sharing
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>> decision
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>> >and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they
>>> were available for
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member
>>> you can join the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just
>>> to have a vague idea
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic,
>>> and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and
>>> the relevant
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch
>>> base
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward.
>>> The discussions here
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh
>>> has kindly offered to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
>>> faced
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>>> lists/establishment
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as
>>> information sharing
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we
>>> also reach out to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and
>>> inform the discussion
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of
>>> next
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the
>>> conference room link
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and
>>> have a
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with
>>> what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together
>>> within IGC and Bestbits
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really
>>> improve participation?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be
>>> done,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who
>>> started
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions
>>> and perspectives, same
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely
>>> that
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which
>>> many
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some
>>> difficulty with
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks
>>> for the group.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues
>>> and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do
>>> that now or do we need
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering
>>> Committee
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since
>>> it had
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the
>>> 2012 ITU
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint
>>> action
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer
>>> steering
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had
>>> driven
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There
>>> were
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants
>>> having
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own
>>> funding.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability
>>> resulted in
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of
>>> rules
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people
>>> weren't
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the
>>> more
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that.
>>> But I
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it
>>> as
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new
>>> nonprofit
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget
>>> -q -i
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize
>>> Economics, 1979
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> --
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>> >
>>> > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>> > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
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>>>
>>>
>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>
>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>
>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>
>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>
>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 12:37:08 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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Dear Sheetal

You are right. I just checked. I was misled by this gif in Twitter but I
checked Parminder's email, and you are correct. The event is in the
afternoon.

Apologies.

Anriette


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Anriette Esterhuysen
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Association for Progressive Communications
apc.org
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anriette at apc.org

On 2019/05/23 12:27, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
> Dear Anriette, all,
>
> I thought the JustNet Coalition event was scheduled from 2:00-4:15 pm
> on June 11. Is this correct or is there also another event before?
>
> Best
> Sheetal
>
> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 11:19, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org
> <mailto:anriette at apc.org>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Sheetal
>
>     Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and
>     time clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not be
>     avoided?
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Anriette
>
>     -----------------------------
>     Anriette Esterhuysen
>     Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
>     Association for Progressive Communications
>     apc.org <http://apc.org>
>     afrisig.org <http://afrisig.org>
>     anriette at apc.org <mailto:anriette at apc.org>
>
>     On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>     Dear all,
>>
>>     Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to
>>     plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details
>>     below:
>>
>>       * Room Dougga
>>       * June 11, _9am-12:30pm _
>>       * Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>>
>>     If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to
>>     be part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to
>>     meet before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who
>>     expressed interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
>>
>>     Hope to see many of you soon!
>>
>>     Best
>>     Sheetal.
>>     -- 
>>
>>     On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>     <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Dear all, 
>>
>>         Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
>>         off-thread expressing interest in the effort. 
>>
>>         @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space
>>         at the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful
>>         if not! Will you be at RightsCon?
>>
>>         On the way forward:
>>
>>           * Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like
>>             to attend that first meeting as there is limited space
>>             but of course we'd like to accommodate everyone who can
>>             attend
>>           * If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then
>>             please do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping
>>             everyone updated and you can input into the meeting
>>             agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have good wifi)
>>
>>         Best
>>         Sheetal.
>>
>>         On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov
>>         <ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>             Dear all,
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could
>>             inquire if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it
>>             takes place.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Please let me know.
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Bach Avezdjanov
>>
>>             Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>
>>             Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>>
>>             Phone: 212 854 1591
>>
>>             Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>
>>             Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>             <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>>
>>             *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter!
>>             <http://columbia.us8.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=5b024e7a0c16e2779164ac24d&id=67263d095b>*
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>             *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>             [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] *On Behalf
>>             Of *Lee W McKnight
>>             *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>             *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy;
>>             Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>             <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>             governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>             <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance;
>>             Sheetal Kumar
>>             *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from
>>             survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Hi,
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
>>             Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights
>>             and the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to
>>             discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on
>>             Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to
>>             the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet
>>             Rights and Principles among other positive outcomes. 
>>
>>              
>>
>>             So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward
>>             out of this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to
>>             help energize also the cross-CS coordination right? 
>>
>>             Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset
>>             and methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal
>>             faculty meeting feel (at times to this prof).
>>
>>              
>>
>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>             *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>             <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf
>>             of Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>             <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>             *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>             *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
>>             muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo;
>>             bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>             <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>             governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>             <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance
>>             *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from
>>             survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Dear all
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Following our discussions, and some discussions among
>>             some of  those of us who attended the last call four
>>             weeks ago (notes & participants here: 
>>             https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see
>>             below what some of us propose as a hopefully
>>             straightforward plan going forward.
>>
>>               * IGC and Bestbits list members work together to
>>                 organise a day 0 event at IGF
>>               * Volunteers from both lists come together in an
>>                 informal steering committee to organise the event -
>>                 you don't have to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC
>>                 necessarily and can agree how to approach the
>>                 organisation of the event however they see fit
>>               * Members of other lists are invited to join once an
>>                 informal agenda has been put together
>>               * Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in
>>                 this effort come together to discuss preliminary
>>                 ideas - to include the idea of focusing the day 0
>>                 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have
>>                 already been proposed)
>>
>>             Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound
>>             like we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I
>>             hope you will agree that the discussions had so far, the
>>             interest and commitment to global level coordination,
>>             would be usefully served by collectively putting together
>>             an agenda that responds to the interests of those
>>             committed to these efforts.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Please provide your views on this.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Best
>>
>>             Sheetal.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>             <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>                 Dear all,
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once
>>                 I have the recording I'll send it around. In the
>>                 meantime, you can see a short summary at the top of
>>                 the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but
>>                 it should provide an overview of what we discussed:
>>                 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 In essence, we discussed the reasons that these
>>                 discussions about civil society coordination have
>>                 recently re-surfaced and those on the call reiterated
>>                 the commitment to global-level coordination and the
>>                 need to work together in a less fragmented way. We
>>                 looked at the survey results and discussed the fact
>>                 that although about half of the respondents supported
>>                 exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also
>>                 thought expanding the mandate of the CSCG could be an
>>                 option. However, those on the call mentioned that the
>>                 historical standing of the IGC is important to
>>                 leverage and there is complementary between Bestbits
>>                 and IGCs mandates. Therefore, we shouldn't lose that
>>                 in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 We discussed that proposing something more concrete
>>                 to the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a
>>                 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the limited
>>                 number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put
>>                 something short together and then to share it with
>>                 you for your feedback before sharing it with IGC. At
>>                 the moment, we're working on that simple proposal to
>>                 share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else
>>                 on the call wants to chime in with more information
>>                 please do.
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 Best
>>
>>                 Sheetal.
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen
>>                 <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>>                 <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                     I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust
>>                     someone will
>>                     report on the meeting.
>>
>>                     Regards,
>>
>>                     -- 
>>                     Tapani Tarvainen
>>
>>                     On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar
>>                     (sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:
>>
>>                     > Dear all,
>>                     >
>>                     > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be
>>                     meeting in under an hour at 1
>>                     > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>                     >
>>                     > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>                     >
>>                     > Best
>>                     > Sheetal.
>>                     >
>>                     > Meeting room details
>>                     >
>>                     > *Meeting URL*
>>                     > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>                     >
>>                     > Meeting ID
>>                     > 524 189 381
>>                     > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>                     >
>>                     > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>                     > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>                     > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>                     > (see all numbers -
>>                     https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>                     >
>>                     > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>                     >
>>                     > Connecting from a room system?
>>                     > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152
>>                     and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>                     >
>>                     > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar
>>                     <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     >
>>                     > > Dear all
>>                     > >
>>                     > > As promised, please find below the details
>>                     for meeting us on *Wednesday,
>>                     > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the
>>                     agenda further below too.
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Best
>>                     > > Sheetal.
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Meeting room details
>>                     > >
>>                     > > *Meeting URL*
>>                     > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Meeting ID
>>                     > > 524 189 381
>>                     > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>                     > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>                     > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>                     > > (see all numbers -
>>                     https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Connecting from a room system?
>>                     > > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or
>>                     199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in
>>                     the discussion around
>>                     > > improving coordination are welcome so please
>>                     share with anyone relevant.
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Suggested agenda
>>                     > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this
>>                     discussion/a recap of what's happened
>>                     > > so far
>>                     > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>                     > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>                     > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>                     > >
>>                     > >
>>                     > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian
>>                     muthusamy <
>>                     > > 6.internet at gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                     > >
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has
>>                     reached the participants of
>>                     > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking
>>                     that "discussion about
>>                     > >> merging should be limited to each group". 
>>                     If riseup.net <http://riseup.net> is working,
>>                     > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >> Thank you.
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >> Sivasubramanian M
>>                     <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>                     > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>                     <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi
>>                     Peter Taiwo <
>>                     > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>                     > >>>
>>                     > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying
>>                     igcaucus.org <http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
>>                     > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted
>>                     on riseup.net <http://riseup.net> mailing-list.
>>                     > >>> Please can you help me understand what you
>>                     are trying to do so as to be
>>                     > >>> able to help.
>>                     > >>>
>>                     > >>> Regards.
>>                     > >>> Peter
>>                     > >>>
>>                     > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM
>>                     sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>                     > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>
>>                     > >>>>
>>                     > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally
>>                     decided by the Bestbits list to
>>                     > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note
>>                     here on a different problem. The
>>                     > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving
>>                     messages, who is managing the
>>                     > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>                     > >>>>
>>                     > >>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>                     <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>                     > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>                     <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>                     > >>>>
>>                     > >>>>
>>                     > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi
>>                     Peter Taiwo <
>>                     > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>
>>                     > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the
>>                     survey should be limited to
>>                     > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion
>>                     about merging should be limited to
>>                     > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group
>>                     to do a kind of an independent
>>                     > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision
>>                     of whether the group should cease
>>                     > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that
>>                     some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>                     > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly
>>                     shared some contacts on the
>>                     > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the
>>                     privacy issue you are referring to.
>>                     > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the
>>                     picture of any privacy issue that
>>                     > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could
>>                     throw more light on this.
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review
>>                     of CSCG, part of our
>>                     > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional
>>                     civil society organization in the
>>                     > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the
>>                     individual wearing many hat remains.
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>> Regards.
>>                     > >>>>> Peter
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM
>>                     Sivasubramanian M <
>>                     > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net
>>                     <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see
>>                     a limited response, only
>>                     > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>                     > >>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the
>>                     IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>                     > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who
>>                     are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>                     > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message
>>                     says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>                     > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>                     > >>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>                     > >>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal
>>                     Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level
>>                     of engagement in these
>>                     > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil
>>                     society coordination, and I know
>>                     > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing
>>                     motivation. The conversations have
>>                     > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in
>>                     changing the current situation
>>                     > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a
>>                     coordination network), and
>>                     > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen
>>                     global civil society coordination
>>                     > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and
>>                     the survey which gathered a
>>                     > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been
>>                     helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>                     > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the
>>                     last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>                     > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this
>>                     year. Before we do that however, it
>>                     > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses
>>                     to the survey and agree a way
>>                     > >>>>>>> forward.
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a
>>                     suggested agenda. It would be
>>                     > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29
>>                     March so I can confirm the date and
>>                     > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>                     > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>                     > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>                     > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your
>>                     energy and contributions so far!
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal
>>                     Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who
>>                     completed the survey. I have
>>                     > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a
>>                     text document, with a summary included
>>                     > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split
>>                     call, with the first half
>>                     > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and
>>                     suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>                     > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed
>>                     necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>                     > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange
>>                     that as a separate call too.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the
>>                     survey have been to find a way
>>                     > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society
>>                     coordination, and thus to change
>>                     > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope
>>                     that they help in finding a way
>>                     > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so
>>                     doing, responds to the widest possible
>>                     > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any
>>                     other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>                     > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll
>>                     send around a doodle for a follow up
>>                     > >>>>>>>> call.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal
>>                     Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of
>>                     responses but it would be great
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the
>>                     future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday
>>                     that would be much appreciated.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle
>>                     for another call to decide next
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal
>>                     Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to
>>                     the survey so thank you to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please
>>                     do lend your views if you can,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey
>>                     responses will feed into the next set
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of
>>                     Bestbits.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37,
>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on
>>                     this thread, please see a
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views
>>                     on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of
>>                     Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be
>>                     circulated to gather views of all members.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a
>>                     background information note which
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the
>>                     discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing
>>                     list, you are invited to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform
>>                     future discussions in a timely way, please
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*.
>>                     Should you have any
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to
>>                     get in touch.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08,
>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who
>>                     participated in the call yesterday. For
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the
>>                     call, you'll find the list of participants
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the
>>                     possible ways forward for
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous
>>                     conversation in December and the
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general
>>                     agreement that both Bestbits and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in
>>                     fulfilling their objectives,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to
>>                     coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather
>>                     perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call.
>>                     It was suggested that this survey with
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into
>>                     a decision on the future of the
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be
>>                     circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be
>>                     greatly appreciated.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47,
>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder
>>                     that the call on next steps is
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February
>>                     from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my
>>                     previous email and I've updated the
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>>                     <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to
>>                     you then!
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07,
>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the
>>                     doodle! It seems the best time
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on
>>                     February 11*. The full
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including
>>                     how to join, are below.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting
>>                     up the room. Looking forward
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as
>>                     possible on the 11th!
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC
>>                     <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System:
>>                     bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> -or-199.48.152.152
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary,
>>                     San Jose))
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers -
>>                     http://bluejeans.com/numbers
>>                     <http://bluejeans.com/numbers>)
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in,
>>                     your phone number will
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room
>>                     page. We would like to record and share the
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network
>>                     on the mailing list. Please let us know if
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to
>>                     be shared on an open mailing list if you
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of
>>                     the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a
>>                     merger + other options
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>                     challenges and issues faced in
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>                     merger of lists/establishment
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo
>>                     - using lists as information sharing
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>                     steps/agreement on process for decision
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of
>>                     those who indicated they were available for
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of
>>                     course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in
>>                     the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13,
>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the
>>                     engagement on this topic, and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared
>>                     their perspectives and the relevant
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the
>>                     call we agreed to touch base
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January
>>                     to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the
>>                     discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space
>>                     for us.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle
>>                     for our second call to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a
>>                     suggested agenda:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>                     challenges and issues faced
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>                     merger of lists/establishment
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status
>>                     quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>                     approach
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>                     steps/agreement on process for
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding
>>                     future of Bestbits
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who
>>                     arranged the last call, we
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members
>>                     are invited but that we also reach out to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide
>>                     some background and inform the discussion
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the
>>                     doodle by the end of next
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can
>>                     set a time and send the conference room link
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10,
>>                     Deirdre Williams <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this
>>                     discussion with care, and have a
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem
>>                     to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less
>>                     stopped sharing
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/
>>                     working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the
>>                     two groups again really improve participation?
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to
>>                     look at what needs to be done,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we
>>                     want to do it?
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the
>>                     same as the people who started
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same
>>                     objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these
>>                     questions it seems unlikely that
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration
>>                     please consider IRPC (which many
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is
>>                     currently having some difficulty with
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to
>>                     carry out management tasks for the group.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a
>>                     means to discuss issues and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is
>>                     this the right way to do that now or do we need
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09,
>>                     Jeremy Malcolm <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au
>>                     <mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal
>>                     Kumar wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of
>>                     the first Steering Committee
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more
>>                     information about how it was
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse
>>                     had become toxic and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It
>>                     had been a while since it had
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement.
>>                     At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to
>>                     collaborate on joint action
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations
>>                     between people both inside and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the
>>                     first volunteer steering
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil
>>                     society politics that had driven
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt
>>                     Best Bits too. There were
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about
>>                     various participants having
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent
>>                     enough about their own funding.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been
>>                     fairly lightweight and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms
>>                     of accountability resulted in
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a
>>                     more elaborate set of rules
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was
>>                     too heavy and people weren't
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new
>>                     processes, indicating that the more
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been
>>                     better.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of
>>                     willing people who could
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal
>>                     elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have
>>                     given as much time to it as
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my
>>                     energy on my new nonprofit
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons)
>>                     B Com
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy
>>                     advocate, geek
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr
>>                     '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for
>>                     poverty is not money but
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur
>>                     Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL
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>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>                     DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
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>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
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>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>                     DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>                     DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>                     > > --
>>                     > >
>>                     > >
>>                     > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>                     > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>                     > >
>>                     >
>>                     > --
>>                     >
>>                     >
>>                     > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>                     > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>                 -- 
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 *Sheetal Kumar*
>>
>>                 Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>
>>                 Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>
>>                 T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>                 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
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>>
>>
>>             -- 
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>             *Sheetal Kumar*
>>
>>             Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>
>>             Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>
>>             T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>             PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
>>             173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>>
>>         -- 
>>         *
>>         *
>>         *
>>         *
>>         *Sheetal Kumar*
>>         Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>         Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>         T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>         PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>         E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     *
>>     *
>>     *
>>     *
>>     *Sheetal Kumar*
>>     Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>     Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>     T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>     PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu May 23 06:45:30 2019
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 16:15:30 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
 Bestbits: next steps
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Dear Anriette

Thanks for this.

Fortunately, we changed the timing to after lunch (200 - 415 PM), and so
people should be able to attend both...

The timing and venue now is as follows


Just Net Colaition invites you to our workshop
*What do social movements need to do in the age of data? Towards a
digital justice manifesto*

Venue: Hôtel LAICO Tunis (RightsCon Venue), CARTHAGE 2
Date: June 11, 2:00-4:15 pm


Best regards

parminder

On 23/05/19 3:48 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>
> Dear Sheetal
>
> Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and time
> clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not be avoided?
>
> Thanks
>
> Anriette
>
> -----------------------------
> Anriette Esterhuysen
> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
> Association for Progressive Communications
> apc.org
> afrisig.org
> anriette at apc.org
> On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to plan
>> the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:
>>
>>   * Room Dougga
>>   * June 11, _9am-12:30pm _
>>   * Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>>
>> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be
>> part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet
>> before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed
>> interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
>>
>> Hope to see many of you soon!
>>
>> Best
>> Sheetal.
>> -- 
>>
>> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>> <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Dear all, 
>>
>>     Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
>>     off-thread expressing interest in the effort. 
>>
>>     @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at
>>     the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not!
>>     Will you be at RightsCon?
>>
>>     On the way forward:
>>
>>       * Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to
>>         attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of
>>         course we'd like to accommodate everyone who can attend
>>       * If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please
>>         do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone
>>         updated and you can input into the meeting agenda (and maybe
>>         even the discussions if we have good wifi)
>>
>>     Best
>>     Sheetal.
>>
>>     On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov
>>     <ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>         Dear all,
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could
>>         inquire if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes
>>         place.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Please let me know.
>>
>>          
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Bach Avezdjanov
>>
>>         Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>
>>         Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>>
>>         Phone: 212 854 1591
>>
>>         Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>
>>         Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>         <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>>
>>         *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter!
>>         <http://columbia.us8.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=5b024e7a0c16e2779164ac24d&id=67263d095b>*
>>
>>          
>>
>>          
>>
>>          
>>
>>          
>>
>>          
>>
>>         *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>         [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] *On Behalf Of
>>         *Lee W McKnight
>>         *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>         *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi
>>         Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>         <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>         governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>         <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance; Sheetal Kumar
>>         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey
>>         on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Hi,
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
>>         Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and
>>         the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss
>>         overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights
>>         and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation and
>>         translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles
>>         among other positive outcomes. 
>>
>>          
>>
>>         So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of
>>         this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize
>>         also the cross-CS coordination right? 
>>
>>         Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and
>>         methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty
>>         meeting feel (at times to this prof).
>>
>>          
>>
>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>         *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>         <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf of
>>         Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>         <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>         *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>         *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
>>         muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>         <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>         governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>         <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance
>>         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey
>>         on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Dear all
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Following our discussions, and some discussions among some
>>         of  those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago
>>         (notes & participants here: 
>>         https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see
>>         below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward
>>         plan going forward.
>>
>>           * IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a
>>             day 0 event at IGF
>>           * Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal
>>             steering committee to organise the event - you don't have
>>             to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree
>>             how to approach the organisation of the event however
>>             they see fit
>>           * Members of other lists are invited to join once an
>>             informal agenda has been put together
>>           * Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this
>>             effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to
>>             include the idea of focusing the day 0 event on reviving
>>             IGC (and many others that have already been proposed)
>>
>>         Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like
>>         we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you
>>         will agree that the discussions had so far, the interest and
>>         commitment to global level coordination, would be usefully
>>         served by collectively putting together an agenda that
>>         responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Please provide your views on this.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Best
>>
>>         Sheetal.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>         <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>
>>             Dear all,
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I
>>             have the recording I'll send it around. In the meantime,
>>             you can see a short summary at the top of the etherpad.
>>             Apologies for its staccato nature but it should provide
>>             an overview of what we discussed:
>>             https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>             <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>
>>              
>>
>>             In essence, we discussed the reasons that these
>>             discussions about civil society coordination have
>>             recently re-surfaced and those on the call reiterated the
>>             commitment to global-level coordination and the need to
>>             work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the
>>             survey results and discussed the fact that although about
>>             half of the respondents supported exploring a 'merger'
>>             with IGC, around half also thought expanding the mandate
>>             of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the
>>             call mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is
>>             important to leverage and there is complementary between
>>             Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, we shouldn't lose
>>             that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             We discussed that proposing something more concrete to
>>             the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could
>>             work. We were cognizant of the limited number of the
>>             people on the call, so we agreed to put something short
>>             together and then to share it with you for your feedback
>>             before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working
>>             on that simple proposal to share with you. I'll share it
>>             shortly. If anyone else on the call wants to chime in
>>             with more information please do.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Best
>>
>>             Sheetal.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen
>>             <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>>             <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                 I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust
>>                 someone will
>>                 report on the meeting.
>>
>>                 Regards,
>>
>>                 -- 
>>                 Tapani Tarvainen
>>
>>                 On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar
>>                 (sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:
>>
>>                 > Dear all,
>>                 >
>>                 > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting
>>                 in under an hour at 1
>>                 > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>                 >
>>                 > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>                 >
>>                 > Best
>>                 > Sheetal.
>>                 >
>>                 > Meeting room details
>>                 >
>>                 > *Meeting URL*
>>                 > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>                 >
>>                 > Meeting ID
>>                 > 524 189 381
>>                 > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>                 >
>>                 > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>                 > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>                 > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>                 > (see all numbers -
>>                 https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>                 >
>>                 > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>                 >
>>                 > Connecting from a room system?
>>                 > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and
>>                 enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>                 >
>>                 > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar
>>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 >
>>                 > > Dear all
>>                 > >
>>                 > > As promised, please find below the details for
>>                 meeting us on *Wednesday,
>>                 > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda
>>                 further below too.
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Best
>>                 > > Sheetal.
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Meeting room details
>>                 > >
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>>                 > >
>>                 > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the
>>                 discussion around
>>                 > > improving coordination are welcome so please
>>                 share with anyone relevant.
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Suggested agenda
>>                 > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a
>>                 recap of what's happened
>>                 > > so far
>>                 > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>                 > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>                 > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>                 > >
>>                 > >
>>                 > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian
>>                 muthusamy <
>>                 > > 6.internet at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                 > >
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has
>>                 reached the participants of
>>                 > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking
>>                 that "discussion about
>>                 > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If
>>                 riseup.net <http://riseup.net> is working,
>>                 > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >> Thank you.
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >> Sivasubramanian M
>>                 <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>                 > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>                 <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter
>>                 Taiwo <
>>                 > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying
>>                 igcaucus.org <http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
>>                 > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on
>>                 riseup.net <http://riseup.net> mailing-list.
>>                 > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are
>>                 trying to do so as to be
>>                 > >>> able to help.
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>> Regards.
>>                 > >>> Peter
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian
>>                 muthusamy <
>>                 > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>>>
>>                 > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by
>>                 the Bestbits list to
>>                 > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on
>>                 a different problem. The
>>                 > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving
>>                 messages, who is managing the
>>                 > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>                 > >>>>
>>                 > >>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>                 <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>                 > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>                 <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>                 > >>>>
>>                 > >>>>
>>                 > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter
>>                 Taiwo <
>>                 > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>
>>                 > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey
>>                 should be limited to
>>                 > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about
>>                 merging should be limited to
>>                 > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to
>>                 do a kind of an independent
>>                 > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of
>>                 whether the group should cease
>>                 > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some
>>                 folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>                 > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly
>>                 shared some contacts on the
>>                 > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the
>>                 privacy issue you are referring to.
>>                 > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the
>>                 picture of any privacy issue that
>>                 > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw
>>                 more light on this.
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of
>>                 CSCG, part of our
>>                 > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil
>>                 society organization in the
>>                 > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the
>>                 individual wearing many hat remains.
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>> Regards.
>>                 > >>>>> Peter
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM
>>                 Sivasubramanian M <
>>                 > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net
>>                 <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a
>>                 limited response, only
>>                 > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>                 > >>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC
>>                 list?  Possibly the poll
>>                 > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are
>>                 subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>                 > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says
>>                 "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>                 > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>                 > >>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>                 > >>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of
>>                 engagement in these
>>                 > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil
>>                 society coordination, and I know
>>                 > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing
>>                 motivation. The conversations have
>>                 > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in
>>                 changing the current situation
>>                 > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a
>>                 coordination network), and
>>                 > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen
>>                 global civil society coordination
>>                 > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the
>>                 survey which gathered a
>>                 > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful.
>>                 I attached a summary report of
>>                 > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last
>>                 IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>                 > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this
>>                 year. Before we do that however, it
>>                 > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to
>>                 the survey and agree a way
>>                 > >>>>>>> forward.
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a
>>                 suggested agenda. It would be
>>                 > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March
>>                 so I can confirm the date and
>>                 > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>                 > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>                 > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>                 > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy
>>                 and contributions so far!
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar
>>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed
>>                 the survey. I have
>>                 > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text
>>                 document, with a summary included
>>                 > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split
>>                 call, with the first half
>>                 > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and
>>                 suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>                 > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed
>>                 necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>                 > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that
>>                 as a separate call too.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey
>>                 have been to find a way
>>                 > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society
>>                 coordination, and thus to change
>>                 > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that
>>                 they help in finding a way
>>                 > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing,
>>                 responds to the widest possible
>>                 > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any
>>                 other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>                 > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send
>>                 around a doodle for a follow up
>>                 > >>>>>>>> call.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar
>>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of
>>                 responses but it would be great
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future
>>                 of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that
>>                 would be much appreciated.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for
>>                 another call to decide next
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the
>>                 survey so thank you to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do
>>                 lend your views if you can,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey
>>                 responses will feed into the next set
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal
>>                 Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this
>>                 thread, please see a
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on
>>                 the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of
>>                 Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be
>>                 circulated to gather views of all members.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background
>>                 information note which
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions
>>                 so far, and links to the summaries of
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing
>>                 list, you are invited to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future
>>                 discussions in a timely way, please
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*.
>>                 Should you have any
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get
>>                 in touch.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal
>>                 Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in
>>                 the call yesterday. For
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call,
>>                 you'll find the list of participants
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the
>>                 possible ways forward for
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous
>>                 conversation in December and the
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general
>>                 agreement that both Bestbits and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in
>>                 fulfilling their objectives,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to
>>                 coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather
>>                 perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It
>>                 was suggested that this survey with
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a
>>                 decision on the future of the
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be
>>                 circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be
>>                 greatly appreciated.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal
>>                 Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that
>>                 the call on next steps is
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from*
>>                 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous
>>                 email and I've updated the
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal
>>                 Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the
>>                 doodle! It seems the best time
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on
>>                 February 11*. The full
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how
>>                 to join, are below.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up
>>                 the room. Looking forward
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as
>>                 possible on the 11th!
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC
>>                 <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
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>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the
>>                 Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a
>>                 merger + other options
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>                 challenges and issues faced in
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger
>>                 of lists/establishment
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo -
>>                 using lists as information sharing
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>                 steps/agreement on process for decision
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those
>>                 who indicated they were available for
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as
>>                 a Bestbits member you can join the
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the
>>                 pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13,
>>                 Sheetal Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the
>>                 engagement on this topic, and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared
>>                 their perspectives and the relevant
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we
>>                 agreed to touch base
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to
>>                 agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the
>>                 discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for
>>                 our second call to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a
>>                 suggested agenda:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>                 challenges and issues faced
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>                 merger of lists/establishment
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo,
>>                 e.g using lists as information sharing
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>                 steps/agreement on process for
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of
>>                 Bestbits
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged
>>                 the last call, we
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are
>>                 invited but that we also reach out to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some
>>                 background and inform the discussion
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the
>>                 doodle by the end of next
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a
>>                 time and send the conference room link
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10,
>>                 Deirdre Williams <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this
>>                 discussion with care, and have a
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to
>>                 fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped
>>                 sharing
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/
>>                 working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two
>>                 groups again really improve participation?
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look
>>                 at what needs to be done,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to
>>                 do it?
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same
>>                 as the people who started
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same
>>                 objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions
>>                 it seems unlikely that
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please
>>                 consider IRPC (which many
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is
>>                 currently having some difficulty with
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry
>>                 out management tasks for the group.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means
>>                 to discuss issues and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this
>>                 the right way to do that now or do we need
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09,
>>                 Jeremy Malcolm <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au
>>                 <mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar
>>                 wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the
>>                 first Steering Committee
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more
>>                 information about how it was
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had
>>                 become toxic and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had
>>                 been a while since it had
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At
>>                 the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to
>>                 collaborate on joint action
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between
>>                 people both inside and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the
>>                 first volunteer steering
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society
>>                 politics that had driven
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt
>>                 Best Bits too. There were
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about
>>                 various participants having
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough
>>                 about their own funding.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been
>>                 fairly lightweight and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of
>>                 accountability resulted in
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more
>>                 elaborate set of rules
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too
>>                 heavy and people weren't
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes,
>>                 indicating that the more
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing
>>                 people who could
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections,
>>                 I'd be all for that. But I
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given
>>                 as much time to it as
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my
>>                 energy on my new nonprofit
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy
>>                 advocate, geek
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr
>>                 '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 ____________________________________________________________
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a
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>>                 settings, visit:
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>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty
>>                 is not money but
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur
>>                 Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>                 DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>>                 E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>                 > >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>>                 E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>                 > >>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 ____________________________________________________________
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>>                 > >>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>                 > >>>>>> Please send all replies to
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>>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>                 > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>                 > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>                 <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>> --
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>>
>>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>                 > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>                 > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>                 <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>>                 > >>>
>>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >
>>                 > > --
>>                 > >
>>                 > >
>>                 > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>                 > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
>>                 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>                 > > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                 > >
>>                 > >
>>                 >
>>                 > --
>>                 >
>>                 >
>>                 > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>                 > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
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>>
>>                 >
>>                 ____________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>             -- 
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>             *Sheetal Kumar*
>>
>>             Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>
>>             Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>
>>             T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>             PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
>>             173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>>
>>         -- 
>>
>>          
>>
>>          
>>
>>         *Sheetal Kumar*
>>
>>         Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>
>>         Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>
>>         T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>         PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>         E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     *
>>     *
>>     *
>>     *
>>     *Sheetal Kumar*
>>     Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>     Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>     T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>     PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>     0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> *
>> *
>> *
>> *
>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
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From sheetal at gp-digital.org  Thu May  2 12:26:19 2019
From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 17:26:19 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] An explainer: UN 1st Committee Processes on Responsible
 State Behaviour in Cyberspace
Message-ID: <CAK78muRsw+3K0-9XN2xVuzcVTfeSv-7f7P0nLsZOSfkC5qoOdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

In case of interest, I'm sharing here an explainer that Deborah Brown (APC)
and I have written on the UN First Committee's two processes on responsible
state behaviour in cyberspace.

https://www.gp-digital.org/un-first-committee-processes-on-responsible-state-behaviour-in-cyberspace-a-briefing/

The aim of the brief is to explain the relevance of the Group of Government
Experts and the Open Ended Working Group to cybersecurity and human rights,
clarify the current state of play and suggest some opportunities to engage
in the processes.

We hope you find it useful, please feel free to share with your networks.
Should you have any questions, don't hesitate to get in touch.

Best
Sheetal
-- 


*Sheetal Kumar*
Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu May 23 06:47:17 2019
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 16:17:17 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
 Bestbits: next steps
In-Reply-To: <df7ad788-9ca3-fec9-c091-0ff05609b7b7@apc.org>
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Message-ID: <b4bca192-d670-d0ec-7488-7af7d74a2550@itforchange.net>

Oh thanks Sheetal

Yes you are right, Just Net Coalition even is now 2.00 to 4.15 on June
.. parminder

On 23/05/19 4:07 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>
> Dear Sheetal
>
> You are right. I just checked. I was misled by this gif in Twitter but
> I checked Parminder's email, and you are correct. The event is in the
> afternoon.
>
> Apologies.
>
> Anriette
>
>
> : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6rajorVUAAN1Wq.png:large
>
> -----------------------------
> Anriette Esterhuysen
> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
> Association for Progressive Communications
> apc.org
> afrisig.org
> anriette at apc.org
> On 2019/05/23 12:27, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>> Dear Anriette, all,
>>
>> I thought the JustNet Coalition event was scheduled from 2:00-4:15 pm
>> on June 11. Is this correct or is there also another event before?
>>
>> Best
>> Sheetal
>>
>> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 11:19, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org
>> <mailto:anriette at apc.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Dear Sheetal
>>
>>     Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and
>>     time clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not
>>     be avoided?
>>
>>     Thanks
>>
>>     Anriette
>>
>>     -----------------------------
>>     Anriette Esterhuysen
>>     Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
>>     Association for Progressive Communications
>>     apc.org <http://apc.org>
>>     afrisig.org <http://afrisig.org>
>>     anriette at apc.org <mailto:anriette at apc.org>
>>
>>     On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>     Dear all,
>>>
>>>     Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to
>>>     plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details
>>>     below:
>>>
>>>       * Room Dougga
>>>       * June 11, _9am-12:30pm _
>>>       * Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>>>
>>>     If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to
>>>     be part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to
>>>     meet before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who
>>>     expressed interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
>>>
>>>     Hope to see many of you soon!
>>>
>>>     Best
>>>     Sheetal.
>>>     -- 
>>>
>>>     On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>>     <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Dear all, 
>>>
>>>         Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
>>>         off-thread expressing interest in the effort. 
>>>
>>>         @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space
>>>         at the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful
>>>         if not! Will you be at RightsCon?
>>>
>>>         On the way forward:
>>>
>>>           * Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would
>>>             like to attend that first meeting as there is limited
>>>             space but of course we'd like to accommodate everyone
>>>             who can attend
>>>           * If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then
>>>             please do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping
>>>             everyone updated and you can input into the meeting
>>>             agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have good wifi)
>>>
>>>         Best
>>>         Sheetal.
>>>
>>>         On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov
>>>         <ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Dear all,
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could
>>>             inquire if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it
>>>             takes place.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Please let me know.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Bach Avezdjanov
>>>
>>>             Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>
>>>             Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>>>
>>>             Phone: 212 854 1591
>>>
>>>             Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>>
>>>             Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>             <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>>>
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>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>             [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] *On Behalf
>>>             Of *Lee W McKnight
>>>             *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>>             *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy;
>>>             Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>             <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>>             governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>             <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance;
>>>             Sheetal Kumar
>>>             *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from
>>>             survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Hi,
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
>>>             Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights
>>>             and the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to
>>>             discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on
>>>             Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to
>>>             the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet
>>>             Rights and Principles among other positive outcomes. 
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward
>>>             out of this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to
>>>             help energize also the cross-CS coordination right? 
>>>
>>>             Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset
>>>             and methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal
>>>             faculty meeting feel (at times to this prof).
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>             *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>             <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf
>>>             of Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>             <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>             *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>>             *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
>>>             muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo;
>>>             bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>             <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>>             governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>             <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance
>>>             *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from
>>>             survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Dear all
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Following our discussions, and some discussions among
>>>             some of  those of us who attended the last call four
>>>             weeks ago (notes & participants here: 
>>>             https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture),
>>>             see below what some of us propose as a hopefully
>>>             straightforward plan going forward.
>>>
>>>               * IGC and Bestbits list members work together to
>>>                 organise a day 0 event at IGF
>>>               * Volunteers from both lists come together in an
>>>                 informal steering committee to organise the event -
>>>                 you don't have to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC
>>>                 necessarily and can agree how to approach the
>>>                 organisation of the event however they see fit
>>>               * Members of other lists are invited to join once an
>>>                 informal agenda has been put together
>>>               * Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in
>>>                 this effort come together to discuss preliminary
>>>                 ideas - to include the idea of focusing the day 0
>>>                 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have
>>>                 already been proposed)
>>>
>>>             Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound
>>>             like we've now decided to just organise a meeting again
>>>             I hope you will agree that the discussions had so far,
>>>             the interest and commitment to global level
>>>             coordination, would be usefully served by collectively
>>>             putting together an agenda that responds to the
>>>             interests of those committed to these efforts.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Please provide your views on this.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Best
>>>
>>>             Sheetal.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>>             <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Dear all,
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once
>>>                 I have the recording I'll send it around. In the
>>>                 meantime, you can see a short summary at the top of
>>>                 the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but
>>>                 it should provide an overview of what we discussed:
>>>                 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 In essence, we discussed the reasons that these
>>>                 discussions about civil society coordination have
>>>                 recently re-surfaced and those on the call
>>>                 reiterated the commitment to global-level
>>>                 coordination and the need to work together in a less
>>>                 fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
>>>                 discussed the fact that although about half of the
>>>                 respondents supported exploring a 'merger' with IGC,
>>>                 around half also thought expanding the mandate of
>>>                 the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the
>>>                 call mentioned that the historical standing of the
>>>                 IGC is important to leverage and there is
>>>                 complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates.
>>>                 Therefore, we shouldn't lose that in whatever we
>>>                 choose to do going forward.
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 We discussed that proposing something more concrete
>>>                 to the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a
>>>                 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the
>>>                 limited number of the people on the call, so we
>>>                 agreed to put something short together and then to
>>>                 share it with you for your feedback before sharing
>>>                 it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that
>>>                 simple proposal to share with you. I'll share it
>>>                 shortly. If anyone else on the call wants to chime
>>>                 in with more information please do.
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 Best
>>>
>>>                 Sheetal.
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen
>>>                 <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>>>                 <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust
>>>                     someone will
>>>                     report on the meeting.
>>>
>>>                     Regards,
>>>
>>>                     -- 
>>>                     Tapani Tarvainen
>>>
>>>                     On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar
>>>                     (sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:
>>>
>>>                     > Dear all,
>>>                     >
>>>                     > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be
>>>                     meeting in under an hour at 1
>>>                     > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Best
>>>                     > Sheetal.
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Meeting room details
>>>                     >
>>>                     > *Meeting URL*
>>>                     > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Meeting ID
>>>                     > 524 189 381
>>>                     > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>                     > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>                     > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>                     > (see all numbers -
>>>                     https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Connecting from a room system?
>>>                     > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152
>>>                     and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>>                     >
>>>                     > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar
>>>                     <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     >
>>>                     > > Dear all
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > As promised, please find below the details
>>>                     for meeting us on *Wednesday,
>>>                     > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the
>>>                     agenda further below too.
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Best
>>>                     > > Sheetal.
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Meeting room details
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > *Meeting URL*
>>>                     > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Meeting ID
>>>                     > > 524 189 381
>>>                     > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>                     > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>                     > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>                     > > (see all numbers -
>>>                     https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Connecting from a room system?
>>>                     > > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or
>>>                     199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in
>>>                     the discussion around
>>>                     > > improving coordination are welcome so please
>>>                     share with anyone relevant.
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Suggested agenda
>>>                     > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this
>>>                     discussion/a recap of what's happened
>>>                     > > so far
>>>                     > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>                     > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>                     > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian
>>>                     muthusamy <
>>>                     > > 6.internet at gmail.com
>>>                     <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far
>>>                     has reached the participants of
>>>                     > >> the Governance list, especially the
>>>                     thinking that "discussion about
>>>                     > >> merging should be limited to each group". 
>>>                     If riseup.net <http://riseup.net> is working,
>>>                     > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >> Thank you.
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                     <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>                     > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>                     <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi
>>>                     Peter Taiwo <
>>>                     > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>>                     <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying
>>>                     igcaucus.org <http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
>>>                     > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently
>>>                     hosted on riseup.net <http://riseup.net>
>>>                     mailing-list.
>>>                     > >>> Please can you help me understand what you
>>>                     are trying to do so as to be
>>>                     > >>> able to help.
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     > >>> Regards.
>>>                     > >>> Peter
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM
>>>                     sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>                     > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com
>>>                     <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     > >>>>
>>>                     > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally
>>>                     decided by the Bestbits list to
>>>                     > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note
>>>                     here on a different problem. The
>>>                     > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving
>>>                     messages, who is managing the
>>>                     > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>>                     > >>>>
>>>                     > >>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                     <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>                     > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>                     <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>>                     > >>>>
>>>                     > >>>>
>>>                     > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi
>>>                     Peter Taiwo <
>>>                     > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>>                     <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the
>>>                     survey should be limited to
>>>                     > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion
>>>                     about merging should be limited to
>>>                     > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group
>>>                     to do a kind of an independent
>>>                     > >>>>> assessment that would inform the
>>>                     decision of whether the group should cease
>>>                     > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that
>>>                     some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>>                     > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly
>>>                     shared some contacts on the
>>>                     > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the
>>>                     privacy issue you are referring to.
>>>                     > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in
>>>                     the picture of any privacy issue that
>>>                     > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could
>>>                     throw more light on this.
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> I could also remembered during the
>>>                     review of CSCG, part of our
>>>                     > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional
>>>                     civil society organization in the
>>>                     > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the
>>>                     individual wearing many hat remains.
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> Regards.
>>>                     > >>>>> Peter
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM
>>>                     Sivasubramanian M <
>>>                     > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net
>>>                     <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see
>>>                     a limited response, only
>>>                     > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the
>>>                     IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>>                     > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who
>>>                     are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>                     > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message
>>>                     says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>                     > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the
>>>                     level of engagement in these
>>>                     > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening
>>>                     civil society coordination, and I know
>>>                     > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not
>>>                     losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>                     > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in
>>>                     changing the current situation
>>>                     > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a
>>>                     coordination network), and
>>>                     > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to
>>>                     strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>                     > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far,
>>>                     and the survey which gathered a
>>>                     > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been
>>>                     helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>                     > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the
>>>                     last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>                     > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this
>>>                     year. Before we do that however, it
>>>                     > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses
>>>                     to the survey and agree a way
>>>                     > >>>>>>> forward.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a
>>>                     suggested agenda. It would be
>>>                     > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29
>>>                     March so I can confirm the date and
>>>                     > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>                     > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>                     > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>                     > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your
>>>                     energy and contributions so far!
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal
>>>                     Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who
>>>                     completed the survey. I have
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a
>>>                     text document, with a summary included
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a
>>>                     split call, with the first half
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and
>>>                     suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed
>>>                     necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange
>>>                     that as a separate call too.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the
>>>                     survey have been to find a way
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society
>>>                     coordination, and thus to change
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope
>>>                     that they help in finding a way
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so
>>>                     doing, responds to the widest possible
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any
>>>                     other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll
>>>                     send around a doodle for a follow up
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> call.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal
>>>                     Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of
>>>                     responses but it would be great
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the
>>>                     future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday
>>>                     that would be much appreciated.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle
>>>                     for another call to decide next
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58,
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to
>>>                     the survey so thank you to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please
>>>                     do lend your views if you can,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey
>>>                     responses will feed into the next set
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of
>>>                     Bestbits.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37,
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on
>>>                     this thread, please see a
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views
>>>                     on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members
>>>                     of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be
>>>                     circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a
>>>                     background information note which
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the
>>>                     discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits
>>>                     mailing list, you are invited to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform
>>>                     future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*.
>>>                     Should you have any
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate
>>>                     to get in touch.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08,
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who
>>>                     participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the
>>>                     call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about
>>>                     the possible ways forward for
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the
>>>                     previous conversation in December and the
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general
>>>                     agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges
>>>                     in fulfilling their objectives,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to
>>>                     coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather
>>>                     perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call.
>>>                     It was suggested that this survey with
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into
>>>                     a decision on the future of the
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be
>>>                     circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be
>>>                     greatly appreciated.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47,
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder
>>>                     that the call on next steps is
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February
>>>                     from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my
>>>                     previous email and I've updated the
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>>>                     <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to
>>>                     you then!
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07,
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the
>>>                     doodle! It seems the best time
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on
>>>                     February 11*. The full
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including
>>>                     how to join, are below.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting
>>>                     up the room. Looking forward
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you
>>>                     as possible on the 11th!
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC
>>>                     <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary,
>>>                     San Jose))
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers -
>>>                     http://bluejeans.com/numbers
>>>                     <http://bluejeans.com/numbers>)
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call
>>>                     in, your phone number will
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room
>>>                     page. We would like to record and share the
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network
>>>                     on the mailing list. Please let us know if
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording
>>>                     to be shared on an open mailing list if you
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of
>>>                     the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a
>>>                     merger + other options
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>>                     challenges and issues faced in
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>>                     merger of lists/establishment
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status
>>>                     quo - using lists as information sharing
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>>                     steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the
>>>                     lists
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of
>>>                     those who indicated they were available for
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of
>>>                     course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in
>>>                     the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13,
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the
>>>                     engagement on this topic, and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have
>>>                     shared their perspectives and the relevant
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the
>>>                     call we agreed to touch base
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January
>>>                     to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the
>>>                     discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space
>>>                     for us.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a
>>>                     doodle for our second call to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a
>>>                     suggested agenda:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>>                     challenges and issues faced
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>>                     merger of lists/establishment
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status
>>>                     quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>                     approach
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>>                     steps/agreement on process for
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding
>>>                     future of Bestbits
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who
>>>                     arranged the last call, we
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members
>>>                     are invited but that we also reach out to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide
>>>                     some background and inform the discussion
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the
>>>                     doodle by the end of next
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can
>>>                     set a time and send the conference room link
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10,
>>>                     Deirdre Williams <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>>>                     <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this
>>>                     discussion with care, and have a
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which
>>>                     seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less
>>>                     stopped sharing
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing
>>>                     things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the
>>>                     two groups again really improve participation?
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to
>>>                     look at what needs to be done,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we
>>>                     want to do it?
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the
>>>                     same as the people who started
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same
>>>                     objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these
>>>                     questions it seems unlikely that
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration
>>>                     please consider IRPC (which many
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which
>>>                     is currently having some difficulty with
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to
>>>                     carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a
>>>                     means to discuss issues and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is
>>>                     this the right way to do that now or do we need
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09,
>>>                     Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au
>>>                     <mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal
>>>                     Kumar wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of
>>>                     the first Steering Committee
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more
>>>                     information about how it was
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse
>>>                     had become toxic and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It
>>>                     had been a while since it had
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement.
>>>                     At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to
>>>                     collaborate on joint action
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations
>>>                     between people both inside and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming
>>>                     the first volunteer steering
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil
>>>                     society politics that had driven
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to
>>>                     disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about
>>>                     various participants having
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent
>>>                     enough about their own funding.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been
>>>                     fairly lightweight and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms
>>>                     of accountability resulted in
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a
>>>                     more elaborate set of rules
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was
>>>                     too heavy and people weren't
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new
>>>                     processes, indicating that the more
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been
>>>                     better.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of
>>>                     willing people who could
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal
>>>                     elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have
>>>                     given as much time to it as
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing
>>>                     my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB
>>>                     (Hons) B Com
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy
>>>                     advocate, geek
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo
>>>                     "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     ____________________________________________________________
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as
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>>>                     <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>.
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>>>                     http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for
>>>                     poverty is not money but
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur
>>>                     Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL
>>>                     PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M:
>>>                     +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  |
>>>                     PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1
>>>                     CF31|
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL
>>>                     PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>                     DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>                     DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>                     DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>                     DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>                     > >>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     ____________________________________________________________
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>>>                     http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                     > >>>>>> Please send all replies to
>>>                     6.Internet at gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>> ---
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>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>                     > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>>                     > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>>                     <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     > >>> --
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>                     > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>>                     > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>>                     <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > --
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>>>                     E1 5JL
>>>                     > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint:
>>>                     F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>>                     > > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > >
>>>                     >
>>>                     > --
>>>                     >
>>>                     >
>>>                     > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint:
>>>                     F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F
>>>                     > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>                     >
>>>                     ____________________________________________________________
>>>                     > You received this message as a subscriber on
>>>                     the list:
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>>>
>>>
>>>                 -- 
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>
>>>                 Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>
>>>                 Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>
>>>                 T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
>>>                 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             -- 
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>
>>>             Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>
>>>             Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>
>>>             T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>             PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
>>>             173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>         *
>>>         *
>>>         *
>>>         *
>>>         *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>         Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>         Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>         T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>         PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>         E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     *
>>>     *
>>>     *
>>>     *
>>>     *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>     Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>     Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>     T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>     PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>     0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>
>>>     ____________________________________________________________
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>>
>> -- 
>> *
>> *
>> *
>> *
>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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From: roberta.lentz at mcgill.ca (Becky Lentz)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 11:12:11 +0000
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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Hi Parminder,

Is there a way to participate remotely in this important event?

Very best,
Becky
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From: <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf of parminder <parminder at itforchange.net<mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>
Reply-To: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net<mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>
Date: Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 6:45 AM
To: <governance at lists.riseup.net<mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>>, bestbits <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>>
Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps


Dear Anriette

Thanks for this.

Fortunately, we changed the timing to after lunch (200 - 415 PM), and so people should be able to attend both...

The timing and venue now is as follows


Just Net Colaition invites you to our workshop
What do social movements need to do in the age of data? Towards a digital justice manifesto

Venue: Hôtel LAICO Tunis (RightsCon Venue), CARTHAGE 2
Date: June 11, 2:00-4:15 pm


Best regards

parminder

On 23/05/19 3:48 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:

Dear Sheetal

Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and time clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not be avoided?

Thanks

Anriette

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Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
Association for Progressive Communications
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On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
Dear all,

Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:

  *   Room Dougga
  *   June 11, 9am-12:30pm
  *   Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia

If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.

Hope to see many of you soon!

Best
Sheetal.
--

On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
Dear all,

Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies off-thread expressing interest in the effort.

@Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you be at RightsCon?

On the way forward:

  *   Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd like to accommodate everyone who can attend
  *   If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and you can input into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have good wifi)

Best
Sheetal.

On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov <ba2482 at columbia.edu<mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>> wrote:
Dear all,

Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place.

Please let me know.


Bach Avezdjanov
Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu<mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>
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From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] On Behalf Of Lee W McKnight
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
To: Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt; governance at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance; Sheetal Kumar
Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps


Hi,



Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.



For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles among other positive outcomes.



So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the cross-CS coordination right?

Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at times to this prof).



________________________________
From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
To: Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt; governance at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance
Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps

Dear all

Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of  those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants here:  https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going forward.

  *   IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a day 0 event at IGF
  *   Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal steering committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation of the event however they see fit
  *   Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal agenda has been put together
  *   Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already been proposed)
Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.

Please provide your views on this.

Best
Sheetal.

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
Dear all,

Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture

In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about civil society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.

We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put something short together and then to share it with you for your feedback before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple proposal to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants to chime in with more information please do.

If you have any questions, please do let us know!

Best
Sheetal.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org<mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
report on the meeting.

Regards,

--
Tapani Tarvainen

On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at 1
> PM UTC (see the link below).
>
> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
> Meeting room details
>
> *Meeting URL*
> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>
> Meeting ID
> 524 189 381
> Want to dial in from a phone?
>
> Dial one of the following numbers:
> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>
> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>
> Connecting from a room system?
> Dial: bjn.vc<http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>
> > Dear all
> >
> > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on *Wednesday,
> > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
> >
> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >
> > Best
> > Sheetal.
> >
> > Meeting room details
> >
> > *Meeting URL*
> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
> >
> > Meeting ID
> > 524 189 381
> > Want to dial in from a phone?
> >
> > Dial one of the following numbers:
> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
> >
> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
> >
> > Connecting from a room system?
> > Dial: bjn.vc<http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
> >
> > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
> > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone relevant.
> >
> > Suggested agenda
> > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's happened
> > so far
> > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> > 6.internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Dear Akinremi,
> >>
> >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants of
> >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
> >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net<http://riseup.net> is working,
> >> then I do not have concerns.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> >> twitter.com/shivaindia<http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> >> compsoftnet at gmail.com<mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> >>>
> >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org<http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
> >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net<http://riseup.net> mailing-list.
> >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as to be
> >>> able to help.
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> >>> 6.internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
> >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem. The
> >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
> >>>> Governance lists please?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia<http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com<mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
> >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be limited to
> >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an independent
> >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group should cease
> >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
> >>>>> to remain as it is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the
> >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are referring to.
> >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy issue that
> >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
> >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization in the
> >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat remains.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards.
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
> >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net<mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
> >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
> >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
> >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
> >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
> >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
> >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
> >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
> >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
> >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
> >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
> >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
> >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
> >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
> >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
> >>>>>>> forward.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
> >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
> >>>>>>> set up a room.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
> >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
> >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
> >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
> >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
> >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
> >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
> >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
> >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
> >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
> >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
> >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
> >>>>>>>> call.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
> >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
> >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
> >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
> >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can,
> >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set
> >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
> >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
> >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
> >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
> >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
> >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
> >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
> >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
> >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
> >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
> >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc<http://bjn.vc> -or-199.48.152.152
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they were available for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com<mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au<mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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> > *Sheetal Kumar*
> > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
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Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|



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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri May 24 01:41:45 2019
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 11:11:45 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
 Bestbits: next steps
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Dear Becky

Thanks for your interest in this event. Unfortunately there is limited
AV support for day zero events, and we ourselves are unable to pull it off.

best regards, parminder

On 23/05/19 4:42 PM, Becky Lentz wrote:
> Hi Parminder,
>
> Is there a way to participate remotely in this important event? 
>
> Very best,
> Becky
> —
> Becky Lentz
> Associate Professor of Communication Studies
> Department of Art History/Comm Studies
> 853 Sherbrooke Street West, 3rd floor Arts Building, WEST-265
> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 0G5
> Phone 514.398.4995
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> Kanien’kehà:ka (Mohawk), a place which has long served as a site of
> meeting and exchange amongst nations./
>
>
> From: <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
> <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf of parminder
> <parminder at itforchange.net <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>
> Reply-To: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>
> Date: Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 6:45 AM
> To: <governance at lists.riseup.net
> <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>>, bestbits
> <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>>
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the
> future of Bestbits: next steps
>
> Dear Anriette
>
> Thanks for this.
>
> Fortunately, we changed the timing to after lunch (200 - 415 PM), and
> so people should be able to attend both...
>
> The timing and venue now is as follows
>
>
> Just Net Colaition invites you to our workshop
> *What do social movements need to do in the age of data? Towards a
> digital justice manifesto*
>
> Venue: Hôtel LAICO Tunis (RightsCon Venue), CARTHAGE 2
> Date: June 11, 2:00-4:15 pm
>
>
> Best regards
>
> parminder
>
> On 23/05/19 3:48 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sheetal
>>
>> Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and
>> time clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not be
>> avoided?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>> -----------------------------
>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
>> Association for Progressive Communications
>> apc.org
>> afrisig.org
>> anriette at apc.org
>> On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to
>>> plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:
>>>
>>>   * Room Dougga
>>>   * June 11, _9am-12:30pm _
>>>   * Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>>>
>>> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be
>>> part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet
>>> before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed
>>> interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
>>>
>>> Hope to see many of you soon!
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Sheetal.
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>> <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Dear all, 
>>>
>>>     Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
>>>     off-thread expressing interest in the effort. 
>>>
>>>     @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at
>>>     the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if
>>>     not! Will you be at RightsCon?
>>>
>>>     On the way forward:
>>>
>>>       * Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to
>>>         attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of
>>>         course we'd like to accommodate everyone who can attend
>>>       * If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please
>>>         do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone
>>>         updated and you can input into the meeting agenda (and maybe
>>>         even the discussions if we have good wifi)
>>>
>>>     Best
>>>     Sheetal.
>>>
>>>     On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov
>>>     <ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Dear all,
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could
>>>         inquire if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes
>>>         place.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Please let me know.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Bach Avezdjanov
>>>
>>>         Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>
>>>         Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>>>
>>>         Phone: 212 854 1591
>>>
>>>         Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>>
>>>         Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>         <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>>>
>>>         *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter!
>>>         <http://columbia.us8.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=5b024e7a0c16e2779164ac24d&id=67263d095b>*
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>         [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] *On Behalf Of
>>>         *Lee W McKnight
>>>         *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>>         *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi
>>>         Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>         <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>>         governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>         <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance; Sheetal
>>>         Kumar
>>>         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey
>>>         on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Hi,
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
>>>         Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and
>>>         the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss
>>>         overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on Internet
>>>         Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation
>>>         and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and
>>>         Principles among other positive outcomes. 
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out
>>>         of this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help
>>>         energize also the cross-CS coordination right? 
>>>
>>>         Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and
>>>         methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty
>>>         meeting feel (at times to this prof).
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>         *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>         <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf of
>>>         Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>         <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>         *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>>         *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
>>>         muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>         <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>>         governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>         <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance
>>>         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey
>>>         on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Dear all
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Following our discussions, and some discussions among some
>>>         of  those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago
>>>         (notes & participants here: 
>>>         https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see
>>>         below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward
>>>         plan going forward.
>>>
>>>           * IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise
>>>             a day 0 event at IGF
>>>           * Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal
>>>             steering committee to organise the event - you don't
>>>             have to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can
>>>             agree how to approach the organisation of the event
>>>             however they see fit
>>>           * Members of other lists are invited to join once an
>>>             informal agenda has been put together
>>>           * Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in
>>>             this effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas -
>>>             to include the idea of focusing the day 0 event on
>>>             reviving IGC (and many others that have already been
>>>             proposed)
>>>
>>>         Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like
>>>         we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope
>>>         you will agree that the discussions had so far, the interest
>>>         and commitment to global level coordination, would be
>>>         usefully served by collectively putting together an agenda
>>>         that responds to the interests of those committed to these
>>>         efforts.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Please provide your views on this.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Best
>>>
>>>         Sheetal.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>>         <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Dear all,
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I
>>>             have the recording I'll send it around. In the meantime,
>>>             you can see a short summary at the top of the etherpad.
>>>             Apologies for its staccato nature but it should provide
>>>             an overview of what we discussed:
>>>             https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>             <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             In essence, we discussed the reasons that these
>>>             discussions about civil society coordination have
>>>             recently re-surfaced and those on the call reiterated
>>>             the commitment to global-level coordination and the need
>>>             to work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at
>>>             the survey results and discussed the fact that although
>>>             about half of the respondents supported exploring a
>>>             'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding
>>>             the mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However,
>>>             those on the call mentioned that the historical standing
>>>             of the IGC is important to leverage and there is
>>>             complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates.
>>>             Therefore, we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose
>>>             to do going forward.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             We discussed that proposing something more concrete to
>>>             the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger'
>>>             could work. We were cognizant of the limited number of
>>>             the people on the call, so we agreed to put something
>>>             short together and then to share it with you for your
>>>             feedback before sharing it with IGC. At the moment,
>>>             we're working on that simple proposal to share with you.
>>>             I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants
>>>             to chime in with more information please do.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Best
>>>
>>>             Sheetal.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen
>>>             <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>>>             <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust
>>>                 someone will
>>>                 report on the meeting.
>>>
>>>                 Regards,
>>>
>>>                 -- 
>>>                 Tapani Tarvainen
>>>
>>>                 On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar
>>>                 (sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:
>>>
>>>                 > Dear all,
>>>                 >
>>>                 > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be
>>>                 meeting in under an hour at 1
>>>                 > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Best
>>>                 > Sheetal.
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Meeting room details
>>>                 >
>>>                 > *Meeting URL*
>>>                 > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Meeting ID
>>>                 > 524 189 381
>>>                 > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>                 > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>                 > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>                 > (see all numbers -
>>>                 https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Connecting from a room system?
>>>                 > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and
>>>                 enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>>                 >
>>>                 > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar
>>>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 >
>>>                 > > Dear all
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > As promised, please find below the details for
>>>                 meeting us on *Wednesday,
>>>                 > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda
>>>                 further below too.
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Best
>>>                 > > Sheetal.
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Meeting room details
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > *Meeting URL*
>>>                 > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Meeting ID
>>>                 > > 524 189 381
>>>                 > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>                 > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>                 > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>                 > > (see all numbers -
>>>                 https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Connecting from a room system?
>>>                 > > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152
>>>                 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the
>>>                 discussion around
>>>                 > > improving coordination are welcome so please
>>>                 share with anyone relevant.
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > Suggested agenda
>>>                 > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this
>>>                 discussion/a recap of what's happened
>>>                 > > so far
>>>                 > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>                 > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>                 > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian
>>>                 muthusamy <
>>>                 > > 6.internet at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has
>>>                 reached the participants of
>>>                 > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking
>>>                 that "discussion about
>>>                 > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If
>>>                 riseup.net <http://riseup.net> is working,
>>>                 > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >> Thank you.
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                 <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>                 > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>                 <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter
>>>                 Taiwo <
>>>                 > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying
>>>                 igcaucus.org <http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
>>>                 > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on
>>>                 riseup.net <http://riseup.net> mailing-list.
>>>                 > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are
>>>                 trying to do so as to be
>>>                 > >>> able to help.
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 > >>> Regards.
>>>                 > >>> Peter
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian
>>>                 muthusamy <
>>>                 > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 > >>>>
>>>                 > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided
>>>                 by the Bestbits list to
>>>                 > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here
>>>                 on a different problem. The
>>>                 > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving
>>>                 messages, who is managing the
>>>                 > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>>                 > >>>>
>>>                 > >>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                 <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>                 > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>                 <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>>                 > >>>>
>>>                 > >>>>
>>>                 > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter
>>>                 Taiwo <
>>>                 > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey
>>>                 should be limited to
>>>                 > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about
>>>                 merging should be limited to
>>>                 > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to
>>>                 do a kind of an independent
>>>                 > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of
>>>                 whether the group should cease
>>>                 > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some
>>>                 folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>>                 > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly
>>>                 shared some contacts on the
>>>                 > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the
>>>                 privacy issue you are referring to.
>>>                 > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the
>>>                 picture of any privacy issue that
>>>                 > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw
>>>                 more light on this.
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of
>>>                 CSCG, part of our
>>>                 > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil
>>>                 society organization in the
>>>                 > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the
>>>                 individual wearing many hat remains.
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> Regards.
>>>                 > >>>>> Peter
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM
>>>                 Sivasubramanian M <
>>>                 > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net
>>>                 <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a
>>>                 limited response, only
>>>                 > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC
>>>                 list?  Possibly the poll
>>>                 > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are
>>>                 subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>                 > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says
>>>                 "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>                 > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of
>>>                 engagement in these
>>>                 > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil
>>>                 society coordination, and I know
>>>                 > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing
>>>                 motivation. The conversations have
>>>                 > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in
>>>                 changing the current situation
>>>                 > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a
>>>                 coordination network), and
>>>                 > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen
>>>                 global civil society coordination
>>>                 > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and
>>>                 the survey which gathered a
>>>                 > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful.
>>>                 I attached a summary report of
>>>                 > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last
>>>                 IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>                 > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this
>>>                 year. Before we do that however, it
>>>                 > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to
>>>                 the survey and agree a way
>>>                 > >>>>>>> forward.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a
>>>                 suggested agenda. It would be
>>>                 > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March
>>>                 so I can confirm the date and
>>>                 > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>                 > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>                 > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>                 > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy
>>>                 and contributions so far!
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who
>>>                 completed the survey. I have
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text
>>>                 document, with a summary included
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split
>>>                 call, with the first half
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and
>>>                 suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed
>>>                 necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that
>>>                 as a separate call too.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the
>>>                 survey have been to find a way
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society
>>>                 coordination, and thus to change
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that
>>>                 they help in finding a way
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing,
>>>                 responds to the widest possible
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any
>>>                 other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send
>>>                 around a doodle for a follow up
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> call.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of
>>>                 responses but it would be great
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the
>>>                 future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that
>>>                 would be much appreciated.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ <http://bestbits.net/>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for
>>>                 another call to decide next
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the
>>>                 survey so thank you to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do
>>>                 lend your views if you can,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey
>>>                 responses will feed into the next set
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ <http://bestbits.net/>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on
>>>                 this thread, please see a
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on
>>>                 the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of
>>>                 Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be
>>>                 circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background
>>>                 information note which
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions
>>>                 so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing
>>>                 list, you are invited to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future
>>>                 discussions in a timely way, please
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*.
>>>                 Should you have any
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to
>>>                 get in touch.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated
>>>                 in the call yesterday. For
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call,
>>>                 you'll find the list of participants
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the
>>>                 possible ways forward for
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous
>>>                 conversation in December and the
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general
>>>                 agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in
>>>                 fulfilling their objectives,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to
>>>                 coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather
>>>                 perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It
>>>                 was suggested that this survey with
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a
>>>                 decision on the future of the
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be
>>>                 circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be
>>>                 greatly appreciated.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that
>>>                 the call on next steps is
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February
>>>                 from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous
>>>                 email and I've updated the
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07,
>>>                 Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the
>>>                 doodle! It seems the best time
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on
>>>                 February 11*. The full
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how
>>>                 to join, are below.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up
>>>                 the room. Looking forward
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as
>>>                 possible on the 11th!
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC
>>>                 <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc
>>>                 <http://bjn.vc> -or-199.48.152.152
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San
>>>                 Jose))
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers -
>>>                 http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in,
>>>                 your phone number will
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page.
>>>                 We would like to record and share the
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on
>>>                 the mailing list. Please let us know if
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be
>>>                 shared on an open mailing list if you
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the
>>>                 Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a
>>>                 merger + other options
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>>                 challenges and issues faced in
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>>                 merger of lists/establishment
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo -
>>>                 using lists as information sharing
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>>                 steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those
>>>                 who indicated they were available for
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course,
>>>                 as a Bestbits member you can join the
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the
>>>                 pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13,
>>>                 Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the
>>>                 engagement on this topic, and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared
>>>                 their perspectives and the relevant
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call
>>>                 we agreed to touch base
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to
>>>                 agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the
>>>                 discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle
>>>                 for our second call to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a
>>>                 suggested agenda:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>>                 challenges and issues faced
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>>                 merger of lists/establishment
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo,
>>>                 e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>                 approach
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>>                 steps/agreement on process for
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future
>>>                 of Bestbits
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who
>>>                 arranged the last call, we
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are
>>>                 invited but that we also reach out to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide
>>>                 some background and inform the discussion
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the
>>>                 doodle by the end of next
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a
>>>                 time and send the conference room link
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10,
>>>                 Deirdre Williams <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this
>>>                 discussion with care, and have a
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to
>>>                 fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped
>>>                 sharing
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/
>>>                 working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two
>>>                 groups again really improve participation?
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look
>>>                 at what needs to be done,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want
>>>                 to do it?
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same
>>>                 as the people who started
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same
>>>                 objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these
>>>                 questions it seems unlikely that
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please
>>>                 consider IRPC (which many
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is
>>>                 currently having some difficulty with
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry
>>>                 out management tasks for the group.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means
>>>                 to discuss issues and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this
>>>                 the right way to do that now or do we need
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09,
>>>                 Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au
>>>                 <mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal
>>>                 Kumar wrote:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the
>>>                 first Steering Committee
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more
>>>                 information about how it was
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had
>>>                 become toxic and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had
>>>                 been a while since it had
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At
>>>                 the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to
>>>                 collaborate on joint action
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between
>>>                 people both inside and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the
>>>                 first volunteer steering
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society
>>>                 politics that had driven
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt
>>>                 Best Bits too. There were
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about
>>>                 various participants having
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough
>>>                 about their own funding.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been
>>>                 fairly lightweight and
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of
>>>                 accountability resulted in
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more
>>>                 elaborate set of rules
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too
>>>                 heavy and people weren't
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes,
>>>                 indicating that the more
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing
>>>                 people who could
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections,
>>>                 I'd be all for that. But I
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have
>>>                 given as much time to it as
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my
>>>                 energy on my new nonprofit
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy
>>>                 advocate, geek
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr
>>>                 '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 ____________________________________________________________
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a
>>>                 subscriber on the list:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>                 <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>.
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your
>>>                 settings, visit:
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     
>>>                 http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty
>>>                 is not money but
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur
>>>                 Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>                 DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>                 DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>                 > >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>>>                 E1 5JL
>>>                 > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>                 > >>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>>                 ____________________________________________________________
>>>                 > >>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber
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>>>                 > >>>>>>>     
>>>                 http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                 > >>>>>> Please send all replies to
>>>                 6.Internet at gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>> ---
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>>>                 > >>>>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>>>                 > >>>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>> --
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>                 > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>>                 > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>>                 <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>                 > >>>>>
>>>                 > >>>>
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 > >>> --
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>                 > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>>                 > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>>                 <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>                 > >>>
>>>                 > >>
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > --
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint:
>>>                 F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>>                 > > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                 > >
>>>                 > >
>>>                 >
>>>                 > --
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                 > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                 > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                 > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>                 > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
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>>>
>>>                 >
>>>                 ____________________________________________________________
>>>                 > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             -- 
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>
>>>             Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>
>>>             Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>
>>>             T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>             PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>
>>>         Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>
>>>         Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>
>>>         T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     *
>>>     *
>>>     *
>>>     *
>>>     *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>     Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>     Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>     T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>     PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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From: JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Jean_F=2E_Qu=C3=A9ralt?=)
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Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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Hi, Sheetal.

Unfortunately I'll have to attend a workshop I helped facilitate right on
that time. Long story.
I may be able to join at the start and right at the end, maybe.

Happy to arrange meeting on the 10th to discuss on the BB meeting.

Best,
Jean

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 5:24 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to plan the
> IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:
>
>    - Room Dougga
>    - June 11, *9am-12:30pm *
>    - Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>
> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be part of
> the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet before/after the
> event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed interest in this effort
> so I can add you to that too.
>
> Hope to see many of you soon!
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
> --
>
> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies off-thread
>> expressing interest in the effort.
>>
>> @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at the
>> RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you be
>> at RightsCon?
>>
>> On the way forward:
>>
>>    - Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to attend
>>    that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd like to
>>    accommodate everyone who can attend
>>    - If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please do get
>>    in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and you can input
>>    into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have good
>>    wifi)
>>
>> Best
>> Sheetal.
>>
>> On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov <ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire if we
>>> could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bach Avezdjanov
>>>
>>> Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>
>>> Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu
>>>
>>> Phone: 212 854 1591
>>>
>>> Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Lee W McKnight
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter
>>> Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt; governance at lists.igcaucus.org;
>>> governance; Sheetal Kumar
>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the
>>> future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in Hyderabad where
>>> the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on Internet Principles
>>> had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition
>>> on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation and
>>> translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles among other
>>> positive outcomes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of this; ie
>>> among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the cross-CS
>>> coordination right?
>>>
>>> Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and methods
>>> embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at times to
>>> this prof).
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net <
>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar <
>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian muthusamy;
>>> Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt;
>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance
>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the
>>> future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of  those of
>>> us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants here:
>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see below what
>>> some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going forward.
>>>
>>>    - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a day 0
>>>    event at IGF
>>>    - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal steering
>>>    committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as
>>>    'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation
>>>    of the event however they see fit
>>>    - Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal agenda
>>>    has been put together
>>>    - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this effort
>>>    come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of
>>>    focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already
>>>    been proposed)
>>>
>>> Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've now
>>> decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the
>>> discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level
>>> coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an
>>> agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please provide your views on this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Sheetal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the
>>> recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary
>>> at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should
>>> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about civil
>>> society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call
>>> reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work
>>> together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
>>> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported
>>> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the
>>> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call
>>> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage
>>> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore,
>>> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC would be
>>> helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the
>>> limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put something
>>> short together and then to share it with you for your feedback before
>>> sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple proposal
>>> to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants
>>> to chime in with more information please do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Sheetal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <
>>> tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
>>> report on the meeting.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>>
>>> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dear all,
>>> >
>>> > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour
>>> at 1
>>> > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>> >
>>> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>> >
>>> > Best
>>> > Sheetal.
>>> >
>>> > Meeting room details
>>> >
>>> > *Meeting URL*
>>> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>> >
>>> > Meeting ID
>>> > 524 189 381
>>> > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>> >
>>> > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>> >
>>> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>> >
>>> > Connecting from a room system?
>>> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Dear all
>>> > >
>>> > > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on
>>> *Wednesday,
>>> > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
>>> > >
>>> > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>> > >
>>> > > Best
>>> > > Sheetal.
>>> > >
>>> > > Meeting room details
>>> > >
>>> > > *Meeting URL*
>>> > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>> > >
>>> > > Meeting ID
>>> > > 524 189 381
>>> > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>> > >
>>> > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>> > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>> > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>> > > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>> > >
>>> > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>> > >
>>> > > Connecting from a room system?
>>> > > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>> > >
>>> > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
>>> > > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone
>>> relevant.
>>> > >
>>> > > Suggested agenda
>>> > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's
>>> happened
>>> > > so far
>>> > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>> > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>> > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>> > > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the
>>> participants of
>>> > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
>>> > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is
>>> working,
>>> > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thank you.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Sivasubramanian M <
>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>> > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>> > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox
>>> is not
>>> > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net
>>> mailing-list.
>>> > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as
>>> to be
>>> > >>> able to help.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Regards.
>>> > >>> Peter
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>> > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list
>>> to
>>> > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different
>>> problem. The
>>> > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing
>>> the
>>> > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Sivasubramanian M <
>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>> > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>> > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
>>> > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be
>>> limited to
>>> > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an
>>> independent
>>> > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group
>>> should cease
>>> > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC
>>> group wants IGC
>>> > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on
>>> the
>>> > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are
>>> referring to.
>>> > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy
>>> issue that
>>> > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
>>> > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society
>>> organization in the
>>> > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many
>>> hat remains.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Regards.
>>> > >>>>> Peter
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>>> > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
>>> > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the
>>> poll
>>> > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to
>>> the IGC list.
>>> > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits"
>>> rather than
>>> > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>> > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination,
>>> and I know
>>> > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The
>>> conversations have
>>> > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current
>>> situation
>>> > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>> > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society
>>> coordination
>>> > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which
>>> gathered a
>>> > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a
>>> summary report of
>>> > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there
>>> was discussion
>>> > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that
>>> however, it
>>> > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree
>>> a way
>>> > >>>>>>> forward.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It
>>> would be
>>> > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm
>>> the date and
>>> > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>> > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>> > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>> > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions
>>> so far!
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>>> > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a
>>> summary included
>>> > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first
>>> half
>>> > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45
>>> minutes-1
>>> > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC
>>> founders and other
>>> > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call
>>> too.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find
>>> a way
>>> > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to
>>> change
>>> > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in
>>> finding a way
>>> > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the
>>> widest possible
>>> > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on
>>> how to proceed,
>>> > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for
>>> a follow up
>>> > >>>>>>>> call.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be
>>> great
>>> > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If
>>> you could fill
>>> > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much
>>> appreciated.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to
>>> decide next
>>> > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if
>>> you can,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed
>>> into the next set
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see
>>> a
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of
>>> Bestbits. Following a
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as
>>> members of IGC, it
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather
>>> views of all members.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note
>>> which
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to
>>> the summaries of
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited
>>> to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a
>>> timely way, please
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call
>>> yesterday. For
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list
>>> of participants
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward
>>> for
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in
>>> December and the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both
>>> Bestbits and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their
>>> objectives,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed
>>> to circulate a
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four
>>> suggested ways forward
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that
>>> this survey with
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the
>>> future of the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both
>>> lists shortly,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next
>>> steps is
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The
>>> full
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've
>>> updated the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <
>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best
>>> time
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking
>>> forward
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <
>>> http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to
>>> record and share the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list.
>>> Please let us know if
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open
>>> mailing list if you
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC
>>> lists,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
>>> faced in
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>>> lists/establishment
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as
>>> information sharing
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>> decision
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>> >and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they
>>> were available for
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member
>>> you can join the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just
>>> to have a vague idea
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic,
>>> and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and
>>> the relevant
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch
>>> base
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward.
>>> The discussions here
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh
>>> has kindly offered to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
>>> faced
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>>> lists/establishment
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as
>>> information sharing
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we
>>> also reach out to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and
>>> inform the discussion
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of
>>> next
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the
>>> conference room link
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and
>>> have a
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with
>>> what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together
>>> within IGC and Bestbits
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really
>>> improve participation?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be
>>> done,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who
>>> started
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions
>>> and perspectives, same
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely
>>> that
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which
>>> many
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some
>>> difficulty with
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks
>>> for the group.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues
>>> and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do
>>> that now or do we need
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering
>>> Committee
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since
>>> it had
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the
>>> 2012 ITU
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint
>>> action
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer
>>> steering
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had
>>> driven
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There
>>> were
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants
>>> having
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own
>>> funding.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability
>>> resulted in
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of
>>> rules
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people
>>> weren't
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the
>>> more
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that.
>>> But I
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it
>>> as
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new
>>> nonprofit
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget
>>> -q -i
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize
>>> Economics, 1979
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>> > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>> > >>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> ---
>>> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
>>> > >>>>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> <
>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>> > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>> > >>>>> <
>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> --
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>> >
>>> > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>> > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>> > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>> DD7F
>>> > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>> > ____________________________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>
>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>
>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>
>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>
>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>
>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>
>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sun May 26 19:49:00 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 19:49:00 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Christchurchcall collective input and next steps
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvArBpcn+=t0cjy_6h_5tBEFviFYY3BSPxFHx18FUQCXBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvArBpcn+=t0cjy_6h_5tBEFviFYY3BSPxFHx18FUQCXBw@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear all

As we discussed during our meeting on Thursday New Zealand government has
asked for input to be submitted to Chirstchurch call process by 31 May.
Your organization can send their separate statements, we also encourage you
to sign on the following statement. If you would like to add to the collective
input you can send additional comments to us and to be added as an addendum
by Tuesday 28 May.
Here is the link to the Input Google Doc.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10RadyVQUNu1H5D7x6IJVKbqmaeDeXre0Mk-FFNkIVxs/edit#heading=h.oxzb2rw9cwu1

Here is the recording of our last meeting on Thursday. I will send a brief
note about that meeting. https://bluejeans.com/s/ShBpF

We discussed how various organizations can sign up to the input, Ellen also
briefed us on her meeting with the NZ government about the next steps . We
also discussed the need to assess whether we want to participate at
Christchurchcall process considering that the pledge text will not be
changed. We can continue having regular meetings (every month) to keep
ourselves informed until September when Prime Minister Ardern intends to
discuss Christchurchcall with the UN General Assembly (this is just to
inform the general assembly about it, not to sign up to the pledge).

Best

Farzaneh
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Tue May 28 08:58:13 2019
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 18:28:13 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] Who governs AI globally
In-Reply-To: <5e0ce6a5-4b6f-81d7-48c7-7bc40945c4ab@gmail.com>
References: <5e0ce6a5-4b6f-81d7-48c7-7bc40945c4ab@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d721681c-8af3-7649-68db-74e600dd7255@itforchange.net>



OECD's digital economy committee has developed these AI governance
principles http://www.oecd.org/going-digital/ai/principles/

And now the World Economic Forum has stepped in to do global governance
of AI

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613589/the-world-economic-forum-wants-to-develop-global-rules-for-ai/?utm_campaign=the_download.unpaid.engagement&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=73093912&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9gRdOMFU_P4B7Q-HO5n-3dCwcrtYZbneXewQ5B6cKP8_2SWOESFXhaycLcYQwgtWjcbbicSXA3ZsZpMZt9KPEUNYH5Dw&_hsmi=73093912

Maybe, at least at this stage the IG civil society would want to
re-assess why they fought so bitterly against any such thing potentially
being done at a UN body.... Where at least all countries are equally
represented, and big business does not dictate terms openly. . (And had
at the same time supported the WEF based NetMundial Initiative.)

Interestingly enough, we were then told that the UN can have no role
because there are countries like China over there. Really! The WEF
initiative is headed by a USian and a Chinese... Going beyond the OECD
initiative, it is an attempt to find common ground between the two
digital biggies, and the emerging two poles of the digital world...

So, we have what many of us have been warning all this
multistakeholderism is about ...It is a way to subvert democratic
institutions and thinking and make it more acceptable to have those who
are politically and economically the strongest to dictate rules to
everyone... From democratic governance to a market of governance, where
what you can do depends on what power you bring to the table.

We see this happening right in front of our eyes..

And how bitterly did the civil society reps, and also tech community,
oppose at the UN working group on enhanced cooperation for international
public policies (and other forums), in the end, even to just have a day
or two of annual dedicated meeting at the most innocuous Commission for
Science and Technology for Development, where developing countries could
bring up their Internet/ digital governance problems , and could maybe
have just that small role in shaping global digital governance,
including AI governance...

But, no, multistakeholderism checks for your political and economic heft
not your democratic legitimacy.

Now, the developing countries can sit on the outside and wait for the
richest countries (OECD) and the biggest global businesses (WEF) to
develop global digital/ AI rules and convey it to them!

Does the Internet governance civil society plan to introspect on this
all important mis-contribution that it made? Or at least the developing
country participants here?

parminder





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From kawsu.sillah at gmail.com  Thu May  2 15:47:12 2019
From: kawsu.sillah at gmail.com (SILLAH Kawsu)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 19:47:12 +0000
Subject: [bestbits] Invitation to join the Africa Youth IGF session planning
 working group
Message-ID: <CAH6w8W6US3DBzLcOoUTB75pOrpuee-D=R_Jrv3=jUMLinG6BDA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

I am transmitting this message on behalf of my colleague Mr. Keith Andere,
Youth Representative at African Internet Governance Forum
<https://afigf.africa/>'s Multi Advisory Group
<https://afigf.africa/sites/default/files/2018/Composition%20of%20African%20IGF%20MAG%202019-2020.pdf>
(AfIGF MAG) for 2019-2020. Mr. Andere is currently working on planning the
Youth session at upcoming 8th session of African Internet Governance Forum
to be held in September 2019 in a location to be determined.

Accordingly, Mr. Andere is inviting young people active in the field of
ICT/Internet policy related discussions to join the African YouthIGF
Working Group. Interested candidates should be between the age of 18-35,
and resident in African continent. To join, register your details from this
link HERE.
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L-XdZ_A1221TrMzzkZ35vU0e1jCb0Ts7KZvmklaE5uw/edit?usp=sharing>
Also to a WhatsApp Group. Find link HERE.
<https://chat.whatsapp.com/BFHCoywlZOM1kT2KY0rfoT>

Kind regards,
Kawsu
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L-XdZ_A1221TrMzzkZ35vU0e1jCb0Ts7KZvmklaE5uw/edit?usp=sharing>

-- 
Best Regards,


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From katitza at eff.org  Thu May  2 17:33:56 2019
From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 14:33:56 -0700
Subject: [bestbits] Invitation RightsCon-Rountable discussion about
 biometrics
Message-ID: <10499d8d-7c2c-2eca-f1c1-0a37cfc08769@eff.org>

Dear friends:

My colleague Jennifer Lynch, EFF Surveillance Litigation Director,[1] is 
organizing a strategic roundtable at RightsCon to discuss biometric 
surveillance If you are working on the issue and also going to 
RightsCon, would be great if you can join this discussion. If that's the 
case, could you please let Jennifer lynch at eff.org knows directly that 
you’re interested in participating?

[1] https://www.eff.org/about/staff/jennifer-lynch 
<https://www.eff.org/about/staff/jennifer-lynch>
*
*
Thanks so much! Looking forward to seeting you at RightsCon!
*Session Title: You're Not Just a Pretty Face: Biometric Surveillance 
Has Moved Beyond Face Recognition - How Do We Stop It?*

Session Description: Every day we hear about new developments in face 
recognition in China, Israel, the US, and other countries - face 
recognition accuracy has improved exponentially; cameras are being 
deployed in more and more places; and face recognition is used for more 
and more services.

However, by focusing solely on face recognition, activists, NGOs and 
lawyers are missing the forest for the trees. Face recognition is now 
just one of the many technologies incorporated into vast surveillance 
systems and used to track people. Other technologies in these systems - 
like object recognition, license plate and text recognition, voice 
recognition, and gait recognition - combined with cheap cloud storage 
and machine learning are allowing for tracking on a never-before-seen 
scale.

This session will provide a space to discuss these topics. It will bring 
in experts to explain how technologies are working and how they are 
being deployed around the world. It will also encourage interactivity by 
asking all participants to share stories and contribute ideas for change.

Main Goal of Session: The main goal of this session will be to share 
knowledge about the biometric technologies that governments are using or 
planning to use to surveil and track their citizens - what are the 
capabilities of these surveillance systems; which are the companies 
designing the technologies; what activism has worked to limit the reach 
of these systems; and how can we strategize and work together to stop them.

Translate to Post-Conference Action: This session will translate to a 
post-conference action by building a community of lawyers and activists 
who are working together to share knowledge about and fight biometric 
surveillance. It may also develop principles for companies that are 
working on these technologies.
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Mon May  6 23:36:38 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 23:36:38 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Christchurch Call, Join online meetings for civil
 society and technical community
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCwLE4djNTnUj3wDvy=gS+98RCLf9EejGZPzp9LD_hyNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvCwLE4djNTnUj3wDvy=gS+98RCLf9EejGZPzp9LD_hyNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCXDrs2BCDBihOOjbuHQ1Otcf3g-qJA8dFLK71OF18ZTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Bestbits members,

Please join this collective action, join the online meetings or other
online discussions to issue a statement or at least discuss the
Christchurch call.


Farzaneh


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From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, May 6, 2019 at 11:29 PM
Subject: Christchurch Call, Join online meetings for civil society and
technical community



Dear all,

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern along with the French  President
Emmanuel Macron intends to sign a pledge with other nation states and CEOs
of tech companies to eliminate "terrorist, violent extremist content" on
the Internet
<https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-and-france-seek-end-use-social-media-acts-terrorism>,
in a meeting on 15 May in Paris.

We are planning to receive as much feedback as possible from Internet
governance civil society and the technical community about terrorist
content moderation online and relay the comments during the meetings held
in Paris. To do so we have organized two online meetings to be held on
Wednesday 8 May at 11.00 (AM) UTC and Friday 10 May at 11(AM) UTC. We had
to schedule the meetings to be more or less convenient for different
timezones.

For some background about the event and a timeline you can refer to:
Online Content Takedown, The Christchurch call
https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/05/05/online-content-takedown-the-christchurch-call/

InternetNZ facilitating Tech and Civil Society Participation in
Christchurch call: https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call


If you would like to discuss this topic and cannot make it to the online
meetings, you can always reach out or you can join this forum to continue
the discussions: https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/


We look forward to your participation.


**** Meeting information, 8 May and 10 May - To be held at 11 AM UTC*

Meeting URL
https://bluejeans.com/212601815?src=join_info

Meeting ID
212 601 815

Want to dial in from a phone?

Dial one of the following numbers:
+1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
+1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
(see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)

Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #

Connecting from a room system?
Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode


Farzaneh
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From amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com  Tue May  7 00:41:12 2019
From: amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com (Amrita)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 10:11:12 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] CCAOI: Policy and IG Updates of April 2019  from the
 Indian Perspective
Message-ID: <007c01d5048f$1b6bed30$5243c790$@com>

Hi,

 

Apologies for cross posting.

 

For those who may be interested, read the April edition of  CCAOI  Newsletter, for curated news on  IG events and policy discussions, using this  <https://www.ccaoi.in/UI/links/fwnewsletter/CCAOI%20Newsletter%20April%202019.pdf> link.

 

 

Regards,

 

Amrita Choudhury

CCAOI

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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Fri May 10 14:18:19 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 14:18:19 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Update on Christchurch call
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvARz6kMZuNjq8Mr+p12BNvg3sRnTwb-V-VFVcfZE+h8GQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvARz6kMZuNjq8Mr+p12BNvg3sRnTwb-V-VFVcfZE+h8GQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvDSWuCE-Zf=UZnL94n1L7_pauZOJKoeUmOXjaDXySR27Q@mail.gmail.com>

Farzaneh


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From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, May 10, 2019 at 2:18 PM
Subject: Update on Christchurch call
To: governance <governance at lists.riseup.net>


All,

Please find below the link to recordings of two online meetings we had.

Wednesday meeting: https://bluejeans.com/s/N9Mps

Friday meeting: https://bluejeans.com/s/N9Mps/

We decided to write one statement on the procedural aspect of the
Christchurch call and Civil Society participation, and another about the
substance of the Christchurch call.

We are gathering all the comments in the Google doc below which we will
discuss during our face to face meeting in Paris before the Voices for
Action meeting on 14 May.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ByMQScgaab4KBhr5fB_6uJ8txN9Fv77lXEbDdJTJzNE/edit
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From sheetal at gp-digital.org  Mon May 13 12:40:53 2019
From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 17:40:53 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
 Bestbits: next steps
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Message-ID: <CAK78muQwBJ1xfqgnosVwmKXVMXJPLHoT5Aty2MJWSpFTmsczAA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all

Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of  those of us
who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants here:
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see below what some
of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going forward.

   - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a day 0 event
   at IGF
   - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal steering
   committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as
   'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation
   of the event however they see fit
   - Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal agenda has
   been put together
   - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this effort come
   together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of focusing the
   day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already been
   proposed)

Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've now
decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the
discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level
coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an
agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.

Please provide your views on this.

Best
Sheetal.

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the recording
> I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary at the
> top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should
> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>
>
> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about civil
> society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call
> reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work
> together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported
> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the
> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call
> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage
> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore,
> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>
> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC would be
> helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the
> limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put something
> short together and then to share it with you for your feedback before
> sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple proposal
> to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants
> to chime in with more information please do.
>
> If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
>> report on the meeting.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>
>> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote:
>>
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at
>> 1
>> > PM UTC (see the link below).
>> >
>> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>> >
>> > Best
>> > Sheetal.
>> >
>> > Meeting room details
>> >
>> > *Meeting URL*
>> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>> >
>> > Meeting ID
>> > 524 189 381
>> > Want to dial in from a phone?
>> >
>> > Dial one of the following numbers:
>> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>> >
>> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>> >
>> > Connecting from a room system?
>> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>> >
>> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear all
>> > >
>> > > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on
>> *Wednesday,
>> > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
>> > >
>> > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>> > >
>> > > Best
>> > > Sheetal.
>> > >
>> > > Meeting room details
>> > >
>> > > *Meeting URL*
>> > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>> > >
>> > > Meeting ID
>> > > 524 189 381
>> > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>> > >
>> > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>> > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>> > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>> > > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>> > >
>> > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>> > >
>> > > Connecting from a room system?
>> > > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>> > >
>> > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
>> > > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone
>> relevant.
>> > >
>> > > Suggested agenda
>> > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's
>> happened
>> > > so far
>> > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>> > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>> > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>> > > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> Dear Akinremi,
>> > >>
>> > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the
>> participants of
>> > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
>> > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is working,
>> > >> then I do not have concerns.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thank you.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sivasubramanian M <
>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>> > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>> > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox is
>> not
>> > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net
>> mailing-list.
>> > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as
>> to be
>> > >>> able to help.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Regards.
>> > >>> Peter
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>> > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
>> > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different
>> problem. The
>> > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing
>> the
>> > >>>> Governance lists please?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Sivasubramanian M <
>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>> > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>> > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
>> > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be
>> limited to
>> > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an
>> independent
>> > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group
>> should cease
>> > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group
>> wants IGC
>> > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on
>> the
>> > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are
>> referring to.
>> > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy
>> issue that
>> > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
>> > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization
>> in the
>> > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat
>> remains.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Regards.
>> > >>>>> Peter
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>> > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
>> > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the
>> poll
>> > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the
>> IGC list.
>> > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits"
>> rather than
>> > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>> > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination,
>> and I know
>> > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The
>> conversations have
>> > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current
>> situation
>> > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>> > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society
>> coordination
>> > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which
>> gathered a
>> > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary
>> report of
>> > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was
>> discussion
>> > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that
>> however, it
>> > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree
>> a way
>> > >>>>>>> forward.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would
>> be
>> > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the
>> date and
>> > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>> > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>> > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>> > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so
>> far!
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <
>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>> > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a
>> summary included
>> > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first
>> half
>> > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45
>> minutes-1
>> > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC
>> founders and other
>> > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call
>> too.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a
>> way
>> > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to
>> change
>> > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding
>> a way
>> > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the
>> widest possible
>> > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how
>> to proceed,
>> > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a
>> follow up
>> > >>>>>>>> call.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <
>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be
>> great
>> > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you
>> could fill
>> > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much
>> appreciated.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>> > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>> > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>> > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide
>> next
>> > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
>> > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you
>> can,
>> > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into
>> the next set
>> > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of
>> Bestbits. Following a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as
>> members of IGC, it
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather
>> views of all members.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note
>> which
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to
>> the summaries of
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a
>> timely way, please
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday.
>> For
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list
>> of participants
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward
>> for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in
>> December and the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits
>> and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their
>> objectives,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed
>> to circulate a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four
>> suggested ways forward
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that
>> this survey with
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future
>> of the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both
>> lists shortly,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next
>> steps is
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The
>> full
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've
>> updated the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <
>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best
>> time
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking
>> forward
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <
>> http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to
>> record and share the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list.
>> Please let us know if
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open
>> mailing list if you
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC
>> lists,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
>> faced in
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>> lists/establishment
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as
>> information sharing
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>> decision
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they
>> were available for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member
>> you can join the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to
>> have a vague idea
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and
>> the relevant
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward.
>> The discussions here
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh
>> has kindly offered to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
>> faced
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>> lists/establishment
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as
>> information sharing
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we
>> also reach out to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and
>> inform the discussion
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the
>> conference room link
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and
>> have a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with
>> what Nnenna and Jeremy
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within
>> IGC and Bestbits
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really
>> improve participation?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be
>> done,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who
>> started
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions
>> and perspectives, same
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely
>> that
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which
>> many
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some
>> difficulty with
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks
>> for the group.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do
>> that now or do we need
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering
>> Committee
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since
>> it had
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the
>> 2012 ITU
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint
>> action
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had
>> driven
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There
>> were
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants
>> having
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own
>> funding.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability
>> resulted in
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of
>> rules
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people
>> weren't
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the
>> more
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that.
>> But I
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it
>> as
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new
>> nonprofit
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget
>> -q -i
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
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>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize
>> Economics, 1979
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
>> 173B
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>> > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>> > >>>>>>>
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>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> --
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>> > >>>>> --
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> <
>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>> >
>> > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>> > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>> > >>>>> <
>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>> >
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>>
>> > >>> <
>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>> >
>> > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>> > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>> > >>> <
>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>> >
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>> > > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > *Sheetal Kumar*
>> > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>> > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>> DD7F
>> > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
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> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
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*Sheetal Kumar*
Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
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