[bestbits] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps")

Deirdre Williams williams.deirdre at gmail.com
Thu Jun 13 14:05:15 EDT 2019 

Congratulations!!!
Deirdre

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019, 13:53 Sheetal Kumar, <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I am writing here on behalf of the thirteen members of IGC and/or Bestbits
> which met on June 11, day 0 of RightsCon in Tunis to take forward our
> discussion on how to better coordinate civil society efforts (see agenda &
> participants at bottom of this email). Please see our proposal below.
>
> Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from those
> who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a discussion of
> what is needed to address challenges to information sharing & coordination,
> those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or consolidating,
> efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four options suggested
> in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see attached). This
> discussion also draws on and continues a series of online conversations
> facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see a summary of
> here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture. There was a
> need identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation
> that opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will
> arise from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also
> agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future
> document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general
> framework should be developed.
>
> Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society
> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see
> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic
> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join
> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested
> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version
> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation
> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with
> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to
> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global
> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First
> Committee processes on cybersecurity).
>
> If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as
> outlined above, please share your perspectives by *05 July*. Should there
> be no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented after
> July 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, please
> do get in touch with us.
>
> Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), Pavitra
> Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC), Milton
> Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter Micek
> (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights),
> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of Expression),
> Arsene Tungali (Rudi International)
>
> Agenda followed:
> 1) Introductions
> 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed
> 3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why
> organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be?
> 4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? Agreement
> on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps
>
>
> --
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 16:36, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing those of you who can make it to our meeting in
>> Tunis tomorrow.
>>
>> If you're attending to come but haven't yet let me know, please drop me a
>> line if you can.
>>
>> Please find the details below:
>>
>> *Where:* Room DOUGGA on Tuesday, June 11th from 9am-12:30pm
>>
>> *Why/Aims/intended outcome:*
>>
>>    -
>> *Agreed next steps for organising a day 0 event *
>>
>>
>> *What/the agenda: *
>>
>> *1) Introductions (15 minutes)*
>>
>> *2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed (15 minutes)*
>>
>> *3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why
>> organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be?
>> (1-1.5 hours)*
>> *4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? Agreement
>> on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps (45 minutes) *
>>
>> Do let me know if you have any questions!
>>
>> Best
>>
>> *Best*
>>
>> *Sheetal.*
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 10:24, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to plan
>>> the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:
>>>
>>>    - Room Dougga
>>>    - June 11, *9am-12:30pm *
>>>    - Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>>>
>>> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be part
>>> of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet before/after
>>> the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed interest in this
>>> effort so I can add you to that too.
>>>
>>> Hope to see many of you soon!
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Sheetal.
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies off-thread
>>>> expressing interest in the effort.
>>>>
>>>> @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at the
>>>> RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you be
>>>> at RightsCon?
>>>>
>>>> On the way forward:
>>>>
>>>>    - Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to
>>>>    attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd like
>>>>    to accommodate everyone who can attend
>>>>    - If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please do
>>>>    get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and you can
>>>>    input into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have
>>>>    good wifi)
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov <ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire if we
>>>>> could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bach Avezdjanov
>>>>>
>>>>> Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>>>
>>>>> Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: 212 854 1591
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>>>>
>>>>> Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>>> <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter!
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Lee W McKnight
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter
>>>>> Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt <
>>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance; Sheetal Kumar
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the
>>>>> future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in Hyderabad
>>>>> where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on Internet
>>>>> Principles had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic
>>>>> Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the
>>>>> creation and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles
>>>>> among other positive outcomes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of this; ie
>>>>> among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the cross-CS
>>>>> coordination right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and methods
>>>>> embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at times to
>>>>> this prof).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net <
>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian muthusamy;
>>>>> Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt <
>>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the
>>>>> future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of  those
>>>>> of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants
>>>>> here:  https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see
>>>>> below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going
>>>>> forward.
>>>>>
>>>>>    - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a day 0
>>>>>    event at IGF
>>>>>    - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal steering
>>>>>    committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as
>>>>>    'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation
>>>>>    of the event however they see fit
>>>>>    - Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal
>>>>>    agenda has been put together
>>>>>    - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this effort
>>>>>    come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of
>>>>>    focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already
>>>>>    been proposed)
>>>>>
>>>>> Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've now
>>>>> decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the
>>>>> discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level
>>>>> coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an
>>>>> agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide your views on this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the
>>>>> recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary
>>>>> at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should
>>>>> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about
>>>>> civil society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call
>>>>> reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work
>>>>> together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
>>>>> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported
>>>>> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the
>>>>> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call
>>>>> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage
>>>>> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore,
>>>>> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC would
>>>>> be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the
>>>>> limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put something
>>>>> short together and then to share it with you for your feedback before
>>>>> sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple proposal
>>>>> to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants
>>>>> to chime in with more information please do.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <
>>>>> tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
>>>>> report on the meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>>>>
>>>>> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Dear all,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour
>>>>> at 1
>>>>> > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Best
>>>>> > Sheetal.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Meeting room details
>>>>> >
>>>>> > *Meeting URL*
>>>>> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Meeting ID
>>>>> > 524 189 381
>>>>> > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>>> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Connecting from a room system?
>>>>> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Dear all
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on
>>>>> *Wednesday,
>>>>> > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Best
>>>>> > > Sheetal.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Meeting room details
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > *Meeting URL*
>>>>> > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Meeting ID
>>>>> > > 524 189 381
>>>>> > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>>> > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>> > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>> > > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Connecting from a room system?
>>>>> > > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID &
>>>>> passcode
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
>>>>> > > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone
>>>>> relevant.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Suggested agenda
>>>>> > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's
>>>>> happened
>>>>> > > so far
>>>>> > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>> > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>> > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>>> > > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the
>>>>> participants of
>>>>> > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion
>>>>> about
>>>>> > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is
>>>>> working,
>>>>> > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Thank you.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>> > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>>>> > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox
>>>>> is not
>>>>> > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net
>>>>> mailing-list.
>>>>> > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so
>>>>> as to be
>>>>> > >>> able to help.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> Regards.
>>>>> > >>> Peter
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>>> > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits
>>>>> list to
>>>>> > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different
>>>>> problem. The
>>>>> > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is
>>>>> managing the
>>>>> > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>> Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>> > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>>>> > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited
>>>>> to
>>>>> > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be
>>>>> limited to
>>>>> > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an
>>>>> independent
>>>>> > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group
>>>>> should cease
>>>>> > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC
>>>>> group wants IGC
>>>>> > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts
>>>>> on the
>>>>> > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are
>>>>> referring to.
>>>>> > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any
>>>>> privacy issue that
>>>>> > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on
>>>>> this.
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
>>>>> > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society
>>>>> organization in the
>>>>> > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many
>>>>> hat remains.
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> Regards.
>>>>> > >>>>> Peter
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>> > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response,
>>>>> only
>>>>> > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly
>>>>> the poll
>>>>> > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to
>>>>> the IGC list.
>>>>> > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of
>>>>> Bestbits" rather than
>>>>> > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>> > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in
>>>>> these
>>>>> > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society
>>>>> coordination, and I know
>>>>> > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The
>>>>> conversations have
>>>>> > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current
>>>>> situation
>>>>> > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network),
>>>>> and
>>>>> > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society
>>>>> coordination
>>>>> > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which
>>>>> gathered a
>>>>> > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a
>>>>> summary report of
>>>>> > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there
>>>>> was discussion
>>>>> > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do
>>>>> that however, it
>>>>> > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and
>>>>> agree a way
>>>>> > >>>>>>> forward.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It
>>>>> would be
>>>>> > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm
>>>>> the date and
>>>>> > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions
>>>>> so far!
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best
>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I
>>>>> have
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a
>>>>> summary included
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first
>>>>> half
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward
>>>>> (45 minutes-1
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC
>>>>> founders and other
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate
>>>>> call too.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to
>>>>> find a way
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to
>>>>> change
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in
>>>>> finding a way
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the
>>>>> widest possible
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on
>>>>> how to proceed,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle
>>>>> for a follow up
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> call.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would
>>>>> be great
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If
>>>>> you could fill
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much
>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> <
>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to
>>>>> decide next
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you
>>>>> to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if
>>>>> you can,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed
>>>>> into the next set
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please
>>>>> see a
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of
>>>>> Bestbits. Following a
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as
>>>>> members of IGC, it
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather
>>>>> views of all members.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note
>>>>> which
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links
>>>>> to the summaries of
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are
>>>>> invited to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a
>>>>> timely way, please
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call
>>>>> yesterday. For
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the
>>>>> list of participants
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways
>>>>> forward for
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in
>>>>> December and the
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both
>>>>> Bestbits and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their
>>>>> objectives,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we
>>>>> agreed to circulate a
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four
>>>>> suggested ways forward
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that
>>>>> this survey with
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the
>>>>> future of the
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to
>>>>> both lists shortly,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next
>>>>> steps is
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*.
>>>>> The full
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've
>>>>> updated the
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <
>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the
>>>>> best time
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking
>>>>> forward
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <
>>>>> http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number
>>>>> will
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to
>>>>> record and share the
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list.
>>>>> Please let us know if
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open
>>>>> mailing list if you
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC
>>>>> lists,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
>>>>> faced in
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>>>>> lists/establishment
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as
>>>>> information sharing
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>>>> decision
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>> >and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they
>>>>> were available for
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits
>>>>> member you can join the
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just
>>>>> to have a vague idea
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic,
>>>>> and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives
>>>>> and the relevant
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch
>>>>> base
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way
>>>>> forward. The discussions here
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh
>>>>> has kindly offered to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call
>>>>> to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
>>>>> faced
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>>>>> lists/establishment
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as
>>>>> information sharing
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that
>>>>> we also reach out to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and
>>>>> inform the discussion
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of
>>>>> next
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the
>>>>> conference room link
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and
>>>>> have a
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with
>>>>> what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together
>>>>> within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again
>>>>> really improve participation?
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to
>>>>> be done,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who
>>>>> started
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same
>>>>> perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems
>>>>> unlikely that
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC
>>>>> (which many
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having
>>>>> some difficulty with
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management
>>>>> tasks for the group.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues
>>>>> and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to
>>>>> do that now or do we need
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering
>>>>> Committee
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while
>>>>> since it had
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the
>>>>> 2012 ITU
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint
>>>>> action
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside
>>>>> and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer
>>>>> steering
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had
>>>>> driven
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There
>>>>> were
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants
>>>>> having
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own
>>>>> funding.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability
>>>>> resulted in
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of
>>>>> rules
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people
>>>>> weren't
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the
>>>>> more
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for
>>>>> that. But I
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to
>>>>> it as
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new
>>>>> nonprofit
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~'
>>>>> 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the
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>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize
>>>>> Economics, 1979
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
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>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
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>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
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>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>> > >>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>> ---
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>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> --
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> <
>>>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>>>> > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>>>> > >>>>> <
>>>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> --
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> <
>>>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>>>> > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>>>> > >>> <
>>>>> https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > --
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> > > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>> 0603
>>>>> > > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>>>>
>>>>> > ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>
>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>
>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>
>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>
>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>
>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>
>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>
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