[bestbits] [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits
ian.peter at ianpeter.com
ian.peter at ianpeter.com
Wed Jan 9 01:16:45 EST 2019
Actually while this seemed to me the obvious way forward at first - BB
emerged out of IGC, so why not get back together again - on reflection
there are a few issues.
Firstly I note that the IGC website is down so I cant check things - but
from memory IGC had a constitution which we adopted early on which
proved very difficult to change, and which may not be altogether
suitable for what is needed now. I think this should be looked at before
everyone is locked into something that is unsuitable. Can someone get
the website up and running?
But in any case, merging I think is necessary. At the very worst, if IGC
proves to be a not completely suitable platform going forward, there is
always the option to start something else to overcome the problems and
get everyone to move on.
The key I think is to work together and to seek the simplest paths
forward to do this.
Ian
------ Original Message ------
From: "Nadira Alaraj" <nadira.araj at gmail.com>
To: "Carolina Rossini" <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>
Cc: "<bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
Sent: 9/01/2019 4:17:34 PM
Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best
Bits
>Valid questions Carolina,
>If you didn't get a replies from members of the founding Bestbits
>groups then the current membership are none affiliated individuals.
>Therefore, Ian's proposal is the practical solution.
>Best,
>Nadira
>
>On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 06:19 Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com
>wrote:
>>While Ian’s idea is interesting, I wonder - Who is in the BB list and
>>is not in the IGC list? Why is that the case? Are there
>>barriers/conditions to entry? Are they high or low barriers?
>>
>>As Ian also noticed, both lists were born from different/specific
>>communities, principles, ways of work, diversity, etc.
>>
>>Should the IGC’s principles and ways of work be laid out here, so they
>>are handy for folks to review and give their opinion if this is the
>>preferred way to move forward?
>>
>>It would be interesting to hear specially from those non overlapping
>>folks before moving forward. I feel it would also be relevant to some
>>if the ICG founders commit to be open to potential new input and
>>feedback.
>>
>>Maybe there is a deal to be striken here to ensure IGC is the correct
>>place.
>>
>>I don’t want to complicate things, I just want to make sure all are
>>heard and have the tools to express their preference.
>>
>>Happy new year, everybody!
>>
>>C
>>
>>On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:29 PM Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu>
>>wrote:
>>>I support Ian's idea as well.
>>>
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>>>From:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>><bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Judith Hellerstein
>>><judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 4:53:02 PM
>>>To:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with
>>>Best Bits
>>>
>>>HI,
>>>
>>>I support Ian's idea
>>>
>>>Judith
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>>>On 1/8/2019 3:35 PM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>><mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>>>>I support the idea of merging. BB served a useful purpose for a
>>>>while but that time has past.
>>>>
>>>>I suggest the easiest way to do this is for BB to decide to disband,
>>>>and encourage any remaining members who are not already on the IGC
>>>>mailing list to join up there.
>>>>
>>>>Ian
>>>>
>>>>------ Original Message ------
>>>>From: "Mwendwa Kivuva" <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
>>>>To: "Sheetal Kumar" <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>Cc: "< bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>><mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>>"
>>>><bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>>Sent: 9/01/2019 4:52:30 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with
>>>>Best Bits
>>>>
>>>>>A good idea as this is, can we get the genesis of how CS was split
>>>>>into different groupings?
>>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 8:31 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(dropping IGC as this is just for Bestbits members) Firstly, happy
>>>>>>new year! I am writing to follow up on the conversation with
>>>>>>regards to a proposal to merge IGC and Bestbits, discussed by
>>>>>>those who attended the call organised last December.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As noted earlier, the merger of the two groups was suggested as a
>>>>>>way of avoiding duplication of work between groups, pooling
>>>>>>resources and streamlining efforts so that they're more focused
>>>>>>and coordinated - particularly around key forums and events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It would be interesting to hear feedback on this idea, positive or
>>>>>>otherwise. Otherwise, I suggest another call to decide next steps?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best
>>>>>>Sheetal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 at 02:46, ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>>>>><mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com> <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Hi Arsene,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mergers are difficult and imagine that both sides are going to
>>>>>>>have to change structurally so that they can work together. Both
>>>>>>>organisations have working rules and practices, changing both
>>>>>>>sets will be complex and I think unnecessary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My opinion is that, in this case, BB should just decide to fold -
>>>>>>>and in doing so, encourage its members to join IGC if they are
>>>>>>>not already involved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's a lot simpler and leaves IGC intact and continuing as an
>>>>>>>umbrella groups for civil society involvement in internet
>>>>>>>governance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(Best Bits copied in). Just suggesting this because I think it is
>>>>>>>a lot easier.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ian Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>------ Original Message ------
>>>>>>>From: "Arsène Tungali" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>>>>>>To: "Mueller, Milton L" <milton at gatech.edu>
>>>>>>>Cc: "Farzaneh Badiei" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>;
>>>>>>>"governance at lists.riseup.net" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>>>>>>Sent: 21/12/2018 9:12:28 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Milton, i think i tried to explain why i was suggesting that.
>>>>>>>>Sorry if that was not clear. The reason is simple: we agreed to
>>>>>>>>take time to discuss the merger issue within the two groups
>>>>>>>>separately. So, if we Cc both lists that means to me we are not
>>>>>>>>doing separately anymore. That’s my understanding and i may be
>>>>>>>>wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 20 Dec 2018, at 23:32, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why segregate the discussions, Arsene?
>>>>>>>>>I don't understand that. It merely perpetuates the problem of a
>>>>>>>>>fragmented and uncoordinated civil society!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--MM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>From: governance-request at lists.riseup.net
>>>>>>>>>><mailto:governance-request at lists.riseup.net>
>>>>>>>>>>[mailto:governance-
>>>>>>>>>>request at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Arsène Tungali
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:32 AM
>>>>>>>>>>To: Farzaneh Badiei <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>Cc: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>>>>>><mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>> <
>>>>>>>>>><bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>;
>>>>>>>>>>governance <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best
>>>>>>>>>>Bits
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Farzaneh, all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>While we are still discussing and I do appreciate the
>>>>>>>>>>discussion, may I please
>>>>>>>>>>suggest we keep discussions separate in each specific group?
>>>>>>>>>>As I said in my original email, the issue of a merger should
>>>>>>>>>>be discussed
>>>>>>>>>>SEPARATELY at the IGC and Best Bits lists.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Each group needs to have an internal discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So, please do not Cc both groups when communicating. Some
>>>>>>>>>>members are
>>>>>>>>>>on both lists and have posting rights on both but others
>>>>>>>>>>don't, this may lead
>>>>>>>>>>to having fragmented pieces of emails when everyone is
>>>>>>>>>>responding.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hope this makes sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>Arsene
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>2018-12-17 23:33 UTC+02:00, farzaneh badii
>>>>>>>>>><farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Arsene.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>We need to decide on merging IGC and BestBits. The suggestion
>>>>>>>>>>>comes
>>>>>>>>>>>from the fact that we have not been active much during the
>>>>>>>>>>>past year.
>>>>>>>>>>>Also fragmented efforts are a strain on resources. Having
>>>>>>>>>>>multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>elections and multiple groups to coordinate (with really
>>>>>>>>>>>minimal
>>>>>>>>>>>differences) and then not be active at all for a year is not
>>>>>>>>>>>really
>>>>>>>>>>recommendable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>De told us that apparently there is some kind of consensus
>>>>>>>>>>>method if I
>>>>>>>>>>>am not mistaken. De, is there a documented approach?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I think the most important is to discuss why BestBits was
>>>>>>>>>>>created and
>>>>>>>>>>>whether the reasons still stand and how BestBits members feel
>>>>>>>>>>>about
>>>>>>>>>>>the merge. Maybe the ones with strong objections can be
>>>>>>>>>>>convinced,
>>>>>>>>>>maybe not.
>>>>>>>>>>>Lets have the conversation. If we do not see a strong
>>>>>>>>>>>objection
>>>>>>>>>>>(multiple organizations, individuals object and give reasons
>>>>>>>>>>>as to why
>>>>>>>>>>>BestBits should remain even if dormant), then we can decide
>>>>>>>>>>>on the
>>>>>>>>>>>merge. If there are strong objections, then we will not go
>>>>>>>>>>>with the merge.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>From what I see from BestBits website, the following
>>>>>>>>>>>individuals are
>>>>>>>>>>>at the steering committee of BestBits:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>- Nighat Dad
>>>>>>>>>>>- Poncelet Ileleji
>>>>>>>>>>>- Renata Ribeiro
>>>>>>>>>>>- Dave Burstein
>>>>>>>>>>>- Imran Ahmed Shah [second term of election]
>>>>>>>>>>>- Antonella Perini [co-opted by committee]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Besbits CSCG Representatives
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>- Claudio Lucena Neto (2018-2019)
>>>>>>>>>>>- Sheetal Kumar (2017-2018)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Does this list still stand? Do the steering committee members
>>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>BestBits and the reps on CSCG would like to weigh in?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I know Sheetal was on the call. Would be good to hear from
>>>>>>>>>>>others.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 9:00 AM Arsène Tungali
>>>>>>>>>>><governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You have probably seen this already on a different thread
>>>>>>>>>>>>but thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>it well to have this discussion solely on the IGC list (as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>expect
>>>>>>>>>>>>Best Bits to do the same), that's why i started this thread
>>>>>>>>>>>>hoping to
>>>>>>>>>>>>hear from you on this important question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>This need for merging was raised by some IGC members during
>>>>>>>>>>>>a civil
>>>>>>>>>>>>society call that had mostly IGC and Best Bits participants;
>>>>>>>>>>>>many of
>>>>>>>>>>>>whom are both IGC and Best Bits (BB) members. The call
>>>>>>>>>>>>happened last
>>>>>>>>>>>>week and Farzaneh offered to share the link to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>recording.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I will not go into much details about the rationale but
>>>>>>>>>>>>would welcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>anyone to weigh in and share their reasoning on whether or
>>>>>>>>>>>>not we
>>>>>>>>>>>>should merge both lists. We will need to also answer the
>>>>>>>>>>>>question on
>>>>>>>>>>>>how (who is doing what?) will this happen? Is the IGC going
>>>>>>>>>>>>to become
>>>>>>>>>>>>BB or the latter becoming IGC? Or are we working towards a
>>>>>>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>>>>>>>group where members of both groups will all be added?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>This brings back to my memory the whole hassle we had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>migrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>(SAVE?) this list and allow us to have this discussion list
>>>>>>>>>>>>(which
>>>>>>>>>>>>hasn't been quite active for a few months but where many
>>>>>>>>>>>>feel safe to
>>>>>>>>>>>>share IG related updates). So i hope we discuss and take
>>>>>>>>>>>>into account
>>>>>>>>>>>>the technical cost of the merging process (should it
>>>>>>>>>>>>happen).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I am also not sure how we will gauge consensus about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>question on
>>>>>>>>>>>>this list? Should we vote? How long do we take to decide?
>>>>>>>>>>>>Should we
>>>>>>>>>>>>consult IGC 'founders' or former Co-coordinators separately
>>>>>>>>>>>>and ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>them what they think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>During the call, Bruna and I offered to have a decision by
>>>>>>>>>>>>mid-January and we hope this is realistic given the holiday
>>>>>>>>>>>>season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>We will then report to the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I just wanted to throw this all here and would REALLY
>>>>>>>>>>>>appreciate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>discussion that will help us move forward and come to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>Arsene
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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