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Hi all

Follow up from Mozilla's open letter below.

Thanks!
Becky

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Hi Becky and Jessica,



I hope that you’re both doing well! I’m writing with an update about our
campaign to demand greater transparency of political ads.



Back in February we sent a letter to Facebook telling them to increase
their transparency efforts. Just a few hours after our open letter went
online, a Facebook representative responded to our
<https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2019/02/13/facebook-answers-mozillas-call-to-deliver-open-ad-api-ahead-of-eu-election/>letter
announcing that they’d be releasing a public database of political ads (and
a searchable version called an API) by the end of this month. We expected
that Google would release their API on 14 March as they promised, but
they’ve already pushed that deadline back—despite the European
Parliamentary elections drawing closer every day.



As disinformation continues to spread across online platforms with the
potential to interfere with democratic elections, it’s critical that these
tools are accessible and effective.



*So today, Mozilla and a cohort of 10 independent researchers are **publishing
five guidelines*
<https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2019/03/27/facebook-and-google-this-is-what-an-effective-ad-archive-api-looks-like/>*
that these APIs must meet in order to truly support election influence
monitoring and independent research.*



Along with sending these to Google, Facebook and Twitter directly, we’ll
also be sharing these guidelines with the European Commissioners who are
responsible for assessing how the platforms are doing on their commitments
made in the EU Code of Practice on Disinformation. It’s rumoured that
Facebook will release the API that they promised us in the coming days, and
we hope that this will be a useful baseline for lawmakers and the public to
critically assess these transparency efforts.



*Will you help us by **sharing the letter with your network
<https://twitter.com/mozilla/status/1111234602650226690>**?* Our plan is to
continue to apply pressure until we achieve meaningful transparency. This
isn’t only important for the elections happening in a few weeks in
Europe—it’s a critical step towards achieving openness and accountability
that impacts people in every corner of the world.



Thanks so much for your support-

Brandi



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From valeriab at apc.org  Wed Apr  3 22:53:26 2019
From: valeriab at apc.org (Valeria Betancourt)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 21:53:26 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] GISWatch 2019 Call for Proposals: Country Reports
Message-ID: <67cbf24f-bb05-1cbc-fd67-bb5e4c2bf79b@apc.org>

Dear all,

We are happy to let you know that APC is launching a call for proposals
for the upcoming edition of GISWatch and invite you to send in your
submissions for country reports!

This year the theme is artificial intelligence, an exciting topic with
multiple angles to explore. Below you will find the terms of reference
for preparing your proposal (also attached as PDF) and do feel free to
distribute it among your network.

A reminder that the deadline to send in your proposals is *Friday 19
April 2019*

Please feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions. We look
forward to receiving your submissions!

Best wishes,

Valeria Betancourt
Association for Progressive Communications (APC) <https://www.apc.org/>

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*Global Information Society Watch (GISWatch) 2019*

Annual Report

*Call for proposals*

Terms of reference (TOR) for country reports

*Theme:    Artificial intelligence: Human rights, social justice and
development*

_Deadline for proposals: 19 April 2019_

*Introduction*

This 2019 edition of GISWatch will focus on the implications  of
Artificial Intelligence (AI) systems on human rights, social justice and
development in the local context, with a specific focus on countries in
the Global South.

AI is now receiving unprecedented global attention as it finds
widespread practical application in multiple spheres of activity: from
aviation and transport, to medicine, agriculture and climate change;
from policing, surveillance and military robotics, to warehouse
operations management, the provision of social services, smart
technology in the home, search engines and social media.

AI can be defined broadly as computer systems designed to perform tasks
in a way that is considered to be intelligent, including those that
“learn” through the application of algorithms to large amounts of data.
It is not a new phenomenon: it has been around for six decades at least.
But while definitions of AI (and subsets of AI) might vary, it is really
through the context of its conceptualisation, design and application
that the meaning and social implications of its use can be understood,
particularly as a result of how bias and power are embedded in AI systems.

The conversation on AI has so far been driven largely by Western and
Global North perspectives. However, the assumptions, values, incentives
and socio-economic environments within which AI technologies function
vary greatly across jurisdictions. There is no single metric that can be
applied to understand properly the success, pitfalls, and effects of AI
on societies across the world. The questions remain: What specific and
unique issues arise in different contexts? How can we make the
conversation around AI more global and inclusive from the outset?

We are interested in the human rights, social justice and development
implications of the application of AI in specific contexts, with an
emphasis on developing countries in the Global South. What effect do AI
systems have on the distribution of wealth and access to resources in
the digital era? What impact do these systems have on vulnerable and
marginalised populations around the world? How do they impact,
positively or negatively, human rights concerns such as privacy, freedom
of expression and association, access to information, access to work, to
organise and join trade unions, the right to food or housing, and the
right to life?  What are the political implications of the widespread
use of data in building AI systems? What does this mean from an
intersectional feminist perspective? Are there any implications for
transparency and accountability, or related concerns such as open
knowledge systems, open hardware and open internet architectures?

*How to participate in this call*

1) Read the instructions contained in this call, and if you wish to
participate, send your proposal before the deadline to GISWatch
production coordinator Maja Romano (maja at apc.org) and editor Alan Finlay
(editor at giswatch.org). The proposal, which should be written in English,
should reach us by 19 April 2019 at the latest, and include the
following information (no more than 400 words):

a) Name, organisation, country
b) Outline of the issue or topic you will write about. We need to know:
    i) What area of AI will you be exploring?
    ii) What is the context that you will be writing about? Include here
the specific social application of the AI technology you will be
discussing. We are interested in concrete, real-life situations that can
be described so that the implications of AI become "visible" for the
reader. One way to do this is to focus on a story or narrative (e.g. it
might involved a local community, a policy advocacy process, a new
technical development, an event, etc.) that helps to set the scene for
the broader discussion of AI and human rights in a concrete and
meaningful way. It is by exploring specific experiences at the local
level – rather than in a high-level abstract way – that the nuanced
implications of the use of technology can be understood.
    iii) What are the expected human rights and/or social justice and/or
development implications of the application of AI in this context that
you will be exploring?
    iv) What are the envisaged policy advocacy implications of your
report that you expect to discuss?
    v) Are there any specific research methods you will follow in
writing your report? For example, will you conduct interviews with
stakeholders, a survey or convene a workshop/meeting where others can
share their views?
    vi) How will you engage other civil society organisations working in
this field in your country?

2) The authors will be selected by middle of May. If you are selected
you will have to two months to write and submit your final report by 30
June 2019.

*More on the report writing process*

1) If your proposal is selected, the report you write on your chosen
topic must be written in English and have a maximum length of 2300
words. For consistency, the report should be developed using a template
that will be provided to authors. APC will provide you with background
readings and online training, and support you during the writing
process. Sharing your progress and ideas with other authors will make
the report even more cohesive and representative of the globalsituation,
and you will be able to do this through the mailing list that will be
set up for GISWatch country report authors selected for this edition.

2) Once submitted, your report will enter the editing process. The
report will be edited by the GISWatch editor, and returned to you for
clarifications or to respond to editorial comments. In order to ensure
consistency in the quality of reports published, editorial comments are
often substantial, so proper time needs to be allocated by the authors
to respond to the necessary questions and changes. This process will
take place from August until September 2019.

3) Once the final report has been accepted, organisations will receive a
payment in support of writing of 700 USD (seven hundred US dollars).

If you have questions do not hesitate to contact us: * GISWatch: Maja
Romano (GISWatch production coordinator,
maja at apc.org), cc'ing Alan Finlay (editor at giswatch.org). * Website:
www.giswatch.org

We look forward to your report proposal! Remember the deadline is 19 April!

Important: Please note that the aim of GISWatch is to encourage local
participation in rights-based issues. Because of this, for this edition
it is critical that lead authors or organisations have residence in the
country they are writing about. Under certain circumstances, we may
accept proposals from lead authors who are not residents in a country
they wish to write about, such as proposals from displaced persons, or
authors who have strong firsthand experience in a country. Lead authors
may also wish to coordinate co-authors for the chapter and those
co-authors may not necessarily need to be based in the same country.

*Potential report angles*

While your report proposal should be concrete and specific in discussing
the local context (please see proposal requirements above), you might
want to use the suggestions below to explore some of the following
topics or as entry points for your analysis:

    * Gender: Feminist critiques of AI systems, including analysis on
the design, development, deployment, solutions and use of AI  systems.
    * Inclusivity: What are the various ways, whether through training,
policy or access, in which AI and machine learning systems exclude or
include vulnerable communities?
    * Technical considerations: What technical fixes or limitations are
important to consider in context of AI and machine learning systems in
specific contexts?
    * Design: How do design choices impact the use and effect of AI and
machine learning systems?
    * Human Rights: What is the nexus between AI and machine learning
and human rights in general?
    * AI and new forms of censorship: Given that AI is increasingly used
to police unlawful or infringing content, what implications does this
have for freedom of speech and expression? What about the increasing
demand to use AI tools to police online toxicity such as hate speech
against gender and minorities?
    * AI and privacy: From data used to train AI systems to AI
applications like facial recognition, what impact do AI and machine
learning systems have on privacy?
    * AI and data protection: How do AI and machine learning systems
interplay with data protection regimes across the world?  (The right not
to be subject to automated decision-making  / The right to an
explanation when people are legally or significantly affected by
automated decision-making.)
    * Economic, social and cultural rights (ESCRs): How can the ESCRs
inform the ongoing debate about the impact and potential of AI and
machine learning systems? What are the human rights challenges of labour
automation? What about the positive implications of the use AI in
monitoring workers to improve their safety in the workplace?
    * Anti-trust: What competition impacts do AI and machine learning
systems have in economies?
    * Public and private accountability: What impact, positive or
negative, can AI and machine learning have on accountability mechanisms?
These can be technical, legal or social.
    * Economy: What is the impact of AI and automated systems in the way
in which resources and wealth are distributed locally?
    * Knock-on effect: How does AI and automated decision-making
intersect with and affect other structures and mechanisms of societal
decision-making?
    * Liability and responsibility: Who is responsible for consequences
of automated decision making, particularly when they causes harm or
negatively affect people? What are the regulatory compliance and
transparency minimum standards?
    * National security, law enforcement and the military use of AI,
such as Automated Weapons Systems (AWS) and the use of AI in cyberwarfare.

Timeline

Deadline for proposals:          19 April 2019
Authors informed of accepted proposals: mid-May 2019
Authors to prepare country chapter:    May-June 2019
Deadline for country chapter:        30 June 2019
Editing process:            July-Aug 2019
Deadline for final country report:    31 August 2019

[Please see attached PDF for complete info.]


-- 
Valeria Betancourt
Directora / Manager
Programa de Políticas de Information y Comunicación / Communication and
Information Policy Programme
Asociación para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones / Association for
Progressive Communications, APC
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From JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org  Thu Apr  4 19:04:18 2019
From: JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Jean_F=2E_Qu=C3=A9ralt?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 01:04:18 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] TIOF - TOR training at RightsCon.
Message-ID: <CACuyrh-B3reWkk0HdoNnTH_P6Cv78dDZmzBJhF_zPjVA-OtLCA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

During a session today at IFF with some TOR members I've proposed to
consider a training on TOR for Civil Society since RightsCon was in their
agenda.

I'll probably meet them tomorrow and will raise this option again so I'd
like to know how many of you, tentatively, would be interested in this.

@Carolina & Nikki:
Should this move forward, would it be possible to arrange for a space?

@RiseUp: I am not familiar with your distribution list so I am not sure
this is the right channel to address this proposal. I have decided to give
it a try for considering that it's worth asking. Please advise if I should
have proceeded differently.

Best,
Jean
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From 6.internet at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 23:11:48 2019
From: 6.internet at gmail.com (sivasubramanian muthusamy)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 08:41:48 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to discuss
this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem. The  igcaucus.
org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the Governance lists
please?

Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
twitter.com/shivaindia


On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>
> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to Bestbit
> only and that the discussion about merging should be limited to each group.
> This would enable each group to do a kind of an independent assessment that
> would inform the decision of whether the group should cease or merge. Also,
> I could remember that some folks on the IGC group wants IGC to remain as it
> is.
>
> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the IGC
> list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are referring to.
> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy issue that
> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
>
> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our discussion
> was to accommodate regional civil society organization in the sphere of IG
> but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat remains.
>
> Regards.
> Peter
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only about 8
>> respondents.
>>
>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>
>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>>> forward.
>>>
>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be great
>>> if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and set up a
>>> room.
>>>
>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>
>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>
>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Sheetal.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have attached
>>>> the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included at the
>>>> top in case useful.
>>>>
>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half spent
>>>> discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1 hour) and
>>>> the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other key
>>>> members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>>
>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way to
>>>> promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change the
>>>> current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way forward
>>>> which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible range of
>>>> opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed, please do
>>>> chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up call.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great to
>>>>> hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill out
>>>>> the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
>>>>> steps next week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to those
>>>>>> who have responded already.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can, by
>>>>>> using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set of
>>>>>> discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a survey
>>>>>>> below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a call on
>>>>>>> February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it was
>>>>>>> agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any questions at
>>>>>>> all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and IGC
>>>>>>>> have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives, particularly
>>>>>>>> when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a survey to both
>>>>>>>> lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward which were
>>>>>>>> discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with the broader
>>>>>>>> communities feed into a decision on the future of the platforms. The survey
>>>>>>>> will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,  and your participation
>>>>>>>> would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is this
>>>>>>>>> coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full details
>>>>>>>>> are included in my previous email and I've updated the etherpad
>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture> with those
>>>>>>>>> planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time for
>>>>>>>>>> the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full details of the
>>>>>>>>>> call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward to
>>>>>>>>>> speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will appear on
>>>>>>>>>> the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the link with
>>>>>>>>>> the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if you do not
>>>>>>>>>> want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you call in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing devices:
>>>>>>>>>> pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and I've
>>>>>>>>>> also added the names of those who indicated they were available for the
>>>>>>>>>> call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the call
>>>>>>>>>> without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea of
>>>>>>>>>> numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base again
>>>>>>>>>>> in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to decide
>>>>>>>>>>> next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we suggest
>>>>>>>>>>> only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to some IGC
>>>>>>>>>>> folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion only.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next week
>>>>>>>>>>> (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done, what
>>>>>>>>>>>> we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>> and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that we
>>>>>>>>>>>> would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many of
>>>>>>>>>>>> us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and find a
>>>>>>>>>>>> common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having hidden
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and informal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could resuscitate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i - -O
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge"
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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From amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  5 01:42:36 2019
From: amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com (Amrita)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 11:12:36 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] CCAOI: Policy and IG Updates of March 2019  from the
 Indian Perspective
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Hi,

 

Apologies for cross posting.

 

For those who may be interested, read the CCAOI March Newsletter, for
curated news on  IG events and policy discussions, from the Indian
perspective using this link.

 

Regards

 

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From joly at punkcast.com  Fri Apr  5 01:51:30 2019
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 01:51:30 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] CCAOI: Policy and IG Updates of March 2019 from the
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> this link.

http://www.ccaoi.in/UI/links/fwnewsletter/CCAOI%20Newsletter%20March%202019.pdf

:)


On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:42 AM Amrita <amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Apologies for cross posting.
>
>
>
> For those who may be interested, read the CCAOI March Newsletter, for
> curated news on  IG events and policy discussions, from the Indian
> perspective using this link.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Amrita
>
> CCAOI
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From 6.internet at gmail.com  Sat Apr  6 03:54:59 2019
From: 6.internet at gmail.com (sivasubramanian muthusamy)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 13:24:59 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
 Bestbits: next steps
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Dear Akinremi,

I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants of
the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about merging
should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is working, then I do not
have concerns.

Thank you.

Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
twitter.com/shivaindia


On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>
> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox is not
> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net mailing-list.
> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as to be
> able to help.
>
> Regards.
> Peter
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem. The
>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
>> Governance lists please?
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>
>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to Bestbit
>>> only and that the discussion about merging should be limited to each group.
>>> This would enable each group to do a kind of an independent assessment that
>>> would inform the decision of whether the group should cease or merge. Also,
>>> I could remember that some folks on the IGC group wants IGC to remain as it
>>> is.
>>>
>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the IGC
>>> list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are referring to.
>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy issue that
>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
>>>
>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization in the
>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat remains.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only about
>>>> 8 respondents.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>>
>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>>>>> forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
>>>>> set up a room.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>>
>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way to
>>>>>> promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change the
>>>>>> current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way forward
>>>>>> which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible range of
>>>>>> opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed, please do
>>>>>> chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great to
>>>>>>> hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill out
>>>>>>> the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to those
>>>>>>>> who have responded already.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can,
>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set
>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any questions
>>>>>>>>> at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full details
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward to
>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will appear
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the link with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if you do not
>>>>>>>>>>>> want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you call in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing devices:
>>>>>>>>>>>> pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> also added the names of those who indicated they were available for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the call
>>>>>>>>>>>> without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea of
>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base again
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to decide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we suggest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to some IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next week
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and informal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could resuscitate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -O -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
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From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 13:39:46 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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 Dear all

As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on *Wednesday,
April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.

Looking forward to speaking to you then!

Best
Sheetal.

Meeting room details

*Meeting URL*
https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info

Meeting ID
524 189 381
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Dial one of the following numbers:
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Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #

Connecting from a room system?
Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode

Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone relevant.

Suggested agenda
1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's happened
so far
1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
3) Meeting at RightsCon?


On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Dear Akinremi,
>
> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants of
> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is working, then
> I do not have concerns.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> twitter.com/shivaindia
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>
>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox is not
>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net mailing-list.
>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as to be
>> able to help.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Peter
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem. The
>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
>>> Governance lists please?
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>>
>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be limited to
>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an independent
>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group should cease
>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>>> to remain as it is.
>>>>
>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the IGC
>>>> list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are referring to.
>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy issue that
>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
>>>>
>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization in the
>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat remains.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only about
>>>>> 8 respondents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>>>
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
>>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to those
>>>>>>>>> who have responded already.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can,
>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set
>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any questions
>>>>>>>>>> at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full details
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will appear
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the link with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if you do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you call in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing devices:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also added the names of those who indicated they were available for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the call
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to decide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we suggest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to some IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -O -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
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>>>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
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>>>>
>>>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>
>

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*Sheetal Kumar*
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Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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From JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org  Tue Apr  9 12:24:42 2019
From: JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Jean_F=2E_Qu=C3=A9ralt?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 00:24:42 +0800
Subject: [bestbits] TIOF - TOR training at RightsCon.
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Dear all,

Adding to this, please note that there would also be an opportunity to
include a training on OONI in the same session.

Anyone interested please reach out privately to me so I can organize.

Thanks.

Best,
Jean



On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 7:04 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> During a session today at IFF with some TOR members I've proposed to
> consider a training on TOR for Civil Society since RightsCon was in their
> agenda.
>
> I'll probably meet them tomorrow and will raise this option again so I'd
> like to know how many of you, tentatively, would be interested in this.
>
> @Carolina & Nikki:
> Should this move forward, would it be possible to arrange for a space?
>
> @RiseUp: I am not familiar with your distribution list so I am not sure
> this is the right channel to address this proposal. I have decided to give
> it a try for considering that it's worth asking. Please advise if I should
> have proceeded differently.
>
> Best,
> Jean
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From katitza at eff.org  Tue Apr  9 16:43:10 2019
From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 13:43:10 -0700
Subject: [bestbits] Job Opportunity: International Policy Director
Message-ID: <b8af7f75-211b-e5fd-8d8c-91693068871f@eff.org>

Estimados:

We're really excited to be hiring for a new role within EFF -- an 
International Policy Director! You can read the job description here: 
https://eff.bamboohr.com/jobs/view.php?id=32

We’re looking to recruit someone with deep expertise in European Union 
lawmaking, global copyright law, and intermediary liability issues as 
well as substantive experience in management. This new role will help 
serve as a bridge between our international policy work and the larger 
EFF legal team. We would really appreciate any assistance you could 
offer in helping us get the word out about this new position - by 
posting it to coalition lists, sending it to friends you know, posting 
it on social media, and letting us know if there are any candidates 
you’d suggest.

Deadline to apply due April 23rd.

Come work with us. Thank you so much.

Best,

Katitza Rodriguez

International Rights Director

Electronic Frontier Foundation


From sheetal at gp-digital.org  Wed Apr 10 08:11:15 2019
From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:11:15 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
 Bestbits: next steps
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Dear all,

This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at 1
PM UTC (see the link below).

Looking forward to speaking to you then!

Best
Sheetal.

Meeting room details

*Meeting URL*
https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info

Meeting ID
524 189 381
Want to dial in from a phone?

Dial one of the following numbers:
+1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
+1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
(see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)

Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #

Connecting from a room system?
Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode

On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:

> Dear all
>
> As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on *Wednesday,
> April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
>
> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
> Meeting room details
>
> *Meeting URL*
> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>
> Meeting ID
> 524 189 381
> Want to dial in from a phone?
>
> Dial one of the following numbers:
> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>
> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>
> Connecting from a room system?
> Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>
> Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
> improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone relevant.
>
> Suggested agenda
> 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's happened
> so far
> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>
>
> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Akinremi,
>>
>> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants of
>> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
>> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is working,
>> then I do not have concerns.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>
>>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox is not
>>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net mailing-list.
>>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as to be
>>> able to help.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
>>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem. The
>>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
>>>> Governance lists please?
>>>>
>>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
>>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be limited to
>>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an independent
>>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group should cease
>>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>>>> to remain as it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the
>>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are referring to.
>>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy issue that
>>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
>>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization in the
>>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat remains.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
>>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
>>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
>>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
>>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
>>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
>>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
>>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
>>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
>>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
>>>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
>>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
>>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
>>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can,
>>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set
>>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
>>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
>>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they were available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
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>>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
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>
> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>
>

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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 08:25:50 2019
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:25:50 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits:
 next steps
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Dear Sivasubramanian,
(Apologies for cross-posting)
Although various people have pointed to the need for a common voice for
civil society in this arena it really seems that there is no longer an
appetite for the individual effort needed for a successful collaboration of
this type. I would be very happy to have this opinion drowned by a chorus
of voices proving me wrong, but I am not expecting to hear them.
So I wonder if we should be looking for a new means to and a new process
for collaboration?
Should this be included in the agenda under 2 - Concrete ways forward?
I don't have any real suggestions. I think that, more now than before, the
process depends on individuals being willing to make a commitment of time
energy and effort, and that this is happening in a context where the
general ethos has lost its encouragement of sharing and communal energy.
It needs to become possible again to perceive a common good. Should this
happen by painstakingly linking very small local initiatives, where the
"common good" is easy to see, rather than attempting things on a global
scale (which in fact is "top down")?
Hopefully the discussion on 9th will take us nearer to a solution.
Best wishes
Deirdre

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 16:41, Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
wrote:

> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only about 8
> respondents.
>
> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>> on the issues we work on.
>>
>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>> forward.
>>
>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be great
>> if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and set up a
>> room.
>>
>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>
>> *Suggested agenda*
>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>
>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>
>> Best
>> Sheetal.
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have attached
>>> the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included at the
>>> top in case useful.
>>>
>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half spent
>>> discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1 hour) and
>>> the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other key
>>> members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>
>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way to
>>> promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change the
>>> current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way forward
>>> which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible range of
>>> opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed, please do
>>> chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up call.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Sheetal.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great to
>>>> hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill out
>>>> the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
>>>> steps next week.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to those who
>>>>> have responded already.
>>>>>
>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can, by
>>>>> using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set of
>>>>> discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a survey
>>>>>> below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a call on
>>>>>> February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it was
>>>>>> agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to complete
>>>>>> the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please complete
>>>>>> the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any questions at all,
>>>>>> don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For those
>>>>>>> who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants and
>>>>>>> notes here:  https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and IGC
>>>>>>> have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives, particularly
>>>>>>> when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a survey to both
>>>>>>> lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward which were
>>>>>>> discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with the broader
>>>>>>> communities feed into a decision on the future of the platforms. The survey
>>>>>>> will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,  and your participation
>>>>>>> would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is this
>>>>>>>> coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full details
>>>>>>>> are included in my previous email and I've updated the etherpad
>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture> with those
>>>>>>>> planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time for
>>>>>>>>> the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full details of the
>>>>>>>>> call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward to
>>>>>>>>> speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will appear on
>>>>>>>>> the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the link with
>>>>>>>>> the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if you do not
>>>>>>>>> want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you call in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in each
>>>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing devices:
>>>>>>>>> pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and I've
>>>>>>>>> also added the names of those who indicated they were available for the
>>>>>>>>> call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the call
>>>>>>>>> without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea of
>>>>>>>>> numbers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and thanks
>>>>>>>>>> to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base again in
>>>>>>>>>> the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here provide
>>>>>>>>>> rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to set up a
>>>>>>>>>> conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to decide
>>>>>>>>>> next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we suggest
>>>>>>>>>> only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to some IGC
>>>>>>>>>> folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion only.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next week
>>>>>>>>>> (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a couple
>>>>>>>>>>> of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy are
>>>>>>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing information/discussing
>>>>>>>>>>> things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits separately, would merging
>>>>>>>>>>> the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done, what
>>>>>>>>>>> we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started IGC
>>>>>>>>>>> and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that we
>>>>>>>>>>> would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many of us
>>>>>>>>>>> also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with identifying
>>>>>>>>>>> volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and find a
>>>>>>>>>>> common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need to
>>>>>>>>>>> devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was constituted
>>>>>>>>>>>> and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had been
>>>>>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU WCIT
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action was
>>>>>>>>>>>> important,
>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and outside
>>>>>>>>>>>> of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven the
>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having hidden
>>>>>>>>>>>> agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding. So
>>>>>>>>>>>> whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and informal,
>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in us
>>>>>>>>>>>> investing
>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules and
>>>>>>>>>>>> processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could resuscitate
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i - -O -
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge"
>>>>>>>>>>> Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
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From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 08:29:35 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
 Bestbits: next steps
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Thanks for the reminder. I may be a bit late but my intention is to join you
De

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 08:11, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at 1
> PM UTC (see the link below).
>
> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
> Meeting room details
>
> *Meeting URL*
> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>
> Meeting ID
> 524 189 381
> Want to dial in from a phone?
>
> Dial one of the following numbers:
> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>
> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>
> Connecting from a room system?
> Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear all
>>
>> As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on *Wednesday,
>> April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
>>
>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>
>> Best
>> Sheetal.
>>
>> Meeting room details
>>
>> *Meeting URL*
>> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>
>> Meeting ID
>> 524 189 381
>> Want to dial in from a phone?
>>
>> Dial one of the following numbers:
>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>
>> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>
>> Connecting from a room system?
>> Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>
>> Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
>> improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone relevant.
>>
>> Suggested agenda
>> 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's
>> happened so far
>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Akinremi,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants of
>>> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
>>> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is working,
>>> then I do not have concerns.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox is not
>>>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net
>>>> mailing-list. Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do
>>>> so as to be able to help.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
>>>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem. The
>>>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
>>>>> Governance lists please?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
>>>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be limited to
>>>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an independent
>>>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group should cease
>>>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>>>>> to remain as it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the
>>>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are referring to.
>>>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy issue that
>>>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
>>>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization in the
>>>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat remains.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
>>>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>>>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>>>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>>>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>>>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>>>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
>>>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
>>>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>>>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
>>>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
>>>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
>>>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
>>>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
>>>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
>>>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
>>>>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
>>>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide
>>>>>>>>>> next steps next week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
>>>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you
>>>>>>>>>>> can, by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next
>>>>>>>>>>> set of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
>>>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
>>>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they were available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ITU WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in us investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>
>> *Sheetal Kumar*
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>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
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>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
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> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
report on the meeting.

Regards,

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen

On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at 1
> PM UTC (see the link below).
> 
> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> 
> Best
> Sheetal.
> 
> Meeting room details
> 
> *Meeting URL*
> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
> 
> Meeting ID
> 524 189 381
> Want to dial in from a phone?
> 
> Dial one of the following numbers:
> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
> 
> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
> 
> Connecting from a room system?
> Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
> 
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> 
> > Dear all
> >
> > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on *Wednesday,
> > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
> >
> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >
> > Best
> > Sheetal.
> >
> > Meeting room details
> >
> > *Meeting URL*
> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
> >
> > Meeting ID
> > 524 189 381
> > Want to dial in from a phone?
> >
> > Dial one of the following numbers:
> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
> >
> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
> >
> > Connecting from a room system?
> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
> >
> > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
> > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone relevant.
> >
> > Suggested agenda
> > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's happened
> > so far
> > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Dear Akinremi,
> >>
> >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants of
> >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
> >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is working,
> >> then I do not have concerns.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> >> twitter.com/shivaindia
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> >>>
> >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox is not
> >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net mailing-list.
> >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as to be
> >>> able to help.
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
> >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem. The
> >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
> >>>> Governance lists please?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
> >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be limited to
> >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an independent
> >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group should cease
> >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
> >>>>> to remain as it is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the
> >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are referring to.
> >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy issue that
> >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
> >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization in the
> >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat remains.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards.
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
> >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
> >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
> >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
> >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
> >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
> >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
> >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
> >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
> >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
> >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
> >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
> >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
> >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
> >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
> >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
> >>>>>>> forward.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
> >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
> >>>>>>> set up a room.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
> >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
> >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
> >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
> >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
> >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
> >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
> >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
> >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
> >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
> >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
> >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
> >>>>>>>> call.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
> >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
> >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
> >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
> >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can,
> >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set
> >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
> >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
> >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
> >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
> >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
> >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
> >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
> >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
> >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
> >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
> >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they were available for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> >>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
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> >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
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> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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> >>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
> >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
> >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
> >>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > *Sheetal Kumar*
> > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
> > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F
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From JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org  Thu Apr 11 08:33:41 2019
From: JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Jean_F=2E_Qu=C3=A9ralt?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 20:33:41 +0800
Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: [IRPCoalition] [AI-IoT-BD] Deadline EXTENDED to 14
 April for IGF 2019 Calls
In-Reply-To: <CAHR6so7ysv680BJfejrNLdX8bE0=KeCHd=91_-7U+wV20QYW9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR0701MB2367593A3264CEC70178E589F22E0@VI1PR0701MB2367.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAHR6so7ysv680BJfejrNLdX8bE0=KeCHd=91_-7U+wV20QYW9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACuyrh9-C1GH+zOg36RvkE2d8b_XDBCGyKMVSVEwAGbNV=R+CQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

Reading this email makes me wonder if we should not submit a request for a
Day 0 CS meeting?
It was my impression that Renata pulled out a last minute one in Paris and
now I am wondering if this time that would be a no-no?

Please share your opinion so we can react on time.

Thx.
Jean





---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: June Parris <parrisjune51 at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [IRPCoalition] [AI-IoT-BD] Deadline EXTENDED to 14 April for
IGF 2019 Calls
To: IRP <irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>,
mindamoreira at hotmail.com >> minda moreira <mindamoreira at hotmail.com>




On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:16, Eleonora Mazzucchi <eleonora.mazzucchi at un.org>
wrote:

> Dear Stakeholders,
>
> This is to inform you that the deadline for all IGF 2019 programme Calls
> listed below - including Workshops, Open Forums, DC Sessions, Day 0 Events
> and IGF Village Booths - has been EXTENDED to Sunday 14 April, 23:59 UTC
>
> Please do not hesitate to contact the Secretariat with any queries
> regarding submissions.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Eleonora
>
>
> From: Eleonora Mazzucchi
> Sent: Monday, 8 April, 2019 4:46 PM
> To: aiiotbd at intgovforum.org
> Subject: IGF 2019 Programme: Call for Workshops & More Open until Friday
> Importance: High
>
> Dear All,
>
> We would like to remind Stakeholders of the following OPEN Calls for the
> IGF 2019 Programme, with submissions accepted until Friday 12 April,
> midnight UTC:
>
> *** Call for WORKSHOP PROPOSALS <
> https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-call-for-workshop-proposals-0
> >
>
> *** Call for OPEN FORUMS <
> https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-call-for-open-forums>
> ***
>
> *** Call for DYNAMIC COALITION (DC) SESSIONS <
> https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-call-for-dynamic-coalition-dc-sessions
> >
>
> *** Call for PRE-EVENTS ('DAY 0' EVENTS) <
> https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-call-for-pre-events-day-0-events
> >
>
> *** Call for IGF VILLAGE BOOTHS <
> https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-village-call-for-booths
> >
>
> If there are questions on any of the above, please do not hesitate to
> contact the Secretariat!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Eleonora
> IGF Secretariat
>
>
>
>
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Advisory Group
Member | Internet Society, Barbados Chapter (ISOC BB) Facebook:
http://fb.com/ISOCBB
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From sheetal at gp-digital.org  Thu Apr 11 08:39:55 2019
From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:39:55 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: [IRPCoalition] [AI-IoT-BD] Deadline EXTENDED to
 14 April for IGF 2019 Calls
In-Reply-To: <CACuyrh9-C1GH+zOg36RvkE2d8b_XDBCGyKMVSVEwAGbNV=R+CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR0701MB2367593A3264CEC70178E589F22E0@VI1PR0701MB2367.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAHR6so7ysv680BJfejrNLdX8bE0=KeCHd=91_-7U+wV20QYW9g@mail.gmail.com> <CACuyrh9-C1GH+zOg36RvkE2d8b_XDBCGyKMVSVEwAGbNV=R+CQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK78muTpbh3t8KmeTnFox5i6z1xpNybsKHRQNvZp3z+5SJ0heQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Jean,

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I think it would be a good
idea to apply considering the discussions that have happened so far. I'd be
happy to work together with you and anyone else interested to pull
something together.

Best
Sheetal

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 13:34, Jean F. Quéralt <JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Reading this email makes me wonder if we should not submit a request for a
> Day 0 CS meeting?
> It was my impression that Renata pulled out a last minute one in Paris and
> now I am wondering if this time that would be a no-no?
>
> Please share your opinion so we can react on time.
>
> Thx.
> Jean
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: June Parris <parrisjune51 at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [IRPCoalition] [AI-IoT-BD] Deadline EXTENDED to 14 April for
> IGF 2019 Calls
> To: IRP <irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>,
> mindamoreira at hotmail.com >> minda moreira <mindamoreira at hotmail.com>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:16, Eleonora Mazzucchi <
> eleonora.mazzucchi at un.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Stakeholders,
>>
>> This is to inform you that the deadline for all IGF 2019 programme Calls
>> listed below - including Workshops, Open Forums, DC Sessions, Day 0 Events
>> and IGF Village Booths - has been EXTENDED to Sunday 14 April, 23:59 UTC
>>
>> Please do not hesitate to contact the Secretariat with any queries
>> regarding submissions.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Eleonora
>>
>>
>> From: Eleonora Mazzucchi
>> Sent: Monday, 8 April, 2019 4:46 PM
>> To: aiiotbd at intgovforum.org
>> Subject: IGF 2019 Programme: Call for Workshops & More Open until Friday
>> Importance: High
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> We would like to remind Stakeholders of the following OPEN Calls for the
>> IGF 2019 Programme, with submissions accepted until Friday 12 April,
>> midnight UTC:
>>
>> *** Call for WORKSHOP PROPOSALS <
>> https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-call-for-workshop-proposals-0
>> >
>>
>> *** Call for OPEN FORUMS <
>> https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-call-for-open-forums>
>> ***
>>
>> *** Call for DYNAMIC COALITION (DC) SESSIONS <
>> https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-call-for-dynamic-coalition-dc-sessions
>> >
>>
>> *** Call for PRE-EVENTS ('DAY 0' EVENTS) <
>> https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-call-for-pre-events-day-0-events
>> >
>>
>> *** Call for IGF VILLAGE BOOTHS <
>> https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-village-call-for-booths
>> >
>>
>> If there are questions on any of the above, please do not hesitate to
>> contact the Secretariat!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Eleonora
>> IGF Secretariat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Aiiotbd mailing list
>> Aiiotbd at intgovforum.org
>> To unsubscribe or manage your options please go to
>> http://intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/aiiotbd_intgovforum.org
>>
> --
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>
> Research Associate
> Member United Nations Internet Governance Forum (IGF)Multi-stakeholder
> Advisory Group
> Member | Internet Society, Barbados Chapter (ISOC BB) Facebook:
> http://fb.com/ISOCBB
> Member | Internet Society/UK Chapter
> Member| Internet Society South Africa
> Member|Women in ICT Community
> Member |Barbados Association of NGOs
> Committee Member/IRP Co-elition
> Member/Civicus
>
> _______________________________________________
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*Sheetal Kumar*
Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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From sheetal at gp-digital.org  Thu Apr 11 12:30:18 2019
From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:30:18 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of
 Bestbits: next steps
In-Reply-To: <20190410131012.GA17542@auk.tarvainen.info>
References: <CAK78muTTBfjEfrOYbJmz7Xba=dN8WUYh9vY5THAaEOxSiYyArQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK78muSRDGEO6ewCnOd4w9wc0KuqBpzZQzMwZF9VHLBficumuQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAGK4d0_tJJNGc7g4kETDgm+N=dRP6KmwXE=P--vefqvzRrw6YA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAGK4d08HVh+7xyHKnKeJeySSKT0wkhwzi0f+N7cyJcw64PtqdA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKsgsGwX5vUFre5KQZ240bj_XQ2cQV6tKEZ7p7b0TprieV1amg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK78muTmtSRJygjEWvLx5-WoGVGMAjAt8E5a8wX0y4ngvTXutw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAK78muRW0O0CuLhTuHTQaTFBee2enrkmXxoVqW445H=W7WU=JQ@mail.gmail.com>

 Dear all,

Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the recording
I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary at the
top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should
provide an overview of what we discussed:
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture


In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about civil
society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call
reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work
together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported
exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the
mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call
mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage
and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore,
we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.

We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC would be
helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the
limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put something
short together and then to share it with you for your feedback before
sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple proposal
to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants
to chime in with more information please do.

If you have any questions, please do let us know!

Best
Sheetal.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>
wrote:

> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
> report on the meeting.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at 1
> > PM UTC (see the link below).
> >
> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >
> > Best
> > Sheetal.
> >
> > Meeting room details
> >
> > *Meeting URL*
> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
> >
> > Meeting ID
> > 524 189 381
> > Want to dial in from a phone?
> >
> > Dial one of the following numbers:
> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
> >
> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
> >
> > Connecting from a room system?
> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
> >
> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all
> > >
> > > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on
> *Wednesday,
> > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
> > >
> > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> > >
> > > Best
> > > Sheetal.
> > >
> > > Meeting room details
> > >
> > > *Meeting URL*
> > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
> > >
> > > Meeting ID
> > > 524 189 381
> > > Want to dial in from a phone?
> > >
> > > Dial one of the following numbers:
> > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> > > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
> > >
> > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
> > >
> > > Connecting from a room system?
> > > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
> > >
> > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
> > > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone
> relevant.
> > >
> > > Suggested agenda
> > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's
> happened
> > > so far
> > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> > > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Dear Akinremi,
> > >>
> > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants
> of
> > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
> > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is working,
> > >> then I do not have concerns.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you.
> > >>
> > >> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy
> >
> > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox is
> not
> > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net
> mailing-list.
> > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as to
> be
> > >>> able to help.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards.
> > >>> Peter
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
> > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem.
> The
> > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
> > >>>> Governance lists please?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sivasubramanian M <
> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
> > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be
> limited to
> > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an
> independent
> > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group
> should cease
> > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group
> wants IGC
> > >>>>> to remain as it is.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the
> > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are
> referring to.
> > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy
> issue that
> > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
> > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization
> in the
> > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat
> remains.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards.
> > >>>>> Peter
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
> > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
> > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the
> poll
> > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the
> IGC list.
> > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits"
> rather than
> > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
> > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination,
> and I know
> > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The
> conversations have
> > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current
> situation
> > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
> > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society
> coordination
> > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which
> gathered a
> > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary
> report of
> > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was
> discussion
> > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that
> however, it
> > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a
> way
> > >>>>>>> forward.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would
> be
> > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the
> date and
> > >>>>>>> set up a room.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
> > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so
> far!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <
> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
> > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a
> summary included
> > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
> > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45
> minutes-1
> > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC
> founders and other
> > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call
> too.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a
> way
> > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
> > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding
> a way
> > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest
> possible
> > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how
> to proceed,
> > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a
> follow up
> > >>>>>>>> call.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <
> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be
> great
> > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you
> could fill
> > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much
> appreciated.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> > >>>>>>>>> <
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> > >>>>>>>>> <
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> > >>>>>>>>> <
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide
> next
> > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
> > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you
> can,
> > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into
> the next set
> > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> > >>>>>>>>>> <
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> > >>>>>>>>>> <
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> > >>>>>>>>>> <
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
> > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits.
> Following a
> > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as
> members of IGC, it
> > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views
> of all members.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
> > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to
> the summaries of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a
> timely way, please
> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
> > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday.
> For
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of
> participants
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December
> and the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits
> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their
> objectives,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to
> circulate a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four
> suggested ways forward
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that
> this survey with
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future
> of the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both
> lists shortly,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps
> is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The
> full
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated
> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <
> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best
> time
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking
> forward
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to
> record and share the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list.
> Please let us know if
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open
> mailing list if you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC
> lists,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
> faced in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
> lists/establishment
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as
> information sharing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
> decision
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they
> were available for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member
> you can join the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to
> have a vague idea
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and
> the relevant
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward.
> The discussions here
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has
> kindly offered to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues
> faced
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
> lists/establishment
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as
> information sharing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we
> also reach out to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and
> inform the discussion
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the
> conference room link
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have
> a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with
> what Nnenna and Jeremy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within
> IGC and Bestbits
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really
> improve participation?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be
> done,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who
> started
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions
> and perspectives, same
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely
> that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which
> many
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some
> difficulty with
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks
> for the group.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do
> that now or do we need
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering
> Committee
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it
> had
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012
> ITU
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint
> action
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had
> driven
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own
> funding.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability
> resulted in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that.
> But I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new
> nonprofit
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q
> -i
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> ____________________________________________________________
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize
> Economics, 1979
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
> 173B
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> 173B
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> > >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> E9E2
> > >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>
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From shahzad at bytesforall.pk  Fri Apr 12 09:02:38 2019
From: shahzad at bytesforall.pk (shahzad ahmad)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 18:02:38 +0500
Subject: [bestbits] Pakistan's Internet Landscape 2018 report launched today
Message-ID: <1A96F165-FC4D-42AA-99D2-55CEF9C921A5@bytesforall.pk>

Link to the Pakistan’s Internet Landscape 2018 Report: https://www.bytesforall.pk/sites/default/files/Internet%20Landscape%20Report%202018.pdf <https://www.bytesforall.pk/sites/default/files/Internet%20Landscape%20Report%202018.pdf>

Link to the launch  presentation: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ubkOtZiHhbf1_KZD5KaYpTucdvQWLbDID6r7ZcCQKaI/edit#slide=id.g561483efa1_0_1169 <https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ubkOtZiHhbf1_KZD5KaYpTucdvQWLbDID6r7ZcCQKaI/edit#slide=id.g561483efa1_0_1169>


Karachi/Islamabad, April 12, 2019: The annual Pakistan Internet Landscape report published by human rights and advocacy organization Bytes For All was launched today at the Pearl Continental Hotel in Karachi. The event included a panel discussion by experts including journalist and media researcher Jahanzaib Haque who authored the report; senior journalist and TV show host Zarrar Khuhro; Co-founder Women's Advancement Hub Aisha Sarwari and Human Rights Defender Marvi Sirmed.

The latest report highlights trends in local cyberspace related to key topics including internet access, censorship and privacy, cybercrime and hacking, child porn, blasphemy, fake news, e-commerce and fin-tech/branchless banking, among others.

The report notes that outside of the positive outlook in e-commerce and fin-tech/branchless banking, online developments across 2018 have seen a number of downward trends, with the state apparatus and its attempts to control the internet proving to be most troubling.

Bytes For All Chairperson of the Board Marvi Sirmed shared that, “Since the last edition of this report was published, Pakistan has faced far greater control over free expression, increased censorship, secrecy of public policy decision-making, and violation of fundamental freedoms of citizens.”

“This report not only maps the trends in existing usage of the internet by all these stakeholders, but also dilates upon the possibilities of further innovation to not only bolster freedom of information and expression, but also to provide insight as to how the state could improve governance and service delivery to people. This also carries valuable information for tech start-ups and digital innovation projects undertaken by social entrepreneurs,” Sirmed adds.

12 key findings of the 2018 report are:

1) Overall internet penetration continues to increase, bolstered largely by mobile phones with internet connections; a total of 62 million 3G/4G subscribers now form 29.55% of penetration.

2) The fundamental challenge of the urban-rural, socio-economic divide in terms of internet access remains in place.

3) Cellular network suspensions have continued in the name of security.

4) The state has made some effort to improve governance through the internet with particular strides by law enforcement agencies.

5) The possible addition of clauses specific to blasphemy in the already controversial Prevention of Electronic Crimes Act could result in serious harm both online and offline through misuse and abuse of the laws.

6) Some strides were made to curb child pornography, with awareness raised and an increasing number of arrests carried out. The extent to which this crime exists across the country is worrying however.

7) There were a number of large-scale hacks, including ride-hailing app Careem and Bank Islami, that exposed grave threats to data and privacy in Pakistan. The general elections also saw citizen data being shared widely for political purposes.

8) The state and/or other actors have continued surveillance of activists and journalists, resulting in intimidation and harassment.

9) Traditional media and associated journalists have found themselves to be the targets of intimidation, harassment, violence and even monetary losses, resulting in self censorship across all media, including online.

10) The elections saw all political parties compete fiercely to win votes through the online space. This also resulted in a large volume of hate speech and fake news targeting political opponents.

11) Due in large part to social media, and specifically WhatsApp and Facebook, fake news is an ever-growing challenge in the country.

12) Perhaps the biggest, and arguably most positive, developments were encouraging growth in the fin-tech/online banking and e-commerce front.

“Access to the Internet, Dangerous Speech, Cyber Armies and Data Protection will continue to be the major challenges for Pakistan’s Internet Landscape in the coming year” says Shahzad Ahmad, Country Director of Bytes For All, Pakistan.

In summary, Haque shares that, “Despite taking a few steps forward, at the macro-level the country remains without a cohesive, progressive and all-encompassing approach to the internet and the implications of living in a digitized world.”

—END—



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From alex.comninos at gmail.com  Fri Apr 12 12:17:43 2019
From: alex.comninos at gmail.com (Alex Comninos)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 18:17:43 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] We need your input: Survey on "Putting cybersecurity on
 the rights track"
Message-ID: <744102A3-D647-4A47-B580-447353D14CB9@gmail.com>

Dear All, 

APC is implementing a small exploratory project “Putting cybersecurity on the rights track” with the support of Mozilla. The goal of the project is to help APC develop a research and advocacy strategy to make sure that cybersecurity, policy and norms are influenced by civil society and progressive techie voices so that these policies consistently integrate a rights-based approach.

To develop this longer term strategy and larger project plan we need APC members and partners to tell us what they see as critical issues, needs, and opportunities - at national, regional and global levels.

To get your input we have developed a survey to help APC map the cybersecurity ecosystem in order to:
* establish who the key actors and institutions are
* where critical cybersecurity decisions are being made at global, regional, and national levels
* identify opportunities to advance human rights-based approaches to cybersecurity
* identify cybersecurity-related threats to human rights
* help identify cybersecurity-related issues and concepts for which resources (explainers, briefings, etc.) would be valuable
* investigate where APC should focus its further work in the area, including research
This survey should take around 30-35 minutes. We sincerely appreciate your participation by next Wednesday, April 17.

You will find it here. https://limesurvey.apc.org/index.php/984143?lang=en
Please send questions to Alex or Mehar at alex.comninos at gmail.com or mehar at apc.org

Thanks and looking forward to hearing from you!

"Putting cybersecurity on the rights track" project team
Anriette Esterhuysen; Deborah Brown; Alex Comninos (researche consultant) and Mehar Gujral (policy analyst intern)
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From 6.internet at gmail.com  Sun Apr 14 15:22:03 2019
From: 6.internet at gmail.com (sivasubramanian muthusamy)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 00:52:03 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a
 balance in Internet Governance Policy positions?
Message-ID: <CAKsgsGyr1aLXme7LiznWqVfz-FcUuLfWyJwAQOg1V9da5C-Jfw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,


With a few hours remaining for submission of the 2019 workshops, I intend
to propose a workshop.  Looking for support from IGC, Besbits and APC, some
quick suggestions to improve the text, and more importantly, for
suggestions of speakers who have a good understanding of the history of
Civil Society in IG.

Kindly respond ASAP.

title
"Is the Civil Society doing enough?"
policy question
"Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet
Governance Policy positions?"
relevance to the theme:
Though proposed under "Digital Inclusion", it is a workshop across the
three themes, and of relevance to the overall design of the
multi-stakeholder model of Internet Governance.
relevance to Internet Governance:
When broadly classified, Civil Society is one of the three stakeholders in
Internet Governance. Since WSIS 2005, Civil Society has played a
constructive role to bring about a balance in Internet Governance debates.
However, a certain degree of imbalance persists as the other stakeholder
groups tend to steer policy a little more than proportionately towards
their own respective positions. Governments around the world draft
legislative directives some of which the Civil Society find undesirable. In
some instances, Civil Society positions remarkably differed from that of
Government, the proposed Acts such as SOPA or PIPA or Directives were
withdrawn, only to be reintroduced and confirmed by some other title or
form. Business responds to Civil Society positions, for instance, on
Privacy issues, but many of the concerns of Civil Society are not
adequately addressed. It could be stated that the other stakeholder groups
prevail more than proportionately over Civil Society, in matters related to
Internet Governance. This prompts the question, "Is the Civil Society
participating enough? Is the Civil Society doing enough?"

If not enough, what needs to be done? In Internet Governance, the formal
title as "Civil Society" is shared by a somewhat loose collaboration
between Internet Governance participants who took up the Civil Society role
since WSIS 2005, other early CS participants in the IGF, organizations that
pursue issues in public interest including Privacy organizations, Freedom
foundations etc, and also organizations such as some Internet Society
Chapters, ICANN AtLarge, ICANN Non Commercial Stakeholder Group etc, who
partake in Civil Society positions in their own way.

If the Civil society is not doing enough, is it because it requires greater
interaction among those who pursue Civil Society positions in the IGF? How
would Civil Society strengthen itself? Would it also look for Civil Society
participation from beyond the IGF arena to bring in newer Civil Society
participants to the IGF?

These are some, and not all, questions that follow the questions in the
title.

Workshop session description:
The session would revolve around the Title Questions, "Is the Civil Society
doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet Governance Policy
positions?" to bring up supplementary questions, and in the process
identify its strengths and weaknesses to identify solutions towards
strengthening itself for a balance.


Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
twitter.com/shivaindia
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From 6.internet at gmail.com  Sun Apr 14 19:57:48 2019
From: 6.internet at gmail.com (sivasubramanian muthusamy)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 05:27:48 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] A Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual by
 submission deadline.
Message-ID: <CAKsgsGz+9akanHubgxbjVqT-3MGMHJ02-ULuE=PuUQBYR0Pu+A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

Sharing a Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual, to be
amended/expanded if useful, and to be owned and organized by the Civil
Society, if there is support to the idea of a Day 0 CS event, if not
proposed already.

Title of the Event: Civil Society Reunion

Short Description of the Event: Proposed as an event to be passed on to be
'owned' by a small group of lead-participants from Civil Society, to be
identified. This is a preliminary request, subject to reaffirmation by a
team
of organizers to be formed, as a event that would a reunion of Civil Society
participants, mostly from within the IGF space, some to be invited from
Civil
Society without. Proposal to be expanded, and if approved as an expanded
proposal, to be organized with a request to the IGF for a meeting space with
good conferencing facilities, preferably in the IGF venue, with Internet for
remote participation, Coffee and lunch or boxed lunch for 300-500
participants, either as direct/in-kind funding from the IGF, or by way of
the
IGF's assistance in securing the required funding, which may be around
$10,000 euros. The event would be organized, tentatively, as a Round Table
discussion on the topic "Stakeholder balance in Internet Governance for
innovation in Business and effectiveness in Governance” Discussion to be
led by discussion leaders from across stakeholder groups, with a
geographical
and gender balance.

Estimated Number of Participants Expected to Attend: 300

Requested Duration for the Event (*Cannot be guaranteed): 5 hours.

Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
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From jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org  Sun Apr 14 20:14:37 2019
From: jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org (=?UTF-8?B?SmVhbiBGLiBRdcOpcmFsdA==?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 08:14:37 +0800
Subject: [bestbits] A Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual
 by submission deadline.
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgsGz+9akanHubgxbjVqT-3MGMHJ02-ULuE=PuUQBYR0Pu+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgsGz+9akanHubgxbjVqT-3MGMHJ02-ULuE=PuUQBYR0Pu+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16a1e5879e0.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org>

Hello, Siva.

Sheetal did submit a request yesterday for a similar initiative although in 
another format (different assistance expectation, etc).
I'd argue that the more petitions we submit the more chances we have to get 
it accepted. Maybe the selection process will merge both.

Sent it asap before the deadline. If need be, you can use me as "dummy" for 
the list of speakers and then we figure out who to actually onboard if it 
gets shortlisted.
(I'm not the right person to be in the final list)

Cheers.
Jean






On April 15, 2019 07:58:10 sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> Hello
>
>
> Sharing a Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual, to be 
> amended/expanded if useful, and to be owned and organized by the Civil 
> Society, if there is support to the idea of a Day 0 CS event, if not 
> proposed already.
>
>
>
> Title of the Event: Civil Society Reunion
>
> Short Description of the Event: Proposed as an event to be passed on to be
> 'owned' by a small group of lead-participants from Civil Society, to be
> identified. This is a preliminary request, subject to reaffirmation by a team
> of organizers to be formed, as a event that would a reunion of Civil Society
> participants, mostly from within the IGF space, some to be invited from Civil
> Society without. Proposal to be expanded, and if approved as an expanded
> proposal, to be organized with a request to the IGF for a meeting space with
> good conferencing facilities, preferably in the IGF venue, with Internet for
> remote participation, Coffee and lunch or boxed lunch for 300-500
> participants, either as direct/in-kind funding from the IGF, or by way of the
> IGF's assistance in securing the required funding, which may be around
> $10,000 euros. The event would be organized, tentatively, as a Round Table
> discussion on the topic "Stakeholder balance in Internet Governance for
> innovation in Business and effectiveness in Governance” Discussion to be
> led by discussion leaders from across stakeholder groups, with a geographical
> and gender balance.
>
> Estimated Number of Participants Expected to Attend: 300
>
> Requested Duration for the Event (*Cannot be guaranteed): 5 hours.
>
>
>
> Sivasubramanian M
> twitter.com/shivaindia
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From sylvia at apnic.net  Mon Apr  1 19:41:54 2019
From: sylvia at apnic.net (Sylvia Cadena)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 23:41:54 +0000
Subject: [bestbits] 2019 ISIF Asia Grants and Awards applications open
Message-ID: <3859AC7D-C4EF-4613-ACBF-E7C6327CF6A7@apnic.net>

*Apologies for cross posting*

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The ISIF Asia call for grant proposals and award nominations opened yesterday. Your help to spread the word among your friends, colleagues and partners interested in operational research with a security focus and power solutions for Internet infrastructure will be really appreciated.

Regards,

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From 6.Internet at gmail.com  Sun Apr 14 20:25:29 2019
From: 6.Internet at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 05:55:29 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] A Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual
 by submission deadline.
In-Reply-To: <16a1e5879e0.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org>
References: <CAKsgsGz+9akanHubgxbjVqT-3MGMHJ02-ULuE=PuUQBYR0Pu+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <16a1e5879e0.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org>
Message-ID: <CAHyAo0G_eCYruZTapBVcB7_tmVWYb1jyJq2f8fJ2cmtW-Y9r7A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Jean,

Wasn't aware of Sheetal's proposal, and couldn't wait to verify if there
has been a submission already.  It occurred to me to write a proposal as
late as minutes to the deadline. As you suggest, more than one proposal
increases the chances of a slot for a Day0 event.

Day0 proposal does not require speakers to be identified.  So I have not
mentioned any names as speakers. We could add names if the discussion
progresses.



On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:44 AM Jean F. Quéralt <jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org>
wrote:

> Hello, Siva.
>
> Sheetal did submit a request yesterday for a similar initiative although
> in another format (different assistance expectation, etc).
> I'd argue that the more petitions we submit the more chances we have to
> get it accepted. Maybe the selection process will merge both.
>
> Sent it asap before the deadline. If need be, you can use me as "dummy"
> for the list of speakers and then we figure out who to actually onboard if
> it gets shortlisted.
> (I'm not the right person to be in the final list)
>
> Cheers.
> Jean
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On April 15, 2019 07:58:10 sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> Sharing a Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual, to be
>> amended/expanded if useful, and to be owned and organized by the Civil
>> Society, if there is support to the idea of a Day 0 CS event, if not
>> proposed already.
>>
>> Title of the Event: Civil Society Reunion
>>
>> Short Description of the Event: Proposed as an event to be passed on to be
>> 'owned' by a small group of lead-participants from Civil Society, to be
>> identified. This is a preliminary request, subject to reaffirmation by a
>> team
>> of organizers to be formed, as a event that would a reunion of Civil
>> Society
>> participants, mostly from within the IGF space, some to be invited from
>> Civil
>> Society without. Proposal to be expanded, and if approved as an expanded
>> proposal, to be organized with a request to the IGF for a meeting space
>> with
>> good conferencing facilities, preferably in the IGF venue, with Internet
>> for
>> remote participation, Coffee and lunch or boxed lunch for 300-500
>> participants, either as direct/in-kind funding from the IGF, or by way of
>> the
>> IGF's assistance in securing the required funding, which may be around
>> $10,000 euros. The event would be organized, tentatively, as a Round Table
>> discussion on the topic "Stakeholder balance in Internet Governance for
>> innovation in Business and effectiveness in Governance” Discussion to be
>> led by discussion leaders from across stakeholder groups, with a
>> geographical
>> and gender balance.
>>
>> Estimated Number of Participants Expected to Attend: 300
>>
>> Requested Duration for the Event (*Cannot be guaranteed): 5 hours.
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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From alex.comninos at gmail.com  Sun Apr 14 20:41:29 2019
From: alex.comninos at gmail.com (Alex Comninos)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 02:41:29 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] IGF BPF on IoT, Big Data and AI Virtual Meeting Today,
 15 April 12:00 UTC
Message-ID: <1FBB7C0D-FBF8-4D5C-9826-D8D3193329E0@gmail.com>

Dear All,

Apologies for cross-posting:  

I would like to urge you all to take part in the Internet Governance Forum (AI) Best Practice Forum (BPF) on AI, Big Data and Internet of Things Virtual Meeting (webinar) today the 15th of April at 12:00 UTC.

The Virtual Meeting link is https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/j.php?MTID=m8018d13f801dfcb5ef0ce3eb64d18ef9

We would love to multistakeholderise participation from diverse communities outside of the traditional IGF community.

If you have no ideas what a BPF is or what the IGF is - thats completely understandable, and we aim to rectify that!

More info can be found here https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/bpf-internet-of-things-iot-big-data-and-artificial-intelligence-ai

The 2019 edition of the Best Practice Forum on IoT, Big Data and AI will focus on trust in these concepts and their utilization for addressing identified societal challenges. 
Within the IGF’s remit, the BPF intends to continue to limit its scope to the growing area where IoT, Big Data and AI meet in an Internet context. Building on this BPF’s 2018 work as a starting point, the BPF proposes for 2019 to:
* Challenge and review the identified best practices and complete the report with concrete and practical examples. (e.g. in the field of healthcare, environmental protection, e-commerce, public safety, cybersecurity, and infrastructure;
* Identify existing and new ways to enhance trust in IoT, Big Data, AI applications and technologies in an Internet context;
* Identify how AI can affect outcomes both in terms of social justice and in terms of the allocation of societal resources;
* Identify how AI can complement or pose challenges to privacy and data protection as well as transparency and good governance;
* Identify how IoT, Big Data, AI can contribute to achieving the UN SDGs and 
* Identify the impact on policies and regulations, including policy making processes of the application of IoT, Big Data, AI applications.

The Virtual Meeting will require WebEX software which can be downloaded at https://www.webex.com/downloads.html. It should work on all Desktops (Mac, Windows, and Linux with some luck) as well as on mobile phones. One should also be able to phone into the meeting with a phone and the info provided here: https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/j.php?MTID=m8018d13f801dfcb5ef0ce3eb64d18ef9.

If any of you have any questions about what the IGF is, what BPFs are, or how to use WebEx, please do not hesitate to contact me. 

Best,
Alex

From jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org  Sun Apr 14 20:55:29 2019
From: jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org (=?UTF-8?B?SmVhbiBGLiBRdcOpcmFsdA==?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 08:55:29 +0800
Subject: [bestbits] A Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual
 by submission deadline.
In-Reply-To: <CAHyAo0G_eCYruZTapBVcB7_tmVWYb1jyJq2f8fJ2cmtW-Y9r7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgsGz+9akanHubgxbjVqT-3MGMHJ02-ULuE=PuUQBYR0Pu+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <16a1e5879e0.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org>
 <CAHyAo0G_eCYruZTapBVcB7_tmVWYb1jyJq2f8fJ2cmtW-Y9r7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16a1e7de7e8.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org>

Great. Thx a lot for the initiative :-)

I'm thinking of ways to bring some orgs from Malaysia and Philippines. Been 
discussing options with my colleagues. I'll contact some potential funders 
to assist them if our petitions get approved to seek for more participation 
of CS in such events.

Cheers
Jean


On April 15, 2019 08:25:42 Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Jean,
>
>
> Wasn't aware of Sheetal's proposal, and couldn't wait to verify if there 
> has been a submission already.  It occurred to me to write a proposal as 
> late as minutes to the deadline. As you suggest, more than one proposal 
> increases the chances of a slot for a Day0 event.
>
>
> Day0 proposal does not require speakers to be identified.  So I have not 
> mentioned any names as speakers. We could add names if the discussion 
> progresses.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:44 AM Jean F. Quéralt 
> <jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>
> Hello, Siva.
>
> Sheetal did submit a request yesterday for a similar initiative although in 
> another format (different assistance expectation, etc).
> I'd argue that the more petitions we submit the more chances we have to get 
> it accepted. Maybe the selection process will merge both.
>
> Sent it asap before the deadline. If need be, you can use me as "dummy" for 
> the list of speakers and then we figure out who to actually onboard if it 
> gets shortlisted.
> (I'm not the right person to be in the final list)
>
> Cheers.
> Jean
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On April 15, 2019 07:58:10 sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>>
>> Sharing a Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual, to be 
>> amended/expanded if useful, and to be owned and organized by the Civil 
>> Society, if there is support to the idea of a Day 0 CS event, if not 
>> proposed already.
>>
>>
>>
>> Title of the Event: Civil Society Reunion
>>
>> Short Description of the Event: Proposed as an event to be passed on to be
>> 'owned' by a small group of lead-participants from Civil Society, to be
>> identified. This is a preliminary request, subject to reaffirmation by a team
>> of organizers to be formed, as a event that would a reunion of Civil Society
>> participants, mostly from within the IGF space, some to be invited from Civil
>> Society without. Proposal to be expanded, and if approved as an expanded
>> proposal, to be organized with a request to the IGF for a meeting space with
>> good conferencing facilities, preferably in the IGF venue, with Internet for
>> remote participation, Coffee and lunch or boxed lunch for 300-500
>> participants, either as direct/in-kind funding from the IGF, or by way of the
>> IGF's assistance in securing the required funding, which may be around
>> $10,000 euros. The event would be organized, tentatively, as a Round Table
>> discussion on the topic "Stakeholder balance in Internet Governance for
>> innovation in Business and effectiveness in Governance” Discussion to be
>> led by discussion leaders from across stakeholder groups, with a geographical
>> and gender balance.
>>
>> Estimated Number of Participants Expected to Attend: 300
>>
>> Requested Duration for the Event (*Cannot be guaranteed): 5 hours.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M
>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>     bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
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From 6.Internet at gmail.com  Mon Apr 15 04:03:07 2019
From: 6.Internet at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:33:07 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] A Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual
 by submission deadline.
In-Reply-To: <16a1e7de7e8.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org>
References: <CAKsgsGz+9akanHubgxbjVqT-3MGMHJ02-ULuE=PuUQBYR0Pu+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <16a1e5879e0.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org>
 <CAHyAo0G_eCYruZTapBVcB7_tmVWYb1jyJq2f8fJ2cmtW-Y9r7A@mail.gmail.com> <16a1e7de7e8.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org>
Message-ID: <CAHyAo0ERCkNjzQJnno0xgKOMXhHq8NzQPva4XbS0+yYSRJxHKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Jean, Sheetal,

Taking your idea of inviting CS organizations from Malaysia and Philippines
(what are their names?) further, why not also work on inviting some of the
constructive CS organizations from within the host country with help from
the host, also from France? Why not seek participation from Mozilla, EFF
and other organizations that pay attention to global issues? What are the
global CS organizations who could bring significant value to the IGF?

Sivasubramanian M

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 6:25 AM Jean F. Quéralt <jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org>
wrote:

> Great. Thx a lot for the initiative :-)
>
> I'm thinking of ways to bring some orgs from Malaysia and Philippines.
> Been discussing options with my colleagues. I'll contact some potential
> funders to assist them if our petitions get approved to seek for more
> participation of CS in such events.
>
> Cheers
> Jean
>
>
> On April 15, 2019 08:25:42 Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Jean,
>>
>> Wasn't aware of Sheetal's proposal, and couldn't wait to verify if there
>> has been a submission already.  It occurred to me to write a proposal as
>> late as minutes to the deadline. As you suggest, more than one proposal
>> increases the chances of a slot for a Day0 event.
>>
>> Day0 proposal does not require speakers to be identified.  So I have not
>> mentioned any names as speakers. We could add names if the discussion
>> progresses.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:44 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
>> jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, Siva.
>>>
>>> Sheetal did submit a request yesterday for a similar initiative although
>>> in another format (different assistance expectation, etc).
>>> I'd argue that the more petitions we submit the more chances we have to
>>> get it accepted. Maybe the selection process will merge both.
>>>
>>> Sent it asap before the deadline. If need be, you can use me as "dummy"
>>> for the list of speakers and then we figure out who to actually onboard if
>>> it gets shortlisted.
>>> (I'm not the right person to be in the final list)
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>> Jean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On April 15, 2019 07:58:10 sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> Sharing a Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual, to be
>>>> amended/expanded if useful, and to be owned and organized by the Civil
>>>> Society, if there is support to the idea of a Day 0 CS event, if not
>>>> proposed already.
>>>>
>>>> Title of the Event: Civil Society Reunion
>>>>
>>>> Short Description of the Event: Proposed as an event to be passed on to
>>>> be
>>>> 'owned' by a small group of lead-participants from Civil Society, to be
>>>> identified. This is a preliminary request, subject to reaffirmation by
>>>> a team
>>>> of organizers to be formed, as a event that would a reunion of Civil
>>>> Society
>>>> participants, mostly from within the IGF space, some to be invited from
>>>> Civil
>>>> Society without. Proposal to be expanded, and if approved as an expanded
>>>> proposal, to be organized with a request to the IGF for a meeting space
>>>> with
>>>> good conferencing facilities, preferably in the IGF venue, with
>>>> Internet for
>>>> remote participation, Coffee and lunch or boxed lunch for 300-500
>>>> participants, either as direct/in-kind funding from the IGF, or by way
>>>> of the
>>>> IGF's assistance in securing the required funding, which may be around
>>>> $10,000 euros. The event would be organized, tentatively, as a Round
>>>> Table
>>>> discussion on the topic "Stakeholder balance in Internet Governance for
>>>> innovation in Business and effectiveness in Governance” Discussion to be
>>>> led by discussion leaders from across stakeholder groups, with a
>>>> geographical
>>>> and gender balance.
>>>>
>>>> Estimated Number of Participants Expected to Attend: 300
>>>>
>>>> Requested Duration for the Event (*Cannot be guaranteed): 5 hours.
>>>>
>>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>
>>>
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From JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org  Mon Apr 15 04:32:54 2019
From: JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Jean_F=2E_Qu=C3=A9ralt?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 16:32:54 +0800
Subject: [bestbits] A Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual
 by submission deadline.
In-Reply-To: <CAHyAo0ERCkNjzQJnno0xgKOMXhHq8NzQPva4XbS0+yYSRJxHKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgsGz+9akanHubgxbjVqT-3MGMHJ02-ULuE=PuUQBYR0Pu+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <16a1e5879e0.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org>
 <CAHyAo0G_eCYruZTapBVcB7_tmVWYb1jyJq2f8fJ2cmtW-Y9r7A@mail.gmail.com>
 <16a1e7de7e8.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org> <CAHyAo0ERCkNjzQJnno0xgKOMXhHq8NzQPva4XbS0+yYSRJxHKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACuyrh_MAY_Ozn1793cq2PMecNp0N-8iYHnNqTYg=2ynG=Yb3g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Siva,

My comment comes from a very simple reality: I am new in the space and my
connections and options to involve other organizations is mostly in those
two countries. I may be able to facilitate to increase their presence while
I doubt I can do much for other regions at the moment.

By all means, I would hope that other people do the same in the areas where
they can have some positive participation outcomes. I do not have the
proper contacts with EFF, Mozilla and other relevant stakeholders. I wish I
did. I am talking with many other organizations in the past weeks to
encourage them to join the conversation and to attempt some level of
organization.

As for Germany, yes we should and I have started doing my own list based on
our contacts.

I was just wondering about where could we be putting all this info (agenda,
who are the orgs we are approaching, etc) in a centralized place (an
etherpad or G Docs).
That could be a way to coordinate that. We identify organizations and ask
for people to pick up those they have contact with or refer us so that we
can manage the engagement.
(This point -the information- leads back to something I've been proposing
around: we need a global CRM for CS - More on this as we move on)

Best,
Jean




On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 4:03 PM Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Jean, Sheetal,
>
> Taking your idea of inviting CS organizations from Malaysia and
> Philippines (what are their names?) further, why not also work on inviting
> some of the constructive CS organizations from within the host country with
> help from the host, also from France? Why not seek participation from
> Mozilla, EFF and other organizations that pay attention to global issues?
> What are the global CS organizations who could bring significant value to
> the IGF?
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 6:25 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
> jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Great. Thx a lot for the initiative :-)
>>
>> I'm thinking of ways to bring some orgs from Malaysia and Philippines.
>> Been discussing options with my colleagues. I'll contact some potential
>> funders to assist them if our petitions get approved to seek for more
>> participation of CS in such events.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jean
>>
>>
>> On April 15, 2019 08:25:42 Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jean,
>>>
>>> Wasn't aware of Sheetal's proposal, and couldn't wait to verify if there
>>> has been a submission already.  It occurred to me to write a proposal as
>>> late as minutes to the deadline. As you suggest, more than one proposal
>>> increases the chances of a slot for a Day0 event.
>>>
>>> Day0 proposal does not require speakers to be identified.  So I have not
>>> mentioned any names as speakers. We could add names if the discussion
>>> progresses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:44 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
>>> jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello, Siva.
>>>>
>>>> Sheetal did submit a request yesterday for a similar initiative
>>>> although in another format (different assistance expectation, etc).
>>>> I'd argue that the more petitions we submit the more chances we have to
>>>> get it accepted. Maybe the selection process will merge both.
>>>>
>>>> Sent it asap before the deadline. If need be, you can use me as "dummy"
>>>> for the list of speakers and then we figure out who to actually onboard if
>>>> it gets shortlisted.
>>>> (I'm not the right person to be in the final list)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>> Jean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On April 15, 2019 07:58:10 sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello
>>>>>
>>>>> Sharing a Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual, to be
>>>>> amended/expanded if useful, and to be owned and organized by the Civil
>>>>> Society, if there is support to the idea of a Day 0 CS event, if not
>>>>> proposed already.
>>>>>
>>>>> Title of the Event: Civil Society Reunion
>>>>>
>>>>> Short Description of the Event: Proposed as an event to be passed on
>>>>> to be
>>>>> 'owned' by a small group of lead-participants from Civil Society, to be
>>>>> identified. This is a preliminary request, subject to reaffirmation by
>>>>> a team
>>>>> of organizers to be formed, as a event that would a reunion of Civil
>>>>> Society
>>>>> participants, mostly from within the IGF space, some to be invited
>>>>> from Civil
>>>>> Society without. Proposal to be expanded, and if approved as an
>>>>> expanded
>>>>> proposal, to be organized with a request to the IGF for a meeting
>>>>> space with
>>>>> good conferencing facilities, preferably in the IGF venue, with
>>>>> Internet for
>>>>> remote participation, Coffee and lunch or boxed lunch for 300-500
>>>>> participants, either as direct/in-kind funding from the IGF, or by way
>>>>> of the
>>>>> IGF's assistance in securing the required funding, which may be around
>>>>> $10,000 euros. The event would be organized, tentatively, as a Round
>>>>> Table
>>>>> discussion on the topic "Stakeholder balance in Internet Governance for
>>>>> innovation in Business and effectiveness in Governance” Discussion to
>>>>> be
>>>>> led by discussion leaders from across stakeholder groups, with a
>>>>> geographical
>>>>> and gender balance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Estimated Number of Participants Expected to Attend: 300
>>>>>
>>>>> Requested Duration for the Event (*Cannot be guaranteed): 5 hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>
>>>>
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From nikki at accessnow.org  Mon Apr 15 07:50:01 2019
From: nikki at accessnow.org (Nikki Gladstone)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:50:01 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] TIOF - TOR training at RightsCon.
In-Reply-To: <CACuyrh9bx5=C5mFEmeDEmayUe4Q54uGZiBnNVCtSwimgYTe-yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACuyrh-B3reWkk0HdoNnTH_P6Cv78dDZmzBJhF_zPjVA-OtLCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACuyrh9bx5=C5mFEmeDEmayUe4Q54uGZiBnNVCtSwimgYTe-yg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANOZTeboPJdmS4LquKDKnZz8-4iYvWKp3ovW-kv1YD3XYnP7rw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jean,

Thanks for looping us in! This sounds really interesting.

Happy to chat with you about the potential for this meeting and providing
space at RightsCon off list. It would be great to get a sense from you of
the size and amount of time the session would need.

Best,
Nikki

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 5:25 PM Jean F. Quéralt <
JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Adding to this, please note that there would also be an opportunity to
> include a training on OONI in the same session.
>
> Anyone interested please reach out privately to me so I can organize.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best,
> Jean
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 7:04 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
> JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> During a session today at IFF with some TOR members I've proposed to
>> consider a training on TOR for Civil Society since RightsCon was in their
>> agenda.
>>
>> I'll probably meet them tomorrow and will raise this option again so I'd
>> like to know how many of you, tentatively, would be interested in this.
>>
>> @Carolina & Nikki:
>> Should this move forward, would it be possible to arrange for a space?
>>
>> @RiseUp: I am not familiar with your distribution list so I am not sure
>> this is the right channel to address this proposal. I have decided to give
>> it a try for considering that it's worth asking. Please advise if I should
>> have proceeded differently.
>>
>> Best,
>> Jean
>>
>

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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Mon Apr 15 00:30:16 2019
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 00:30:16 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a
 balance in Internet Governance Policy positions?
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgsGyr1aLXme7LiznWqVfz-FcUuLfWyJwAQOg1V9da5C-Jfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgsGyr1aLXme7LiznWqVfz-FcUuLfWyJwAQOg1V9da5C-Jfw@mail.gmail.com>
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 Dear Siva,
I think this is an excellent idea, but it seems to me that it is also a
topic for a discussion that can go on now, without waiting for the IGF. In
fact an effective discussion between now and November could culminate in a
really effective workshop?
One thing among many others that presents a need for clarification is an
understanding of who/what IS the civil society that should be considering
these issues.
Experience suggests that the more voices that can be harnessed together
with a common understanding of a common goal the more likely it is that
that goal will be achieved BUT "a common understanding of a common goal" is
not an easy thing to find.
Good luck and best wishes
Deirdre

On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 15:22, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> With a few hours remaining for submission of the 2019 workshops, I intend
> to propose a workshop.  Looking for support from IGC, Besbits and APC, some
> quick suggestions to improve the text, and more importantly, for
> suggestions of speakers who have a good understanding of the history of
> Civil Society in IG.
>
> Kindly respond ASAP.
>
> title
> "Is the Civil Society doing enough?"
> policy question
> "Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet
> Governance Policy positions?"
> relevance to the theme:
> Though proposed under "Digital Inclusion", it is a workshop across the
> three themes, and of relevance to the overall design of the
> multi-stakeholder model of Internet Governance.
> relevance to Internet Governance:
> When broadly classified, Civil Society is one of the three stakeholders in
> Internet Governance. Since WSIS 2005, Civil Society has played a
> constructive role to bring about a balance in Internet Governance debates.
> However, a certain degree of imbalance persists as the other stakeholder
> groups tend to steer policy a little more than proportionately towards
> their own respective positions. Governments around the world draft
> legislative directives some of which the Civil Society find undesirable. In
> some instances, Civil Society positions remarkably differed from that of
> Government, the proposed Acts such as SOPA or PIPA or Directives were
> withdrawn, only to be reintroduced and confirmed by some other title or
> form. Business responds to Civil Society positions, for instance, on
> Privacy issues, but many of the concerns of Civil Society are not
> adequately addressed. It could be stated that the other stakeholder groups
> prevail more than proportionately over Civil Society, in matters related to
> Internet Governance. This prompts the question, "Is the Civil Society
> participating enough? Is the Civil Society doing enough?"
>
> If not enough, what needs to be done? In Internet Governance, the formal
> title as "Civil Society" is shared by a somewhat loose collaboration
> between Internet Governance participants who took up the Civil Society role
> since WSIS 2005, other early CS participants in the IGF, organizations that
> pursue issues in public interest including Privacy organizations, Freedom
> foundations etc, and also organizations such as some Internet Society
> Chapters, ICANN AtLarge, ICANN Non Commercial Stakeholder Group etc, who
> partake in Civil Society positions in their own way.
>
> If the Civil society is not doing enough, is it because it requires
> greater interaction among those who pursue Civil Society positions in the
> IGF? How would Civil Society strengthen itself? Would it also look for
> Civil Society participation from beyond the IGF arena to bring in newer
> Civil Society participants to the IGF?
>
> These are some, and not all, questions that follow the questions in the
> title.
>
> Workshop session description:
> The session would revolve around the Title Questions, "Is the Civil
> Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet Governance Policy
> positions?" to bring up supplementary questions, and in the process
> identify its strengths and weaknesses to identify solutions towards
> strengthening itself for a balance.
>
>
> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> twitter.com/shivaindia
> ____________________________________________________________
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From 6.internet at gmail.com  Mon Apr 15 11:50:25 2019
From: 6.internet at gmail.com (sivasubramanian muthusamy)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:20:25 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a
 balance in Internet Governance Policy positions?
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Message-ID: <CAKsgsGxE7hBTCMT4djqZOvR8+XVAmY0JpxE06i0cG47UcWxJ_A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Deirdre

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:51 PM Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
wrote:

>  Dear Siva,
> I think this is an excellent idea, but it seems to me that it is also a
> topic for a discussion that can go on now, without waiting for the IGF. In
> fact an effective discussion between now and November could culminate in a
> really effective workshop?
>

Yes, we don't have to wait for the IGF, we could discuss this on the list.


> One thing among many others that presents a need for clarification is an
> understanding of who/what IS the civil society that should be considering
> these issues.
> Experience suggests that the more voices that can be harnessed together
> with a common understanding of a common goal the more likely it is that
> that goal will be achieved BUT "a common understanding of a common goal" is
> not an easy thing to find.
>

The achievable goal is "reduced differences, a broad agreement, shared
pursuits in a common direction". We don't have to dwell too much on the
task or defining what is Civil Society, we already understand what is Civil
Society, roughly, but could examine a few questions for clarity, without
getting trapped in the exercise: the discussions may not have to resemble
an exercise to arrive at a legal definition.

The Internet Governance Civil Society, by rough understanding, is a class
of participants who are NOT part of the Government stakeholder group, NOT
part of the Business stakeholder group, if we go by a broad categorization
of All Stakeholders into three major groups. But we have at least three
other, more distinct, major stakeholders in Internet Governance:  Internet
Technical Community, International Organizations and the Academic
Community.  (An Official MAG chart at page breaks down stakeholder groups
as Governments, Private Sector, Civil Society, Technical Community and
Media)  We could perhaps start with prevailing positions of the Academic
Community and seek views about the extend of the Academic Community's broad
inclinations towards one of the three stakeholder groups or another. Some
International Organizations are identified with Governments, some are not.
I haven't watched debates on stakeholder classification, but the more
experienced Civil Society leaders with a good understanding of the History
of Internet Governance may have views to share on Stakeholder classes.

This is *NOT* to suggest that we are to debate on the class of stakeholder
group International Organizations and the Academic Community belong to.
That would far exceed the scope of the role of Civil Society. The various
stakeholder classes are mentioned here with a view to find an answer to the
question, "Are some of the International Organizations and a part or all of
the Academic Community presently included or identified as part of Civil
Society?

Sivasubramanian M


> Good luck and best wishes
> Deirdre
>
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 15:22, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> With a few hours remaining for submission of the 2019 workshops, I intend
>> to propose a workshop.  Looking for support from IGC, Besbits and APC, some
>> quick suggestions to improve the text, and more importantly, for
>> suggestions of speakers who have a good understanding of the history of
>> Civil Society in IG.
>>
>> Kindly respond ASAP.
>>
>> title
>> "Is the Civil Society doing enough?"
>> policy question
>> "Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet
>> Governance Policy positions?"
>> relevance to the theme:
>> Though proposed under "Digital Inclusion", it is a workshop across the
>> three themes, and of relevance to the overall design of the
>> multi-stakeholder model of Internet Governance.
>> relevance to Internet Governance:
>> When broadly classified, Civil Society is one of the three stakeholders
>> in Internet Governance. Since WSIS 2005, Civil Society has played a
>> constructive role to bring about a balance in Internet Governance debates.
>> However, a certain degree of imbalance persists as the other stakeholder
>> groups tend to steer policy a little more than proportionately towards
>> their own respective positions. Governments around the world draft
>> legislative directives some of which the Civil Society find undesirable. In
>> some instances, Civil Society positions remarkably differed from that of
>> Government, the proposed Acts such as SOPA or PIPA or Directives were
>> withdrawn, only to be reintroduced and confirmed by some other title or
>> form. Business responds to Civil Society positions, for instance, on
>> Privacy issues, but many of the concerns of Civil Society are not
>> adequately addressed. It could be stated that the other stakeholder groups
>> prevail more than proportionately over Civil Society, in matters related to
>> Internet Governance. This prompts the question, "Is the Civil Society
>> participating enough? Is the Civil Society doing enough?"
>>
>> If not enough, what needs to be done? In Internet Governance, the formal
>> title as "Civil Society" is shared by a somewhat loose collaboration
>> between Internet Governance participants who took up the Civil Society role
>> since WSIS 2005, other early CS participants in the IGF, organizations that
>> pursue issues in public interest including Privacy organizations, Freedom
>> foundations etc, and also organizations such as some Internet Society
>> Chapters, ICANN AtLarge, ICANN Non Commercial Stakeholder Group etc, who
>> partake in Civil Society positions in their own way.
>>
>> If the Civil society is not doing enough, is it because it requires
>> greater interaction among those who pursue Civil Society positions in the
>> IGF? How would Civil Society strengthen itself? Would it also look for
>> Civil Society participation from beyond the IGF arena to bring in newer
>> Civil Society participants to the IGF?
>>
>> These are some, and not all, questions that follow the questions in the
>> title.
>>
>> Workshop session description:
>> The session would revolve around the Title Questions, "Is the Civil
>> Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet Governance Policy
>> positions?" to bring up supplementary questions, and in the process
>> identify its strengths and weaknesses to identify solutions towards
>> strengthening itself for a balance.
>>
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
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>
>
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From sheetal at gp-digital.org  Mon Apr 15 15:16:07 2019
From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:16:07 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] A Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual
 by submission deadline.
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Dear all,

I'm just writing to confirm here that I did submit a proposal for a day
zero event. It was a bit last minute after Jean reminded us of the deadline
so apologies that we didn't get to discuss it more. I've copied it below
the dotted line. Of course we can always arrange a meeting if the proposal
doesn't get accepted and crowdsourcing the agenda sounds like a good plan!
Does anyone know when we should expect to hear back?

-----------------------------------------------------------
Dear IGF 2019 'Day 0' Event Proposer,

Thank you for your submission. It is well received with the following
values:

Name Contact Person: Sheetal Kumar
Name of Requesting Organization: Global Partners Digital
Title of the Event: Civil society coordination meeting
Short Description of the Event:
The civil society coordination event will act as a convening and
collaboration opportunity for civil society groups working on issues related
to internet governance and policy. It will allow groups to discuss issues of
common concern and to identify opportunities for collaboration on issues and
forums. It will also allow the participants to consider issues relevant to
the IGF agenda and identify what opportunities exist during the IGF where
civil society can come together to reinforce common positions and thereby
strengthen the civil society voice in internet governance discussions.

Estimated Number of Participants Expected to Attend: 30
Requested Duration for the Event (*Cannot be guaranteed): 5 hours
Additional Comments:

If possible, we would like to ensure internet connectivity for remote
participation and request a room with electrical plugs.


After the deadline, the IGF Secretariat will inform proposers on the status
of their requests.
Please note requests will be accepted on a first-come, first-serve basis,
and
not all event durations may be accommodated.

For specific questions, please contact Ms. Eleonora Mazzucchi at:
eleonora.mazzucchi at un.org

Best regards,

IGF Secretariat


On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 09:33, Jean F. Quéralt <JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org>
wrote:

> Dear Siva,
>
> My comment comes from a very simple reality: I am new in the space and my
> connections and options to involve other organizations is mostly in those
> two countries. I may be able to facilitate to increase their presence while
> I doubt I can do much for other regions at the moment.
>
> By all means, I would hope that other people do the same in the areas
> where they can have some positive participation outcomes. I do not have the
> proper contacts with EFF, Mozilla and other relevant stakeholders. I wish I
> did. I am talking with many other organizations in the past weeks to
> encourage them to join the conversation and to attempt some level of
> organization.
>
> As for Germany, yes we should and I have started doing my own list based
> on our contacts.
>
> I was just wondering about where could we be putting all this info
> (agenda, who are the orgs we are approaching, etc) in a centralized place
> (an etherpad or G Docs).
> That could be a way to coordinate that. We identify organizations and ask
> for people to pick up those they have contact with or refer us so that we
> can manage the engagement.
> (This point -the information- leads back to something I've been proposing
> around: we need a global CRM for CS - More on this as we move on)
>
> Best,
> Jean
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 4:03 PM Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Jean, Sheetal,
>>
>> Taking your idea of inviting CS organizations from Malaysia and
>> Philippines (what are their names?) further, why not also work on inviting
>> some of the constructive CS organizations from within the host country with
>> help from the host, also from France? Why not seek participation from
>> Mozilla, EFF and other organizations that pay attention to global issues?
>> What are the global CS organizations who could bring significant value to
>> the IGF?
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 6:25 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
>> jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Great. Thx a lot for the initiative :-)
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of ways to bring some orgs from Malaysia and Philippines.
>>> Been discussing options with my colleagues. I'll contact some potential
>>> funders to assist them if our petitions get approved to seek for more
>>> participation of CS in such events.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Jean
>>>
>>>
>>> On April 15, 2019 08:25:42 Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Jean,
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't aware of Sheetal's proposal, and couldn't wait to verify if
>>>> there has been a submission already.  It occurred to me to write a proposal
>>>> as late as minutes to the deadline. As you suggest, more than one proposal
>>>> increases the chances of a slot for a Day0 event.
>>>>
>>>> Day0 proposal does not require speakers to be identified.  So I have
>>>> not mentioned any names as speakers. We could add names if the discussion
>>>> progresses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:44 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
>>>> jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello, Siva.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheetal did submit a request yesterday for a similar initiative
>>>>> although in another format (different assistance expectation, etc).
>>>>> I'd argue that the more petitions we submit the more chances we have
>>>>> to get it accepted. Maybe the selection process will merge both.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent it asap before the deadline. If need be, you can use me as
>>>>> "dummy" for the list of speakers and then we figure out who to actually
>>>>> onboard if it gets shortlisted.
>>>>> (I'm not the right person to be in the final list)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>> Jean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On April 15, 2019 07:58:10 sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sharing a Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual, to be
>>>>>> amended/expanded if useful, and to be owned and organized by the Civil
>>>>>> Society, if there is support to the idea of a Day 0 CS event, if not
>>>>>> proposed already.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Title of the Event: Civil Society Reunion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Short Description of the Event: Proposed as an event to be passed on
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>> 'owned' by a small group of lead-participants from Civil Society, to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> identified. This is a preliminary request, subject to reaffirmation
>>>>>> by a team
>>>>>> of organizers to be formed, as a event that would a reunion of Civil
>>>>>> Society
>>>>>> participants, mostly from within the IGF space, some to be invited
>>>>>> from Civil
>>>>>> Society without. Proposal to be expanded, and if approved as an
>>>>>> expanded
>>>>>> proposal, to be organized with a request to the IGF for a meeting
>>>>>> space with
>>>>>> good conferencing facilities, preferably in the IGF venue, with
>>>>>> Internet for
>>>>>> remote participation, Coffee and lunch or boxed lunch for 300-500
>>>>>> participants, either as direct/in-kind funding from the IGF, or by
>>>>>> way of the
>>>>>> IGF's assistance in securing the required funding, which may be around
>>>>>> $10,000 euros. The event would be organized, tentatively, as a Round
>>>>>> Table
>>>>>> discussion on the topic "Stakeholder balance in Internet Governance
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> innovation in Business and effectiveness in Governance” Discussion to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> led by discussion leaders from across stakeholder groups, with a
>>>>>> geographical
>>>>>> and gender balance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Estimated Number of Participants Expected to Attend: 300
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Requested Duration for the Event (*Cannot be guaranteed): 5 hours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Mon Apr 15 15:47:33 2019
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 16:47:33 -0300
Subject: [bestbits] A Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual
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This is truly great. Thank you both sivasubramanian and Sheetal for
submitting requests, especially when last years schedule and lack of day
zero prevented us from having a coordination meeting.

Very much appreciated.

best,
bruna

Le lun. 15 avr. 2019 à 16:16, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> a
écrit :

> Dear all,
>
> I'm just writing to confirm here that I did submit a proposal for a day
> zero event. It was a bit last minute after Jean reminded us of the deadline
> so apologies that we didn't get to discuss it more. I've copied it below
> the dotted line. Of course we can always arrange a meeting if the proposal
> doesn't get accepted and crowdsourcing the agenda sounds like a good plan!
> Does anyone know when we should expect to hear back?
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Dear IGF 2019 'Day 0' Event Proposer,
>
> Thank you for your submission. It is well received with the following
> values:
>
> Name Contact Person: Sheetal Kumar
> Name of Requesting Organization: Global Partners Digital
> Title of the Event: Civil society coordination meeting
> Short Description of the Event:
> The civil society coordination event will act as a convening and
> collaboration opportunity for civil society groups working on issues
> related
> to internet governance and policy. It will allow groups to discuss issues
> of
> common concern and to identify opportunities for collaboration on issues
> and
> forums. It will also allow the participants to consider issues relevant to
> the IGF agenda and identify what opportunities exist during the IGF where
> civil society can come together to reinforce common positions and thereby
> strengthen the civil society voice in internet governance discussions.
>
> Estimated Number of Participants Expected to Attend: 30
> Requested Duration for the Event (*Cannot be guaranteed): 5 hours
> Additional Comments:
>
> If possible, we would like to ensure internet connectivity for remote
> participation and request a room with electrical plugs.
>
>
> After the deadline, the IGF Secretariat will inform proposers on the status
> of their requests.
> Please note requests will be accepted on a first-come, first-serve basis,
> and
> not all event durations may be accommodated.
>
> For specific questions, please contact Ms. Eleonora Mazzucchi at:
> eleonora.mazzucchi at un.org
>
> Best regards,
>
> IGF Secretariat
>
>
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 09:33, Jean F. Quéralt <
> JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Siva,
>>
>> My comment comes from a very simple reality: I am new in the space and my
>> connections and options to involve other organizations is mostly in those
>> two countries. I may be able to facilitate to increase their presence while
>> I doubt I can do much for other regions at the moment.
>>
>> By all means, I would hope that other people do the same in the areas
>> where they can have some positive participation outcomes. I do not have the
>> proper contacts with EFF, Mozilla and other relevant stakeholders. I wish I
>> did. I am talking with many other organizations in the past weeks to
>> encourage them to join the conversation and to attempt some level of
>> organization.
>>
>> As for Germany, yes we should and I have started doing my own list based
>> on our contacts.
>>
>> I was just wondering about where could we be putting all this info
>> (agenda, who are the orgs we are approaching, etc) in a centralized place
>> (an etherpad or G Docs).
>> That could be a way to coordinate that. We identify organizations and ask
>> for people to pick up those they have contact with or refer us so that we
>> can manage the engagement.
>> (This point -the information- leads back to something I've been proposing
>> around: we need a global CRM for CS - More on this as we move on)
>>
>> Best,
>> Jean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 4:03 PM Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jean, Sheetal,
>>>
>>> Taking your idea of inviting CS organizations from Malaysia and
>>> Philippines (what are their names?) further, why not also work on inviting
>>> some of the constructive CS organizations from within the host country with
>>> help from the host, also from France? Why not seek participation from
>>> Mozilla, EFF and other organizations that pay attention to global issues?
>>> What are the global CS organizations who could bring significant value to
>>> the IGF?
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 6:25 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
>>> jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great. Thx a lot for the initiative :-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking of ways to bring some orgs from Malaysia and Philippines.
>>>> Been discussing options with my colleagues. I'll contact some potential
>>>> funders to assist them if our petitions get approved to seek for more
>>>> participation of CS in such events.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Jean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On April 15, 2019 08:25:42 Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Jean,
>>>>>
>>>>> Wasn't aware of Sheetal's proposal, and couldn't wait to verify if
>>>>> there has been a submission already.  It occurred to me to write a proposal
>>>>> as late as minutes to the deadline. As you suggest, more than one proposal
>>>>> increases the chances of a slot for a Day0 event.
>>>>>
>>>>> Day0 proposal does not require speakers to be identified.  So I have
>>>>> not mentioned any names as speakers. We could add names if the discussion
>>>>> progresses.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:44 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
>>>>> jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello, Siva.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheetal did submit a request yesterday for a similar initiative
>>>>>> although in another format (different assistance expectation, etc).
>>>>>> I'd argue that the more petitions we submit the more chances we have
>>>>>> to get it accepted. Maybe the selection process will merge both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent it asap before the deadline. If need be, you can use me as
>>>>>> "dummy" for the list of speakers and then we figure out who to actually
>>>>>> onboard if it gets shortlisted.
>>>>>> (I'm not the right person to be in the final list)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>> Jean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On April 15, 2019 07:58:10 sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sharing a Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual, to be
>>>>>>> amended/expanded if useful, and to be owned and organized by the Civil
>>>>>>> Society, if there is support to the idea of a Day 0 CS event, if not
>>>>>>> proposed already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Title of the Event: Civil Society Reunion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Short Description of the Event: Proposed as an event to be passed on
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> 'owned' by a small group of lead-participants from Civil Society, to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> identified. This is a preliminary request, subject to reaffirmation
>>>>>>> by a team
>>>>>>> of organizers to be formed, as a event that would a reunion of Civil
>>>>>>> Society
>>>>>>> participants, mostly from within the IGF space, some to be invited
>>>>>>> from Civil
>>>>>>> Society without. Proposal to be expanded, and if approved as an
>>>>>>> expanded
>>>>>>> proposal, to be organized with a request to the IGF for a meeting
>>>>>>> space with
>>>>>>> good conferencing facilities, preferably in the IGF venue, with
>>>>>>> Internet for
>>>>>>> remote participation, Coffee and lunch or boxed lunch for 300-500
>>>>>>> participants, either as direct/in-kind funding from the IGF, or by
>>>>>>> way of the
>>>>>>> IGF's assistance in securing the required funding, which may be
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>> $10,000 euros. The event would be organized, tentatively, as a Round
>>>>>>> Table
>>>>>>> discussion on the topic "Stakeholder balance in Internet Governance
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> innovation in Business and effectiveness in Governance” Discussion
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> led by discussion leaders from across stakeholder groups, with a
>>>>>>> geographical
>>>>>>> and gender balance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Estimated Number of Participants Expected to Attend: 300
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Requested Duration for the Event (*Cannot be guaranteed): 5 hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
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From: 6.internet at gmail.com (sivasubramanian muthusamy)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:43:34 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits:
 next steps
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Is there a comparitive list of best bit subscribers and IGC members? Who is
in bestbits while not being part of IGC?

Also, what are there other related CS lists discussing IG issues, if not
comprehensively, issues such as Privacy, Security, Community Access? Why
not invite them to be a part of a larger IG Caucus, irrespective of whether
they physically and regularly participate in the global IGF?

Is there a way of reaching out to NRIs to ask for the list of CS
participants in NRIs?

Not merely consolidate, but also expand. A wider CS could bring in creative
solutions to the IG process and cause a balance.

Sivasubramanian M

Sivasubramanian M

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 5:56 PM Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Sivasubramanian,
> (Apologies for cross-posting)
> Although various people have pointed to the need for a common voice for
> civil society in this arena it really seems that there is no longer an
> appetite for the individual effort needed for a successful collaboration of
> this type. I would be very happy to have this opinion drowned by a chorus
> of voices proving me wrong, but I am not expecting to hear them.
> So I wonder if we should be looking for a new means to and a new process
> for collaboration?
> Should this be included in the agenda under 2 - Concrete ways forward?
> I don't have any real suggestions. I think that, more now than before, the
> process depends on individuals being willing to make a commitment of time
> energy and effort, and that this is happening in a context where the
> general ethos has lost its encouragement of sharing and communal energy.
> It needs to become possible again to perceive a common good. Should this
> happen by painstakingly linking very small local initiatives, where the
> "common good" is easy to see, rather than attempting things on a global
> scale (which in fact is "top down")?
> Hopefully the discussion on 9th will take us nearer to a solution.
> Best wishes
> Deirdre
>
> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 16:41, Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only about 8
>> respondents.
>>
>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>
>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>>> forward.
>>>
>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be great
>>> if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and set up a
>>> room.
>>>
>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>
>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>
>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Sheetal.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have attached
>>>> the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included at the
>>>> top in case useful.
>>>>
>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half spent
>>>> discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1 hour) and
>>>> the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other key
>>>> members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>>
>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way to
>>>> promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change the
>>>> current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way forward
>>>> which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible range of
>>>> opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed, please do
>>>> chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up call.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great to
>>>>> hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill out
>>>>> the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
>>>>> steps next week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to those
>>>>>> who have responded already.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can, by
>>>>>> using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set of
>>>>>> discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a survey
>>>>>>> below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a call on
>>>>>>> February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it was
>>>>>>> agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any questions at
>>>>>>> all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and IGC
>>>>>>>> have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives, particularly
>>>>>>>> when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a survey to both
>>>>>>>> lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward which were
>>>>>>>> discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with the broader
>>>>>>>> communities feed into a decision on the future of the platforms. The survey
>>>>>>>> will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,  and your participation
>>>>>>>> would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is this
>>>>>>>>> coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full details
>>>>>>>>> are included in my previous email and I've updated the etherpad
>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture> with those
>>>>>>>>> planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time for
>>>>>>>>>> the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full details of the
>>>>>>>>>> call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward to
>>>>>>>>>> speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will appear on
>>>>>>>>>> the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the link with
>>>>>>>>>> the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if you do not
>>>>>>>>>> want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you call in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing devices:
>>>>>>>>>> pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and I've
>>>>>>>>>> also added the names of those who indicated they were available for the
>>>>>>>>>> call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the call
>>>>>>>>>> without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea of
>>>>>>>>>> numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base again
>>>>>>>>>>> in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to decide
>>>>>>>>>>> next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we suggest
>>>>>>>>>>> only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to some IGC
>>>>>>>>>>> folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion only.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next week
>>>>>>>>>>> (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done, what
>>>>>>>>>>>> we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>> and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that we
>>>>>>>>>>>> would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many of
>>>>>>>>>>>> us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and find a
>>>>>>>>>>>> common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having hidden
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and informal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could resuscitate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i - -O
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge"
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>
>> --
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From: 6.internet at gmail.com (sivasubramanian muthusamy)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 19:29:36 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] A Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual
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Dear Sheetal,

It was almost midnight, a minute or two before the deadline, when I wrote
as an individual (without having time to bring it up at Bestbits or IGC)
and proposed a Civil Society Day0 event, which is the same as the event you
have proposed, except that instead of a meeting of 30 participants, it says
300 participants, makes an overture for funding / funding assistance from
the IGF.

There are some suggestions on this list that we could work on the
proposal(s) in a shared document. I have opened a Google Document, and for
a start, copied and pasted both proposals and sharing it with both the
lists,  I hope this is alright.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QQQNFq7C6WhsAQlCxxAlr8X7QR07sBphudabE-LqRGI/edit?usp=sharing

As someone suggested, it is good to have more than one proposal with the
IGF for better chances of approval for at least one of the event. In the
meantime, among the CS participants, some work could be done on the
document to expand the proposal, to discuss the event theme, size of
participation, and to draw up an outreach and other efforts required

Will also sharing the workshop proposal on the CS theme on the relevant
thread.

Thank you.

Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
twitter.com/shivaindia


On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 12:46 AM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I'm just writing to confirm here that I did submit a proposal for a day
> zero event. It was a bit last minute after Jean reminded us of the deadline
> so apologies that we didn't get to discuss it more. I've copied it below
> the dotted line. Of course we can always arrange a meeting if the proposal
> doesn't get accepted and crowdsourcing the agenda sounds like a good plan!
> Does anyone know when we should expect to hear back?
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Dear IGF 2019 'Day 0' Event Proposer,
>
> Thank you for your submission. It is well received with the following
> values:
>
> Name Contact Person: Sheetal Kumar
> Name of Requesting Organization: Global Partners Digital
> Title of the Event: Civil society coordination meeting
> Short Description of the Event:
> The civil society coordination event will act as a convening and
> collaboration opportunity for civil society groups working on issues
> related
> to internet governance and policy. It will allow groups to discuss issues
> of
> common concern and to identify opportunities for collaboration on issues
> and
> forums. It will also allow the participants to consider issues relevant to
> the IGF agenda and identify what opportunities exist during the IGF where
> civil society can come together to reinforce common positions and thereby
> strengthen the civil society voice in internet governance discussions.
>
> Estimated Number of Participants Expected to Attend: 30
> Requested Duration for the Event (*Cannot be guaranteed): 5 hours
> Additional Comments:
>
> If possible, we would like to ensure internet connectivity for remote
> participation and request a room with electrical plugs.
>
>
> After the deadline, the IGF Secretariat will inform proposers on the status
> of their requests.
> Please note requests will be accepted on a first-come, first-serve basis,
> and
> not all event durations may be accommodated.
>
> For specific questions, please contact Ms. Eleonora Mazzucchi at:
> eleonora.mazzucchi at un.org
>
> Best regards,
>
> IGF Secretariat
>
>
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 09:33, Jean F. Quéralt <
> JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Siva,
>>
>> My comment comes from a very simple reality: I am new in the space and my
>> connections and options to involve other organizations is mostly in those
>> two countries. I may be able to facilitate to increase their presence while
>> I doubt I can do much for other regions at the moment.
>>
>> By all means, I would hope that other people do the same in the areas
>> where they can have some positive participation outcomes. I do not have the
>> proper contacts with EFF, Mozilla and other relevant stakeholders. I wish I
>> did. I am talking with many other organizations in the past weeks to
>> encourage them to join the conversation and to attempt some level of
>> organization.
>>
>> As for Germany, yes we should and I have started doing my own list based
>> on our contacts.
>>
>> I was just wondering about where could we be putting all this info
>> (agenda, who are the orgs we are approaching, etc) in a centralized place
>> (an etherpad or G Docs).
>> That could be a way to coordinate that. We identify organizations and ask
>> for people to pick up those they have contact with or refer us so that we
>> can manage the engagement.
>> (This point -the information- leads back to something I've been proposing
>> around: we need a global CRM for CS - More on this as we move on)
>>
>> Best,
>> Jean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 4:03 PM Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jean, Sheetal,
>>>
>>> Taking your idea of inviting CS organizations from Malaysia and
>>> Philippines (what are their names?) further, why not also work on inviting
>>> some of the constructive CS organizations from within the host country with
>>> help from the host, also from France? Why not seek participation from
>>> Mozilla, EFF and other organizations that pay attention to global issues?
>>> What are the global CS organizations who could bring significant value to
>>> the IGF?
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 6:25 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
>>> jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great. Thx a lot for the initiative :-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking of ways to bring some orgs from Malaysia and Philippines.
>>>> Been discussing options with my colleagues. I'll contact some potential
>>>> funders to assist them if our petitions get approved to seek for more
>>>> participation of CS in such events.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Jean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On April 15, 2019 08:25:42 Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Jean,
>>>>>
>>>>> Wasn't aware of Sheetal's proposal, and couldn't wait to verify if
>>>>> there has been a submission already.  It occurred to me to write a proposal
>>>>> as late as minutes to the deadline. As you suggest, more than one proposal
>>>>> increases the chances of a slot for a Day0 event.
>>>>>
>>>>> Day0 proposal does not require speakers to be identified.  So I have
>>>>> not mentioned any names as speakers. We could add names if the discussion
>>>>> progresses.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:44 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
>>>>> jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello, Siva.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheetal did submit a request yesterday for a similar initiative
>>>>>> although in another format (different assistance expectation, etc).
>>>>>> I'd argue that the more petitions we submit the more chances we have
>>>>>> to get it accepted. Maybe the selection process will merge both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent it asap before the deadline. If need be, you can use me as
>>>>>> "dummy" for the list of speakers and then we figure out who to actually
>>>>>> onboard if it gets shortlisted.
>>>>>> (I'm not the right person to be in the final list)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>> Jean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On April 15, 2019 07:58:10 sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sharing a Day0 proposal, tentatively submitted as individual, to be
>>>>>>> amended/expanded if useful, and to be owned and organized by the Civil
>>>>>>> Society, if there is support to the idea of a Day 0 CS event, if not
>>>>>>> proposed already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Title of the Event: Civil Society Reunion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Short Description of the Event: Proposed as an event to be passed on
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> 'owned' by a small group of lead-participants from Civil Society, to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> identified. This is a preliminary request, subject to reaffirmation
>>>>>>> by a team
>>>>>>> of organizers to be formed, as a event that would a reunion of Civil
>>>>>>> Society
>>>>>>> participants, mostly from within the IGF space, some to be invited
>>>>>>> from Civil
>>>>>>> Society without. Proposal to be expanded, and if approved as an
>>>>>>> expanded
>>>>>>> proposal, to be organized with a request to the IGF for a meeting
>>>>>>> space with
>>>>>>> good conferencing facilities, preferably in the IGF venue, with
>>>>>>> Internet for
>>>>>>> remote participation, Coffee and lunch or boxed lunch for 300-500
>>>>>>> participants, either as direct/in-kind funding from the IGF, or by
>>>>>>> way of the
>>>>>>> IGF's assistance in securing the required funding, which may be
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>> $10,000 euros. The event would be organized, tentatively, as a Round
>>>>>>> Table
>>>>>>> discussion on the topic "Stakeholder balance in Internet Governance
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> innovation in Business and effectiveness in Governance” Discussion
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> led by discussion leaders from across stakeholder groups, with a
>>>>>>> geographical
>>>>>>> and gender balance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Estimated Number of Participants Expected to Attend: 300
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Requested Duration for the Event (*Cannot be guaranteed): 5 hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>
> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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From 6.internet at gmail.com  Tue Apr 16 10:03:47 2019
From: 6.internet at gmail.com (sivasubramanian muthusamy)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 19:33:47 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a
 balance in Internet Governance Policy positions?
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Shared the proposal as an editable document:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1txgk8QaM0wKFqIjTXxO-KKSI-g2xMvHLLDZ_aJjgY2Y/edit?usp=sharing

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 9:20 PM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Deirdre
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:51 PM Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>  Dear Siva,
>> I think this is an excellent idea, but it seems to me that it is also a
>> topic for a discussion that can go on now, without waiting for the IGF. In
>> fact an effective discussion between now and November could culminate in a
>> really effective workshop?
>>
>
> Yes, we don't have to wait for the IGF, we could discuss this on the list.
>
>
>> One thing among many others that presents a need for clarification is an
>> understanding of who/what IS the civil society that should be considering
>> these issues.
>> Experience suggests that the more voices that can be harnessed together
>> with a common understanding of a common goal the more likely it is that
>> that goal will be achieved BUT "a common understanding of a common goal" is
>> not an easy thing to find.
>>
>
> The achievable goal is "reduced differences, a broad agreement, shared
> pursuits in a common direction". We don't have to dwell too much on the
> task or defining what is Civil Society, we already understand what is Civil
> Society, roughly, but could examine a few questions for clarity, without
> getting trapped in the exercise: the discussions may not have to resemble
> an exercise to arrive at a legal definition.
>
> The Internet Governance Civil Society, by rough understanding, is a class
> of participants who are NOT part of the Government stakeholder group, NOT
> part of the Business stakeholder group, if we go by a broad categorization
> of All Stakeholders into three major groups. But we have at least three
> other, more distinct, major stakeholders in Internet Governance:  Internet
> Technical Community, International Organizations and the Academic
> Community.  (An Official MAG chart at page breaks down stakeholder groups
> as Governments, Private Sector, Civil Society, Technical Community and
> Media)  We could perhaps start with prevailing positions of the Academic
> Community and seek views about the extend of the Academic Community's broad
> inclinations towards one of the three stakeholder groups or another. Some
> International Organizations are identified with Governments, some are not.
> I haven't watched debates on stakeholder classification, but the more
> experienced Civil Society leaders with a good understanding of the History
> of Internet Governance may have views to share on Stakeholder classes.
>
> This is *NOT* to suggest that we are to debate on the class of
> stakeholder group International Organizations and the Academic Community
> belong to. That would far exceed the scope of the role of Civil Society.
> The various stakeholder classes are mentioned here with a view to find an
> answer to the question, "Are some of the International Organizations and a
> part or all of the Academic Community presently included or identified as
> part of Civil Society?
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
>
>> Good luck and best wishes
>> Deirdre
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 15:22, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> With a few hours remaining for submission of the 2019 workshops, I
>>> intend to propose a workshop.  Looking for support from IGC, Besbits and
>>> APC, some quick suggestions to improve the text, and more importantly, for
>>> suggestions of speakers who have a good understanding of the history of
>>> Civil Society in IG.
>>>
>>> Kindly respond ASAP.
>>>
>>> title
>>> "Is the Civil Society doing enough?"
>>> policy question
>>> "Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet
>>> Governance Policy positions?"
>>> relevance to the theme:
>>> Though proposed under "Digital Inclusion", it is a workshop across the
>>> three themes, and of relevance to the overall design of the
>>> multi-stakeholder model of Internet Governance.
>>> relevance to Internet Governance:
>>> When broadly classified, Civil Society is one of the three stakeholders
>>> in Internet Governance. Since WSIS 2005, Civil Society has played a
>>> constructive role to bring about a balance in Internet Governance debates.
>>> However, a certain degree of imbalance persists as the other stakeholder
>>> groups tend to steer policy a little more than proportionately towards
>>> their own respective positions. Governments around the world draft
>>> legislative directives some of which the Civil Society find undesirable. In
>>> some instances, Civil Society positions remarkably differed from that of
>>> Government, the proposed Acts such as SOPA or PIPA or Directives were
>>> withdrawn, only to be reintroduced and confirmed by some other title or
>>> form. Business responds to Civil Society positions, for instance, on
>>> Privacy issues, but many of the concerns of Civil Society are not
>>> adequately addressed. It could be stated that the other stakeholder groups
>>> prevail more than proportionately over Civil Society, in matters related to
>>> Internet Governance. This prompts the question, "Is the Civil Society
>>> participating enough? Is the Civil Society doing enough?"
>>>
>>> If not enough, what needs to be done? In Internet Governance, the formal
>>> title as "Civil Society" is shared by a somewhat loose collaboration
>>> between Internet Governance participants who took up the Civil Society role
>>> since WSIS 2005, other early CS participants in the IGF, organizations that
>>> pursue issues in public interest including Privacy organizations, Freedom
>>> foundations etc, and also organizations such as some Internet Society
>>> Chapters, ICANN AtLarge, ICANN Non Commercial Stakeholder Group etc, who
>>> partake in Civil Society positions in their own way.
>>>
>>> If the Civil society is not doing enough, is it because it requires
>>> greater interaction among those who pursue Civil Society positions in the
>>> IGF? How would Civil Society strengthen itself? Would it also look for
>>> Civil Society participation from beyond the IGF arena to bring in newer
>>> Civil Society participants to the IGF?
>>>
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From bkilic at citizen.org  Tue Apr 16 12:17:16 2019
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From mariliamaciel at gmail.com  Wed Apr 17 06:21:17 2019
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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:21:17 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] An overview of latest IG events
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Hello everyone,

The last few weeks have been very intense, packed with several meetings of
interest to the Internet governance community, such as the WSIS Forum,
UNCTAD eCommerce week and the Western Balkans Digital Summit. For those who
did not have the chance to follow discussions, the just-in-time reporting
from these meetings produced by the Geneva Internet Platform and
DiploFoundation could be handy. The links can be found below.

All the best wishes,
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From veni at veni.com  Wed Apr 17 06:40:34 2019
From: veni at veni.com (Veni Markovski)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 06:40:34 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] An overview of latest IG events
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Marila's message reminded me to let you know about latest developments
at the UN, on cyber...

In case you've missed these articles, published on March 27th and March
28th, accordingly by the Russian cyber "tzar" Krutskikh, and by
Washington Post columnist David Ignatius.  

They cover a lot of what's happening around the UN (and also US-Russia)
cyber negotiations. They describe both the Open-Ended Working Group and
the Governmental Group of Experts (the latter one membership is expected
to be announced any moment), which will be discussing cyber for the
coming years at the UN General Assembly. Mr. Krutskikh is former
diplomat and current cyber advisor to President Putin. His piece was
published first in the Kommersant Daily, and then posted (in English) on
the official Facebook page
<https://www.facebook.com/RusEmbUSA/photos/a.493759737501088/990105344533189/?type=3> of
the Embassy of the Russian Federation to the US - a clear sign that
Russia is sending a message.  

*"Russia Has Nothing To Hide, Nor Has It A Reason To Fear" *

 In the report of the US Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller, partially
released recently, was again affirmed that the Russian special services
intervened in the US elections of 2016. Russia proposed to the United
States to publish the closed communication between the Russian and US
government agencies about the investigation of this incident, but the US
refused. The Special Representative of the President of the Russian
Federation for International Cooperation in Information Security,
Ambassador-at-Large Andrey Krutskikh explained in the article, written
exclusively for the Kommersant, why Moscow considers it important to
resume the dialogue with Washington on cyberspace.

 Against the backdrop of the habitual – even ritual – anti-Russia
propaganda, some voices of reason have been heard lately among American
experts. Of particular interest in this regard is the recent article by
the The Daily Beast titled "This Hotline Could Keep the U.S. and Russia
from Cyberwar". No doubt, for the professionals who have closely
followed the development of the situation this publication will hardly
be an eye-opener. What is important is that the article openly admits
that the absence of a depoliticized expert dialogue between Russia and
the U.S. on international information security is not only a road to
nowhere but also a dangerous course fraught with further
misunderstanding and a risk of a large-scale conflict.

 Those are not emotional conclusions, but rather plain facts cited by
American security officials who have formerly worked or still work at
the administration, overseeing the issues of cyber security, i.e. by
those who know the situation on the ground and, by virtue of their
occupation, are bound to be utterly pragmatic.

 If security officials and the expert community in the U.S. actually
share this opinion, this is the case when it is hard to argue with the
colleagues, even though they are "on the other side of the fence". 

Six years ago, in 2013, we managed to reach agreement on establishing a
direct line of communication between Russia and the U.S. in the event of
cyber incidents. Basically, the system was modelled on a similar
mechanism that had been in place during the Cold War for dealing with
traditional military incidents and enables a prompt information exchange
at all levels from institutional to political.

 Since its establishment, the communication channel has been used, and
more than once. In fact, during the Obama administration, we maintained
a vibrant dialogue on cyber issues both at the routine technical level
and in the format of full-fledged consultations. Physical meetings of
experts enabling them to engage in direct discussions on emerging issues
were held. Even a special high-level bilateral working group was
established under the Russian-American Presidential Commission.

 As for the operation of the “hotlines”, the most vivid example is the
address of the American side during the U.S. presidential campaign in
autumn 2016, in which the U.S. expressed concerns over the intrusion
into its electronic infrastructure. Our response was prompt as usual,
and an exchange of the relevant technical information took place. Our
National coordination center for computer incidents, which is in charge
of the line, as early as last December, announced its readiness to
reveal the content of the correspondence to general public, subject to
consent of the American side. We sent the relevant proposal to
Washington through diplomatic channels early this year. The response was
in the negative.

 The Russian Foreign Ministry's spokesperson offered an exhaustive
explanation on the issue at her briefing last week. For my part, I can
only add to this that our proposal to publish the above-mentioned
correspondence was an unprecedented step, an example of true
transparency, which our partners tend to invoke so often. Russia has
nothing to fear – nor do we have anything to conceal. We are ready to
open the correspondence for examination by the general public both in
Russia and the U.S., the mass media, and experts, so that they could
draw their own conclusions on what really happened. But at the moment,
we cannot publish this data because of the refusal of the American side.
The pretext for the refusal was the so-called "sensitivity" of the data.
It is highly unlikely, however, that any information that is more
"sensitive" for the U.S. than for Russia could be found there. Frankly
speaking, this approach rather shows that they unsure of their position,
since it would be much harder to disseminate information accusing Russia
of "having a hand" in cyber intrusions if true facts were made public.

 However this is not the end of this absurd story. We decided to
directly address the US audience about the Moscow view on the situation
around the “hotlines” and proposed a number of the leading US mass media
to publish this article. We told them: we just give you “direct speech”
and you comment on it in any way you like. If you don’t like our
proposals, if you don’t believe us - put it on paper and let the readers
judge.

 First, these media showed the interest in the matter, asked us for the
details, claimed that they were ready to publish the article. However,
then they apparently got a stop light and refused, giving no
explanation. They got cold feet maybe.

 This is a matter of emotion while we want to be pragmatic. I once again
agree with our U.S. colleagues (Michael Daniel, Chris Painter and Luke
Dembosky), whose opinions were referred to in the article, that it is
not enough just to set up emergency hotlines. For them to work
effectively there should be a dialogue between those who maintain their
day-to-day operation as well as a broader conversation on issues related
to international information security.

 Officials in Washington often say that, allegedly, there is "not enough
trust" for this. The question is why would there be any trust if you
keep avoiding any discussion on the matter? We have repeatedly proposed
to hold bilateral consultations, but all our proposals have been
rejected. At times things get absurd, as a year ago in Geneva, when the
U.S. canceled a bilateral meeting two hours before it was supposed to
begin, even though the delegations were already there. One might think
that talking face to face seems so appalling to our partners that they
would rather transmit their grievances through the media.

 However, this issue is beyond routine politics, mutual poking or any
subjective factors. Today, just as 50 years ago, we talk about
preventing a cyberincident from escalating into a full-scale military
conflict between Russia and the United States. If the established
emergency “hotlines” bolstered with dialogue between experts stall for
political reasons, we will face the risk of another Cuban Missile
Crisis, only this time it will be triggered by information and
communication technologies, not warheads, and events will unfold

in a matter of minutes, leaving little time for both sides to make their
decisions. It sounds like a science-fiction film, but actually it has
long been our reality.

I want to believe that the U.S. recognizes this as well as Russia does.
At least, the opinions expressed by the U.S. experts provide us with
reasons for hope.

 We also seek the same openness, democracy and constructive dialogue as
we cooperate with the U.S. on cyber issues at multilateral fora. This
year, two dedicated negotiating mechanisms are expected to be
established to deal with international information security: the
Open-ended Working Group (OEWG), which all the UN Member States can
join, and the Group of Governmental Experts (GGE). It is interesting to
note that even though the first one is being established on Russia's
initiative, and the other, de jure, on America's; in fact, both groups
were first proposed and sponsored by Russia, while Western countries
were sceptical about the UN track and took every opportunity to
criticise it. Nonetheless, the reality is that the UNwill now have two
groups working in parallel, and it is essential that we define today the
principles of their interaction.

 We do not believe that getting into "gladiator fights" on international
information security is the right option to pursue at the UN. Russia,
just like any other state, is interested in ensuring that these groups
work in a complementary, non-adversarial, constructive and cooperative
manner.

 Out of common sense we suggest that it would be best to “share the
burden”. According to this plan the OEWG is to focus on major political
tasks concerning the majority of the international community: the rules
of responsible behavior of states in the information space,
confidence-building measures in this field, assistance to developing
states and the future format for the negotiations on this matter (a
standing committee of the UN General Assembly or Security Council, or
some other option).

 As for the GGE, it could in its turn address, as a matter of priority,
an equally important, yet more specialized issue of applicability of the
existing norms of international law to the information space.

 Harmonization of efforts is the second pivotal principle of coexistence
of the two groups. Their discussions should be non-politicized and
pragmatic, and there should be complementarity rather than competition
between their outcomes. The mandate of both the OEWG and the GGE
demonstrate that the groups are to address an enormous set of issues,
which can only be achieved with constructive engagement of all participants.

 I would like to stress that back in November 2018, we offered such plan
- a kind of programme of joint actions - to the United States. We
suggested, as we had done many times before, that we should meet and
discuss these matters. As before, we have not received any reply. There
is not much time left before both groups set to work. We can only hope
that our partners' common sense prevails and they will take advantage of
this window of opportunity before it closes. We stand ready to engage in
the dialogue.

 [End of the Facebook publication]

 

*The Washington Post writes about the same issue in an article, titled
“Moscow shouldn’t misjudge the Mueller moment
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/moscow-shouldnt-misjudge-the-mueller-moment/2019/03/27/5b6544e6-50fb-11e9-8d28-f5149e5a2fda_story.html>”*

 Russian claims this week that they’ve been exonerated by special
counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s final report make my skin crawl. But
they highlight the critical question of how the United States and Russia
can begin to move back toward a saner relationship.

Frankly speaking (as Russians like to say), the first step is for Russia
to stop pretending that it didn’t interfere in the 2016 presidential
election. The Kremlin got caught red-handed, one could say, and if it
keeps claiming otherwise, it obstructs the dialogue it says it wants.

Moscow shouldn’t misjudge the moment. The special counsel’s
report affirmed the judgment
<https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/24/us/politics/barr-letter-mueller-report.html#g-page-2> of
the U.S. intelligence community that Russia interfered during the 2016
race. Mueller’s strongest cases, in fact, were the indictments
<https://www.lawfareblog.com/russia-indictment-20-what-make-muellers-hacking-indictment> that
detailed
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-the-russians-hacked-the-dnc-and-passed-its-emails-to-wikileaks/2018/07/13/af19a828-86c3-11e8-8553-a3ce89036c78_story.html?utm_term=.3cf2f1ba493b> how
13 operatives from Russia’s Internet Research Agency manipulated social
media, and how 12 GRU <x-apple-data-detectors://4> intelligence officers
hacked Democratic Party information and passed stolen emails to WikiLeaks.

Russian commentators were nearly as jubilant
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russia-joins-trump-in-post-mueller-report-victory-lap/2019/03/25/7a5bc442-4e76-11e9-bdb7-44f948cc0605_story.html?utm_term=.742b9b5db112> as
the White House, after Attorney General William P. Barr released his
summary
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/context/read-attorney-general-barr-s-principal-conclusions-of-the-mueller-report/> of
the special counsel’s findings. “Significant taxpayer resources went
into disproving an obvious fake,” crowed a Foreign Ministry statement.
“The agents of conspiracy have been discredited,” tweeted Alexey
Pushkov, a foreign-policy expert in Russia’s parliament.

President Trump may enjoy the Kremlin fist pumps. But they’re the wrong
way to restart a serious dialogue between Moscow and Washington. A
restart won’t work unless it is founded on mutual trust between the two
nations, as opposed to mutual back-scratching by Trump and Russian
President Vladimir Putin.

Andrey Krutskikh, the Kremlin’s leading cyber expert, dropped a hankie
in an article this week in the Moscow newspaper Kommersant. He said that
“some voices
<https://www.facebook.com/RusEmbUSA/photos/a.493759737501088/990105344533189/?type=3&theater>”
were reemerging in the United States, as opposed to ritual “anti-Russian
propaganda.” He proposed that the two nations resume “depoliticized
expert dialogue” about cybersecurity, like the quiet conversations that
took place during the Obama administration.

“Russia has nothing to fear — nor do we have anything to conceal,”
Krutskikh said. He said the United States should agree to disclose the
secret pre-election contacts between the United States and Russia in
2016 about U.S. “concerns over the intrusion into its electronic
infrastructure
<https://www.facebook.com/RusEmbUSA/photos/a.493759737501088/990105344533189/?type=3>.”

This sounds dubious; Russia was conducting a covert action against the
United States, which means that it was deniable. Moscow’s statements in
2016 would reinforce its claim that it didn’t do what both U.S.
intelligence and Mueller’s indictments say it did.

Chris Painter, who was the Obama administration’s top cyber diplomat,
told me Wednesday that a resumption of working-level contacts about
cyber would be fine. But he cautioned against any top-rank contacts
about cyber issues now, because they might allow Russia to pretend the
2016 cyberattacks didn’t happen.

“If you resume high-level dialogue, that says everything’s okay — no
harm, no foul,” explains Painter. This would be a mistake, he argues,
because it would allow Moscow “to white wash what has happened.” A
policymakers’ discussion about cyber and other issues “has to have
clearly defined goals and outcomes that advance our interests.”

What about a broader conversation between the United States and Russia —
dealing with big, potentially explosive problems such as Ukraine, Syria
and nuclear arms control? As with cyber issues, the answer is that the
two sides need to talk, but they need to build a solid foundation.

“We should begin in a modest way, not with a full-up arms-control
negotiation, but by starting an ongoing dialogue about strategic
stability” argues Stephen J. Hadley, who was national security adviser
for President George W. Bush. He suggests a range of confidence-building
measures that might seek to avoid confrontations in outer space and
cyberspace.

Hadley argues the basic rationale for a reset: “The lack of dialogue
between the two countries is not in either country’s interest. It is
also potentially dangerous.”

A warier view comes from Thomas Donilon, who served as national security
adviser under President Barack Obama. He thinks the United States
shouldn’t engage Russia until its own house is in better order — with
full disclosure of the Mueller report on what the Russians did in 2016,
better protection for U.S. election security and repair of the United
States’ damaged alliances in Europe.

Trump administration officials argue that their Russia policy is based
on U.S. interests. It has imposed sanctions when necessary, but has also
tried to keep open channels between Trump and Putin. If officials have
plans for any major post-Mueller opening, they don’t say so.

If Russia wants lasting improvement in its relations with the United
States, it should stop its Trumpian gloating about the Mueller report
and start rebuilding the basics of trust. Mueller’s apparent affirmation
that there was “no collusion” creates some space for better relations,
but if Trump supporters are Moscow’s only champions, any reset with
Russia will blow a fuse.

 

[End of Washington Post article]

 
If you have any questions, let me know.

On 04/17/19 06:21, Marilia Maciel wrote:
> Hello everyone, 
>
> The last few weeks have been very intense, packed with several
> meetings of interest to the Internet governance community, such as the
> WSIS Forum, UNCTAD eCommerce week and the Western Balkans Digital
> Summit. For those who did not have the chance to follow discussions,
> the just-in-time reporting from these meetings produced by the Geneva
> Internet Platform and DiploFoundation could be handy. The links can be
> found below. 
>

-- 

Best regards, 
Veni
https://www.veni.com
pgp:5BA1366E veni at veni.com

The opinions expressed above are those of the 
author, not of any organizations, associated 
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From alex.comninos at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 11:03:14 2019
From: alex.comninos at gmail.com (Alex Comninos)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 17:03:14 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] Reminder: Survey on "Putting cybersecurity on the rights
 track"
In-Reply-To: <744102A3-D647-4A47-B580-447353D14CB9@gmail.com>
References: <744102A3-D647-4A47-B580-447353D14CB9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E904069D-10F0-40B8-B4AC-F30663947221@gmail.com>

Dear All,

We would like to extend participation in the survey and thus extend the deadline to the 25 of April at 23:59 UTC.

To all of you who have filled out the survey, we thank you very much and are excited to analyse your inputs. 

Please let s know if you have any problems with the survey or general feedback on the survey. We look forward to your responses, below is the invitation to the survey. 

The survey is explained as in the original email below:

APC is implementing a small exploratory project “Putting cybersecurity on the rights track” with the support of Mozilla. The goal of the project is to help APC develop a research and advocacy strategy to make sure that cybersecurity, policy and norms are influenced by civil society and progressive techie voices so that these policies consistently integrate a rights-based approach.

To develop this longer term strategy and larger project plan we need APC members and partners to tell us what they see as critical issues, needs, and opportunities - at national, regional and global levels.

To get your input we have developed a survey to help APC map the cybersecurity ecosystem in order to:
* •	establish who the key actors and institutions are
* •	where critical cybersecurity decisions are being made at global, regional, and national levels
* •	identify opportunities to advance human rights-based approaches to cybersecurity
* •	identify cybersecurity-related threats to human rights
* •	help identify cybersecurity-related issues and concepts for which resources (explainers, briefings, etc.) would be valuable
* •	investigate where APC should focus its further work in the area, including research
This survey should take around 30-35 minutes. We sincerely appreciate your participation by the 25th of April.

You will find it here. https://limesurvey.apc.org/index.php/984143?lang=en
Please send questions to Alex or Mehar at alex.comninos at gmail.com or mehar at apc.org

Thanks and looking forward to hearing from you!

"Putting cybersecurity on the rights track" project team
Anriette Esterhuysen; Deborah Brown; Alex Comninos (researcher) and Mehar Gujral (policy analyst intern)

I am transitioning to a new email address: hello at alex.africa

> On 12 Apr 2019, at 18:17, Alex Comninos <alex.comninos at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear All, 
> 
> APC is implementing a small exploratory project “Putting cybersecurity on the rights track” with the support of Mozilla. The goal of the project is to help APC develop a research and advocacy strategy to make sure that cybersecurity, policy and norms are influenced by civil society and progressive techie voices so that these policies consistently integrate a rights-based approach.
> 
> To develop this longer term strategy and larger project plan we need APC members and partners to tell us what they see as critical issues, needs, and opportunities - at national, regional and global levels.
> 
> To get your input we have developed a survey to help APC map the cybersecurity ecosystem in order to:
> * establish who the key actors and institutions are
> * where critical cybersecurity decisions are being made at global, regional, and national levels
> * identify opportunities to advance human rights-based approaches to cybersecurity
> * identify cybersecurity-related threats to human rights
> * help identify cybersecurity-related issues and concepts for which resources (explainers, briefings, etc.) would be valuable
> * investigate where APC should focus its further work in the area, including research
> This survey should take around 30-35 minutes. We sincerely appreciate your participation by next Wednesday, April 17.
> 
> You will find it here. https://limesurvey.apc.org/index.php/984143?lang=en
> Please send questions to Alex or Mehar at alex.comninos at gmail.com or mehar at apc.org
> 
> Thanks and looking forward to hearing from you!
> 
> "Putting cybersecurity on the rights track" project team
> Anriette Esterhuysen; Deborah Brown; Alex Comninos (researche consultant) and Mehar Gujral (policy analyst intern)
> --
> Alex Comninos
> http://alex.africa
> 
> I am transitioning to a new email address: hello at alex.africa
> 


From 6.internet at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 12:37:05 2019
From: 6.internet at gmail.com (sivasubramanian muthusamy)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 22:07:05 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] Reminder: Survey on "Putting cybersecurity on the
 rights track"
In-Reply-To: <E904069D-10F0-40B8-B4AC-F30663947221@gmail.com>
References: <744102A3-D647-4A47-B580-447353D14CB9@gmail.com> <E904069D-10F0-40B8-B4AC-F30663947221@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKsgsGyUkmadh-iP=2ESZBAGFNPDMgzFo02aT3kTGhbbLaTL9A@mail.gmail.com>

I am on Question 23, what is the total number of questions please?

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 8:33 PM Alex Comninos <alex.comninos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> We would like to extend participation in the survey and thus extend the
> deadline to the 25 of April at 23:59 UTC.
>
> To all of you who have filled out the survey, we thank you very much and
> are excited to analyse your inputs.
>
> Please let s know if you have any problems with the survey or general
> feedback on the survey. We look forward to your responses, below is the
> invitation to the survey.
>
> The survey is explained as in the original email below:
>
> APC is implementing a small exploratory project “Putting cybersecurity on
> the rights track” with the support of Mozilla. The goal of the project is
> to help APC develop a research and advocacy strategy to make sure that
> cybersecurity, policy and norms are influenced by civil society and
> progressive techie voices so that these policies consistently integrate a
> rights-based approach.
>
> To develop this longer term strategy and larger project plan we need APC
> members and partners to tell us what they see as critical issues, needs,
> and opportunities - at national, regional and global levels.
>
> To get your input we have developed a survey to help APC map the
> cybersecurity ecosystem in order to:
> * •     establish who the key actors and institutions are
> * •     where critical cybersecurity decisions are being made at global,
> regional, and national levels
> * •     identify opportunities to advance human rights-based approaches to
> cybersecurity
> * •     identify cybersecurity-related threats to human rights
> * •     help identify cybersecurity-related issues and concepts for which
> resources (explainers, briefings, etc.) would be valuable
> * •     investigate where APC should focus its further work in the area,
> including research
> This survey should take around 30-35 minutes. We sincerely appreciate your
> participation by the 25th of April.
>
> You will find it here. https://limesurvey.apc.org/index.php/984143?lang=en
> Please send questions to Alex or Mehar at alex.comninos at gmail.com or
> mehar at apc.org
>
> Thanks and looking forward to hearing from you!
>
> "Putting cybersecurity on the rights track" project team
> Anriette Esterhuysen; Deborah Brown; Alex Comninos (researcher) and Mehar
> Gujral (policy analyst intern)
>
> I am transitioning to a new email address: hello at alex.africa
>
> > On 12 Apr 2019, at 18:17, Alex Comninos <alex.comninos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > APC is implementing a small exploratory project “Putting cybersecurity
> on the rights track” with the support of Mozilla. The goal of the project
> is to help APC develop a research and advocacy strategy to make sure that
> cybersecurity, policy and norms are influenced by civil society and
> progressive techie voices so that these policies consistently integrate a
> rights-based approach.
> >
> > To develop this longer term strategy and larger project plan we need APC
> members and partners to tell us what they see as critical issues, needs,
> and opportunities - at national, regional and global levels.
> >
> > To get your input we have developed a survey to help APC map the
> cybersecurity ecosystem in order to:
> > * establish who the key actors and institutions are
> > * where critical cybersecurity decisions are being made at global,
> regional, and national levels
> > * identify opportunities to advance human rights-based approaches to
> cybersecurity
> > * identify cybersecurity-related threats to human rights
> > * help identify cybersecurity-related issues and concepts for which
> resources (explainers, briefings, etc.) would be valuable
> > * investigate where APC should focus its further work in the area,
> including research
> > This survey should take around 30-35 minutes. We sincerely appreciate
> your participation by next Wednesday, April 17.
> >
> > You will find it here.
> https://limesurvey.apc.org/index.php/984143?lang=en
> > Please send questions to Alex or Mehar at alex.comninos at gmail.com or
> mehar at apc.org
> >
> > Thanks and looking forward to hearing from you!
> >
> > "Putting cybersecurity on the rights track" project team
> > Anriette Esterhuysen; Deborah Brown; Alex Comninos (researche
> consultant) and Mehar Gujral (policy analyst intern)
> > --
> > Alex Comninos
> > http://alex.africa
> >
> > I am transitioning to a new email address: hello at alex.africa
> >
>
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From 6.Internet at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 13:29:38 2019
From: 6.Internet at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 22:59:38 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] Reminder: Survey on "Putting cybersecurity on the
 rights track"
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgsGyUkmadh-iP=2ESZBAGFNPDMgzFo02aT3kTGhbbLaTL9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <744102A3-D647-4A47-B580-447353D14CB9@gmail.com>
 <E904069D-10F0-40B8-B4AC-F30663947221@gmail.com> <CAKsgsGyUkmadh-iP=2ESZBAGFNPDMgzFo02aT3kTGhbbLaTL9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHyAo0Fv+Y-KNPJGQoPUcO7XWHTMX5jOurPRj+g-b5rEq=CyaQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am sorry, I was filling up the form from my phone that was about to
switch off and lose all form data, noticed later that there was indeed a
progress bar, skipped some questions, completed the form and submitted it
already. Please ignore the earlier question on the list.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:07 PM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am on Question 23, what is the total number of questions please?
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 8:33 PM Alex Comninos <alex.comninos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> We would like to extend participation in the survey and thus extend the
>> deadline to the 25 of April at 23:59 UTC.
>>
>> To all of you who have filled out the survey, we thank you very much and
>> are excited to analyse your inputs.
>>
>> Please let s know if you have any problems with the survey or general
>> feedback on the survey. We look forward to your responses, below is the
>> invitation to the survey.
>>
>> The survey is explained as in the original email below:
>>
>> APC is implementing a small exploratory project “Putting cybersecurity on
>> the rights track” with the support of Mozilla. The goal of the project is
>> to help APC develop a research and advocacy strategy to make sure that
>> cybersecurity, policy and norms are influenced by civil society and
>> progressive techie voices so that these policies consistently integrate a
>> rights-based approach.
>>
>> To develop this longer term strategy and larger project plan we need APC
>> members and partners to tell us what they see as critical issues, needs,
>> and opportunities - at national, regional and global levels.
>>
>> To get your input we have developed a survey to help APC map the
>> cybersecurity ecosystem in order to:
>> * •     establish who the key actors and institutions are
>> * •     where critical cybersecurity decisions are being made at global,
>> regional, and national levels
>> * •     identify opportunities to advance human rights-based approaches
>> to cybersecurity
>> * •     identify cybersecurity-related threats to human rights
>> * •     help identify cybersecurity-related issues and concepts for which
>> resources (explainers, briefings, etc.) would be valuable
>> * •     investigate where APC should focus its further work in the area,
>> including research
>> This survey should take around 30-35 minutes. We sincerely appreciate
>> your participation by the 25th of April.
>>
>> You will find it here.
>> https://limesurvey.apc.org/index.php/984143?lang=en
>> Please send questions to Alex or Mehar at alex.comninos at gmail.com or
>> mehar at apc.org
>>
>> Thanks and looking forward to hearing from you!
>>
>> "Putting cybersecurity on the rights track" project team
>> Anriette Esterhuysen; Deborah Brown; Alex Comninos (researcher) and Mehar
>> Gujral (policy analyst intern)
>>
>> I am transitioning to a new email address: hello at alex.africa
>>
>> > On 12 Apr 2019, at 18:17, Alex Comninos <alex.comninos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> > APC is implementing a small exploratory project “Putting cybersecurity
>> on the rights track” with the support of Mozilla. The goal of the project
>> is to help APC develop a research and advocacy strategy to make sure that
>> cybersecurity, policy and norms are influenced by civil society and
>> progressive techie voices so that these policies consistently integrate a
>> rights-based approach.
>> >
>> > To develop this longer term strategy and larger project plan we need
>> APC members and partners to tell us what they see as critical issues,
>> needs, and opportunities - at national, regional and global levels.
>> >
>> > To get your input we have developed a survey to help APC map the
>> cybersecurity ecosystem in order to:
>> > * establish who the key actors and institutions are
>> > * where critical cybersecurity decisions are being made at global,
>> regional, and national levels
>> > * identify opportunities to advance human rights-based approaches to
>> cybersecurity
>> > * identify cybersecurity-related threats to human rights
>> > * help identify cybersecurity-related issues and concepts for which
>> resources (explainers, briefings, etc.) would be valuable
>> > * investigate where APC should focus its further work in the area,
>> including research
>> > This survey should take around 30-35 minutes. We sincerely appreciate
>> your participation by next Wednesday, April 17.
>> >
>> > You will find it here.
>> https://limesurvey.apc.org/index.php/984143?lang=en
>> > Please send questions to Alex or Mehar at alex.comninos at gmail.com or
>> mehar at apc.org
>> >
>> > Thanks and looking forward to hearing from you!
>> >
>> > "Putting cybersecurity on the rights track" project team
>> > Anriette Esterhuysen; Deborah Brown; Alex Comninos (researche
>> consultant) and Mehar Gujral (policy analyst intern)
>> > --
>> > Alex Comninos
>> > http://alex.africa
>> >
>> > I am transitioning to a new email address: hello at alex.africa
>> >
>>
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From bestbits at lists.bestbits.net  Fri Apr 19 04:16:08 2019
From: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net (parminder (via bestbits Mailing List))
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 13:46:08 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] Save the Date: Day '0' at RightsCon- 11 June 2019 --
 Workshop on a "digital justice manifesto"
Message-ID: <3fa97c29-13a8-99db-1410-e28566214f8e@itforchange.net>

Dear All


*Join us this year at the RightsCon and be part of shaping **what
**equity and social justice means in a digital world.*
*
*
Just Net Coalition will be hosting a workshop "What social movements
need to do in the age of data? Towards a digital justice manifesto"
atDay '0' of the RightsCon Summit at Tunis this year on *11 June 2019
from 9:30-12:00 PM.* 

This event is planned as a follow up of our recently concluded three day
Workshop on Global Digital Justice in Bangkok in March 2019. We plan to
take forward one of the critical agendas that came out of the Bangkok
meeting - the need for a digital justice manifesto. Drawing from the
building blocks that came out of the meeting, our workshop at Tunis will
be aimed at further developing key categories and the framework of the
Digital Justice Manifesto.

In 2018, we successfully organized a satellite event ‘Contending with
the digital frontier – What next for social movements?’ for Day ‘0’ of
RightsCon in Toronto. The event aimed at brokering a dialogue between
actors from social movements and members of the digital rights community
and explore the possibility of creating common pathways for data and
digital justice. This year we wish to workshop the digital justice
manifesto and enrich it through the learnings from a structured
inter-movement dialogue.


If you are attending RightsCon this year, please do plan your travel to
be able to join us for this workshop and what is sure to be an engaged
and productivediscussion. Please also share widely with networks and
colleagues who are considering RightsCon on their calendar this year.

A more detailed program and agenda will follow shortly from our end. In
the meantime, we are happy to answer any questions you may have.

Best

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From alex at privacyinternational.org  Tue Apr 23 13:29:41 2019
From: alex at privacyinternational.org (Alexandrine Pirlot de Corbion)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 18:29:41 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] Opportunity at PI - Campaigns Officer
Message-ID: <912ab820-0789-f1b2-b8f2-ebff82bdf6ad@privacyinternational.org>

Hi!

With the application deadline later this week, I just wanted to flag
that Privacy International is looking to hire a Campaigns Officer.

+ Location: London, United Kingdom
+ Deadline: Thursday, 25 April 2019 at 23:59 BST
+ Full description and application details:
https://privacyinternational.org/type-resource/opportunities

Thank you for sharing.

Best,

Alex

-- 
Ms. Alexandrine Pirlot de Corbion 

Lead - Global Programme
Privacy International
62 Britton Street
London, EC1M 5UY
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 08:29:11 2019
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 08:29:11 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits:
 next steps
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I agree with Siva and Remmy BUT who is going to bell the cat? (who will do
the things suggested)
Deirdre

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 03:13, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Is there a comparitive list of best bit subscribers and IGC members? Who
> is in bestbits while not being part of IGC?
>
> Also, what are there other related CS lists discussing IG issues, if not
> comprehensively, issues such as Privacy, Security, Community Access? Why
> not invite them to be a part of a larger IG Caucus, irrespective of whether
> they physically and regularly participate in the global IGF?
>
> Is there a way of reaching out to NRIs to ask for the list of CS
> participants in NRIs?
>
> Not merely consolidate, but also expand. A wider CS could bring in
> creative solutions to the IG process and cause a balance.
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 5:56 PM Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sivasubramanian,
>> (Apologies for cross-posting)
>> Although various people have pointed to the need for a common voice for
>> civil society in this arena it really seems that there is no longer an
>> appetite for the individual effort needed for a successful collaboration of
>> this type. I would be very happy to have this opinion drowned by a chorus
>> of voices proving me wrong, but I am not expecting to hear them.
>> So I wonder if we should be looking for a new means to and a new process
>> for collaboration?
>> Should this be included in the agenda under 2 - Concrete ways forward?
>> I don't have any real suggestions. I think that, more now than before,
>> the process depends on individuals being willing to make a commitment of
>> time energy and effort, and that this is happening in a context where the
>> general ethos has lost its encouragement of sharing and communal energy.
>> It needs to become possible again to perceive a common good. Should this
>> happen by painstakingly linking very small local initiatives, where the
>> "common good" is easy to see, rather than attempting things on a global
>> scale (which in fact is "top down")?
>> Hopefully the discussion on 9th will take us nearer to a solution.
>> Best wishes
>> Deirdre
>>
>> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 16:41, Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only about 8
>>> respondents.
>>>
>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>>>> forward.
>>>>
>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
>>>> set up a room.
>>>>
>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>
>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have attached
>>>>> the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included at the
>>>>> top in case useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half spent
>>>>> discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1 hour) and
>>>>> the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other key
>>>>> members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>>>
>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way to
>>>>> promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change the
>>>>> current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way forward
>>>>> which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible range of
>>>>> opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed, please do
>>>>> chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up call.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great to
>>>>>> hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill out
>>>>>> the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to those
>>>>>>> who have responded already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can, by
>>>>>>> using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set of
>>>>>>> discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a survey
>>>>>>>> below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a call on
>>>>>>>> February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it was
>>>>>>>> agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any questions
>>>>>>>> at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and IGC
>>>>>>>>> have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives, particularly
>>>>>>>>> when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a survey to both
>>>>>>>>> lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward which were
>>>>>>>>> discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with the broader
>>>>>>>>> communities feed into a decision on the future of the platforms. The survey
>>>>>>>>> will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,  and your participation
>>>>>>>>> would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time for
>>>>>>>>>>> the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full details of
>>>>>>>>>>> the call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward to
>>>>>>>>>>> speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will appear
>>>>>>>>>>> on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the link with
>>>>>>>>>>> the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if you do not
>>>>>>>>>>> want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you call in.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing devices:
>>>>>>>>>>> pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and I've
>>>>>>>>>>> also added the names of those who indicated they were available for the
>>>>>>>>>>> call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the call
>>>>>>>>>>> without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea of
>>>>>>>>>>> numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>> to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base again
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to decide
>>>>>>>>>>>> next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we suggest
>>>>>>>>>>>> only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to some IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>> folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next week
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and find a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and informal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could resuscitate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -O -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
>> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>
>

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From JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org  Wed Apr 24 13:52:03 2019
From: JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Jean_F=2E_Qu=C3=A9ralt?=)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 01:52:03 +0800
Subject: [bestbits] TIOF - TOR training at RightsCon.
In-Reply-To: <CACuyrh-B3reWkk0HdoNnTH_P6Cv78dDZmzBJhF_zPjVA-OtLCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACuyrh-B3reWkk0HdoNnTH_P6Cv78dDZmzBJhF_zPjVA-OtLCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACuyrh_v2ZQsF3eXqiUMxC=saD+0MtPdpC3HhoMAoXvJX=nrVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

Concerning this session, please find here a link to a shared document where
I'll be updating details as things advance.
For those interested in attending, please leave the necessary information
there.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VUfSzEHUl4852ycqzdIUy5Au9j5rCxJqe6ITl7Kz6ac/edit?usp=sharing

@Carolina & Nikki:
Thanks for the support shown.

Concerning RiseUp:
I can't say if members there are receiving emails as all I get are
moderation notifications. Can anyone who is in BB AND RiseUp contact me to
confirm if the invitation is reaching there?

Thank you.

Best,
Jean




On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 7:04 AM Jean F. Quéralt <
JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> During a session today at IFF with some TOR members I've proposed to
> consider a training on TOR for Civil Society since RightsCon was in their
> agenda.
>
> I'll probably meet them tomorrow and will raise this option again so I'd
> like to know how many of you, tentatively, would be interested in this.
>
> @Carolina & Nikki:
> Should this move forward, would it be possible to arrange for a space?
>
> @RiseUp: I am not familiar with your distribution list so I am not sure
> this is the right channel to address this proposal. I have decided to give
> it a try for considering that it's worth asking. Please advise if I should
> have proceeded differently.
>
> Best,
> Jean
>
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From daniela at gp-digital.org  Thu Apr 25 04:19:01 2019
From: daniela at gp-digital.org (Daniela Schnidrig)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:19:01 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] We need your input: Survey on "Putting cybersecurity
 on the rights track"
In-Reply-To: <744102A3-D647-4A47-B580-447353D14CB9@gmail.com>
References: <744102A3-D647-4A47-B580-447353D14CB9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKML+0UeqfK2fE1PcgiJEoCrhnKqvN1K4J6879GvzW8XVW6fYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Alex,


Thank you for sharing your project on “Putting cybersecurity on the rights
track”.  It looks like a great initiative and it’s positive to see more
groups engaging on this issue.


We know there are some groups already working on these topics, and thought
you might be interested in GPD’s portfolio on cybersecurity and human
rights which we have been running since 2014.


More information can be found on our website [
https://www.gp-digital.org/insight/cybersecurity] where we showcase some of
our publications and tools on cybersecurity and human rights [
https://www.gp-digital.org/publication/travel-guide-to-the-digital-world-cybersecurity-policy-for-human-rights-defenders/],
and on engaging in cybersecurity policy and strategy [
https://www.gp-digital.org/publication/multistakeholder-approaches-to-national-cybersecurity-strategy-development/
].


Best wishes

Daniela

On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 17:17, Alex Comninos <alex.comninos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> APC is implementing a small exploratory project “Putting cybersecurity on
> the rights track” with the support of Mozilla. The goal of the project is
> to help APC develop a research and advocacy strategy to make sure that
> cybersecurity, policy and norms are influenced by civil society and
> progressive techie voices so that these policies consistently integrate a
> rights-based approach.
>
> To develop this longer term strategy and larger project plan we need APC
> members and partners to tell us what they see as critical issues, needs,
> and opportunities - at national, regional and global levels.
>
> To get your input we have developed a survey to help APC map the
> cybersecurity ecosystem in order to:
> * establish who the key actors and institutions are
> * where critical cybersecurity decisions are being made at global,
> regional, and national levels
> * identify opportunities to advance human rights-based approaches to
> cybersecurity
> * identify cybersecurity-related threats to human rights
> * help identify cybersecurity-related issues and concepts for which
> resources (explainers, briefings, etc.) would be valuable
> * investigate where APC should focus its further work in the area,
> including research
> This survey should take around 30-35 minutes. We sincerely appreciate your
> participation by next Wednesday, April 17.
>
> You will find it here. https://limesurvey.apc.org/index.php/984143?lang=en
> Please send questions to Alex or Mehar at alex.comninos at gmail.com or
> mehar at apc.org
>
> Thanks and looking forward to hearing from you!
>
> "Putting cybersecurity on the rights track" project team
> Anriette Esterhuysen; Deborah Brown; Alex Comninos (researche consultant)
> and Mehar Gujral (policy analyst intern)
> --
> Alex Comninos
> http://alex.africa
>
> I am transitioning to a new email address: hello at alex.africa
>
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Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
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From sheetal at gp-digital.org  Mon Apr 29 13:40:25 2019
From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 18:40:25 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] [Invitation]: Call on UNSG High Level Panel on digital
 cooperation draft report
Message-ID: <CAK78muQnXoXuOxnGncJ+hX-sK6+RwF3LMP++cDFjLTw7Fs8MBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

For anyone interested in commenting on the draft report of the UNSG's High
Level Panel on Digital Cooperation, they have agreed to host a call with
wider civil society on *02 May, Thursday 13:00 UTC*.

On this call, they'll present three models for digital cooperation which
form part of the report as well as the values and principles section of the
report.

If you're interested in attending, they've requested to do it on a
first-come, first served basis so please reply to me on this thread if you
want to join and I'll share the joining details.

Unfortunately there isn't any material that can be shared from the report
beforehand but there is some information here:
https://dig.watch/sessions/road-testing-governance-models-secretary-general%E2%80%99s-high-level-panel-digital-cooperation


Best
Sheetal.

-- 


*Sheetal Kumar*
Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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From 6.internet at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 14:12:44 2019
From: 6.internet at gmail.com (sivasubramanian muthusamy)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 23:42:44 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [Invitation]: Call on UNSG High Level Panel on
 digital cooperation draft report
In-Reply-To: <CAK78muQnXoXuOxnGncJ+hX-sK6+RwF3LMP++cDFjLTw7Fs8MBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK78muQnXoXuOxnGncJ+hX-sK6+RwF3LMP++cDFjLTw7Fs8MBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKsgsGwySwAMCmX_k7ZxSsccfGY+TUYPqdYXATuME+5GdLV5rg@mail.gmail.com>

Sheetal

I wish to join this call.

Thank you

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 11:10 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> For anyone interested in commenting on the draft report of the UNSG's High
> Level Panel on Digital Cooperation, they have agreed to host a call with
> wider civil society on *02 May, Thursday 13:00 UTC*.
>
> On this call, they'll present three models for digital cooperation which
> form part of the report as well as the values and principles section of the
> report.
>
> If you're interested in attending, they've requested to do it on a
> first-come, first served basis so please reply to me on this thread if you
> want to join and I'll share the joining details.
>
> Unfortunately there isn't any material that can be shared from the report
> beforehand but there is some information here: https://dig.watch/sessions/road-testing-governance-models-secretary-general%E2%80%99s-high-level-panel-digital-cooperation
>
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>
> ____________________________________________________________
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From jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org  Tue Apr 30 23:56:26 2019
From: jfqueralt at theiofoundation.org (=?UTF-8?B?SmVhbiBGLiBRdcOpcmFsdA==?=)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 11:56:26 +0800
Subject: [bestbits] [Invitation]: Call on UNSG High Level Panel on
 digital cooperation draft report
In-Reply-To: <CAK78muQnXoXuOxnGncJ+hX-sK6+RwF3LMP++cDFjLTw7Fs8MBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK78muQnXoXuOxnGncJ+hX-sK6+RwF3LMP++cDFjLTw7Fs8MBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16a71894e28.2824.705b097764579b2584e3d1b2b46a90a4@theiofoundation.org>

Hi, Sheetal.

Count me in.

Best,
Jean

On April 30, 2019 01:40:51 Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> For anyone interested in commenting on the draft report of the UNSG's High 
> Level Panel on Digital Cooperation, they have agreed to host a call with 
> wider civil society on 02 May, Thursday 13:00 UTC.
>
> On this call, they'll present three models for digital cooperation which 
> form part of the report as well as the values and principles section of the 
> report.
>
> If you're interested in attending, they've requested to do it on a 
> first-come, first served basis so please reply to me on this thread if you 
> want to join and I'll share the joining details.
>
> Unfortunately there isn't any material that can be shared from the report 
> beforehand but there is some information here: 
> https://dig.watch/sessions/road-testing-governance-models-secretary-general%E2%80%99s-high-level-panel-digital-cooperation
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
> Sheetal Kumar
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITALSecond Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, 
> London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F 
> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>
> ____________________________________________________________
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From 6.internet at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 08:40:49 2019
From: 6.internet at gmail.com (sivasubramanian muthusamy)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 18:10:49 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits:
 next steps
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I suggest we reach out to some of the WSIS time CS leaders who built the
IGC to step in and direct the course of action.

Also, is there a way to draw up a spread sheet to find how many are not
subscribed to both the lists?

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 5:59 PM Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree with Siva and Remmy BUT who is going to bell the cat? (who will do
> the things suggested)
> Deirdre
>
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 03:13, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there a comparitive list of best bit subscribers and IGC members? Who
>> is in bestbits while not being part of IGC?
>>
>> Also, what are there other related CS lists discussing IG issues, if not
>> comprehensively, issues such as Privacy, Security, Community Access? Why
>> not invite them to be a part of a larger IG Caucus, irrespective of whether
>> they physically and regularly participate in the global IGF?
>>
>> Is there a way of reaching out to NRIs to ask for the list of CS
>> participants in NRIs?
>>
>> Not merely consolidate, but also expand. A wider CS could bring in
>> creative solutions to the IG process and cause a balance.
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 5:56 PM Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Sivasubramanian,
>>> (Apologies for cross-posting)
>>> Although various people have pointed to the need for a common voice for
>>> civil society in this arena it really seems that there is no longer an
>>> appetite for the individual effort needed for a successful collaboration of
>>> this type. I would be very happy to have this opinion drowned by a chorus
>>> of voices proving me wrong, but I am not expecting to hear them.
>>> So I wonder if we should be looking for a new means to and a new process
>>> for collaboration?
>>> Should this be included in the agenda under 2 - Concrete ways forward?
>>> I don't have any real suggestions. I think that, more now than before,
>>> the process depends on individuals being willing to make a commitment of
>>> time energy and effort, and that this is happening in a context where the
>>> general ethos has lost its encouragement of sharing and communal energy.
>>> It needs to become possible again to perceive a common good. Should this
>>> happen by painstakingly linking very small local initiatives, where the
>>> "common good" is easy to see, rather than attempting things on a global
>>> scale (which in fact is "top down")?
>>> Hopefully the discussion on 9th will take us nearer to a solution.
>>> Best wishes
>>> Deirdre
>>>
>>> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 16:41, Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only about
>>>> 8 respondents.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>>
>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>>>>> forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
>>>>> set up a room.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>>
>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way to
>>>>>> promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change the
>>>>>> current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way forward
>>>>>> which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible range of
>>>>>> opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed, please do
>>>>>> chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great to
>>>>>>> hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill out
>>>>>>> the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to those
>>>>>>>> who have responded already.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can,
>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set
>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any questions
>>>>>>>>> at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full details
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward to
>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will appear
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the link with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if you do not
>>>>>>>>>>>> want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you call in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing devices:
>>>>>>>>>>>> pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> also added the names of those who indicated they were available for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the call
>>>>>>>>>>>> without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea of
>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base again
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to decide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we suggest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to some IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next week
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and informal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could resuscitate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -O -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>
>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir
>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>
>>
>
> --
> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
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From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:26:23 -0400
Subject: [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits:
 next steps
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I suspect that the actors that we have are the ones who are "here"; there
has already been a protest in this discussion against looking to the "old
ones" for guidance.
In the matter of the membership lists - my (very unreliable) memory
suggests that there was formerly an issue of privacy about membership? (Can
anyone help with this? Imran? Jeremy?) For myself I have always followed
several of the discussions - IGC, then Bestbits, then JNC. The groups that
broke away from IGC to an extent carried a particular perspective with
them; to get a comprehensive view it was important for me to listen to
everyone in so far as that is possible. However, as Siva pointed out
earlier, those three groups are NOT the whole of civil society (which is
part of my concern about CSCG, which includes APC and NCUC but is still a
long way from "all".)
We could begin by asking those taking part in this current discussion to
declare their affiliations?
That's the best I can suggest at the moment :-)
Deirdre

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 08:41, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I suggest we reach out to some of the WSIS time CS leaders who built the
> IGC to step in and direct the course of action.
>
> Also, is there a way to draw up a spread sheet to find how many are not
> subscribed to both the lists?
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 5:59 PM Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Siva and Remmy BUT who is going to bell the cat? (who will
>> do the things suggested)
>> Deirdre
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 03:13, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a comparitive list of best bit subscribers and IGC members? Who
>>> is in bestbits while not being part of IGC?
>>>
>>> Also, what are there other related CS lists discussing IG issues, if not
>>> comprehensively, issues such as Privacy, Security, Community Access? Why
>>> not invite them to be a part of a larger IG Caucus, irrespective of whether
>>> they physically and regularly participate in the global IGF?
>>>
>>> Is there a way of reaching out to NRIs to ask for the list of CS
>>> participants in NRIs?
>>>
>>> Not merely consolidate, but also expand. A wider CS could bring in
>>> creative solutions to the IG process and cause a balance.
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 5:56 PM Deirdre Williams <
>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Sivasubramanian,
>>>> (Apologies for cross-posting)
>>>> Although various people have pointed to the need for a common voice for
>>>> civil society in this arena it really seems that there is no longer an
>>>> appetite for the individual effort needed for a successful collaboration of
>>>> this type. I would be very happy to have this opinion drowned by a chorus
>>>> of voices proving me wrong, but I am not expecting to hear them.
>>>> So I wonder if we should be looking for a new means to and a new
>>>> process for collaboration?
>>>> Should this be included in the agenda under 2 - Concrete ways forward?
>>>> I don't have any real suggestions. I think that, more now than before,
>>>> the process depends on individuals being willing to make a commitment of
>>>> time energy and effort, and that this is happening in a context where the
>>>> general ethos has lost its encouragement of sharing and communal energy.
>>>> It needs to become possible again to perceive a common good. Should
>>>> this happen by painstakingly linking very small local initiatives, where
>>>> the "common good" is easy to see, rather than attempting things on a global
>>>> scale (which in fact is "top down")?
>>>> Hopefully the discussion on 9th will take us nearer to a solution.
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> Deirdre
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 16:41, Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only about
>>>>> 8 respondents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>>>
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
>>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to those
>>>>>>>>> who have responded already.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can,
>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set
>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any questions
>>>>>>>>>> at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full details
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will appear
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the link with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if you do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you call in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing devices:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also added the names of those who indicated they were available for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the call
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to decide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we suggest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to some IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -O -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir
>>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
>> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 17:22:12 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits:
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Dear Siva, Deirdre, all

Thanks for your emails and suggestions for how to do some outreach to
relevant CS stakeholders. In terms of why this email just went to the
Bestbits list, that's because it started out as a discussion on the future
of Bestbits. The Steering Committee had been dormant, and last year the
typical pre-IGF meeting didn't happen as usual. It does implicate other
groups and so far the suggestions (for example of 'merging' with IGC) have
implicated others but no decision has been made yet on that way forward.
Saying that, founding IGC members have been part of these discussions so
far. There is cross-over in terms of subscribers but the discussion so far
has considered what the particular mandates/particularities of each group
are and whether they're distinct enough to keep them separate and even if
so, whether there's the will to do the coordination work needed and whether
the current structures are the rights ones to do whatever coordination work
is needed. If we got to the stage of merging/disbanding etc I think that
would be a good juncture at which to look at the membership.

I personally am happy for the discussion to be broadened and would welcome
the sharing of the call with the IGC at least. I see they are looped in
here. The call is scheduled for *10 April at 13:00 UTC.* I'll get back with
meeting room details before the end of the week.

Please do share. It would be great if those who have been attending the
previous calls can also attend these to ensure continuity in discussions.

Best
Sheetal

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 14:26, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I suspect that the actors that we have are the ones who are "here"; there
> has already been a protest in this discussion against looking to the "old
> ones" for guidance.
> In the matter of the membership lists - my (very unreliable) memory
> suggests that there was formerly an issue of privacy about membership? (Can
> anyone help with this? Imran? Jeremy?) For myself I have always followed
> several of the discussions - IGC, then Bestbits, then JNC. The groups that
> broke away from IGC to an extent carried a particular perspective with
> them; to get a comprehensive view it was important for me to listen to
> everyone in so far as that is possible. However, as Siva pointed out
> earlier, those three groups are NOT the whole of civil society (which is
> part of my concern about CSCG, which includes APC and NCUC but is still a
> long way from "all".)
> We could begin by asking those taking part in this current discussion to
> declare their affiliations?
> That's the best I can suggest at the moment :-)
> Deirdre
>
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 08:41, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I suggest we reach out to some of the WSIS time CS leaders who built the
>> IGC to step in and direct the course of action.
>>
>> Also, is there a way to draw up a spread sheet to find how many are not
>> subscribed to both the lists?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 5:59 PM Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Siva and Remmy BUT who is going to bell the cat? (who will
>>> do the things suggested)
>>> Deirdre
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 03:13, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a comparitive list of best bit subscribers and IGC members?
>>>> Who is in bestbits while not being part of IGC?
>>>>
>>>> Also, what are there other related CS lists discussing IG issues, if
>>>> not comprehensively, issues such as Privacy, Security, Community Access?
>>>> Why not invite them to be a part of a larger IG Caucus, irrespective of
>>>> whether they physically and regularly participate in the global IGF?
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way of reaching out to NRIs to ask for the list of CS
>>>> participants in NRIs?
>>>>
>>>> Not merely consolidate, but also expand. A wider CS could bring in
>>>> creative solutions to the IG process and cause a balance.
>>>>
>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>
>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 5:56 PM Deirdre Williams <
>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Sivasubramanian,
>>>>> (Apologies for cross-posting)
>>>>> Although various people have pointed to the need for a common voice
>>>>> for civil society in this arena it really seems that there is no longer an
>>>>> appetite for the individual effort needed for a successful collaboration of
>>>>> this type. I would be very happy to have this opinion drowned by a chorus
>>>>> of voices proving me wrong, but I am not expecting to hear them.
>>>>> So I wonder if we should be looking for a new means to and a new
>>>>> process for collaboration?
>>>>> Should this be included in the agenda under 2 - Concrete ways forward?
>>>>> I don't have any real suggestions. I think that, more now than before,
>>>>> the process depends on individuals being willing to make a commitment of
>>>>> time energy and effort, and that this is happening in a context where the
>>>>> general ethos has lost its encouragement of sharing and communal energy.
>>>>> It needs to become possible again to perceive a common good. Should
>>>>> this happen by painstakingly linking very small local initiatives, where
>>>>> the "common good" is easy to see, rather than attempting things on a global
>>>>> scale (which in fact is "top down")?
>>>>> Hopefully the discussion on 9th will take us nearer to a solution.
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 16:41, Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
>>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
>>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
>>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
>>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
>>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
>>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
>>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
>>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
>>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
>>>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
>>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
>>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
>>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can,
>>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set
>>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
>>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
>>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they were available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir
>>>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir
>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>
>>
>
> --
> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>


-- 


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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 00:25:30 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits:
 next steps
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Dear all,

From the perspective of someone who is new in the space and who is sorta
self-censoring myself for feeling that it's too early to bring a meaningful
contribution, I gotta say that the general silence of the list is rather
discouraging. Some members are putting energy into getting this discussion
done (to which ever end it may lead) and we should be actively contributing
IF we are all sharing the feeling that being uncoordinated we are less
effective.

I think we can do a bit better than this and I'd encourage everyone to
provide more inputs and to the very least make their presence be felt so
that those who are investing time and energies can feel this has a tangible
outcome.

I do not hold definitive answers to this situation and I can only hope that
we can find a proper way to coordinate. I do not know if there have been
personal disputes, differences of objectives, ideological clashes or what
have you... and at this point I am too afraid to ask. I'd hope, though,
that we set all those aside and attend to the meeting.

Best,


On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 6:22 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:

> Dear Siva, Deirdre, all
>
> Thanks for your emails and suggestions for how to do some outreach to
> relevant CS stakeholders. In terms of why this email just went to the
> Bestbits list, that's because it started out as a discussion on the future
> of Bestbits. The Steering Committee had been dormant, and last year the
> typical pre-IGF meeting didn't happen as usual. It does implicate other
> groups and so far the suggestions (for example of 'merging' with IGC) have
> implicated others but no decision has been made yet on that way forward.
> Saying that, founding IGC members have been part of these discussions so
> far. There is cross-over in terms of subscribers but the discussion so far
> has considered what the particular mandates/particularities of each group
> are and whether they're distinct enough to keep them separate and even if
> so, whether there's the will to do the coordination work needed and whether
> the current structures are the rights ones to do whatever coordination work
> is needed. If we got to the stage of merging/disbanding etc I think that
> would be a good juncture at which to look at the membership.
>
> I personally am happy for the discussion to be broadened and would welcome
> the sharing of the call with the IGC at least. I see they are looped in
> here. The call is scheduled for *10 April at 13:00 UTC.* I'll get back
> with meeting room details before the end of the week.
>
> Please do share. It would be great if those who have been attending the
> previous calls can also attend these to ensure continuity in discussions.
>
> Best
> Sheetal
>
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 14:26, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I suspect that the actors that we have are the ones who are "here"; there
>> has already been a protest in this discussion against looking to the "old
>> ones" for guidance.
>> In the matter of the membership lists - my (very unreliable) memory
>> suggests that there was formerly an issue of privacy about membership? (Can
>> anyone help with this? Imran? Jeremy?) For myself I have always followed
>> several of the discussions - IGC, then Bestbits, then JNC. The groups that
>> broke away from IGC to an extent carried a particular perspective with
>> them; to get a comprehensive view it was important for me to listen to
>> everyone in so far as that is possible. However, as Siva pointed out
>> earlier, those three groups are NOT the whole of civil society (which is
>> part of my concern about CSCG, which includes APC and NCUC but is still a
>> long way from "all".)
>> We could begin by asking those taking part in this current discussion to
>> declare their affiliations?
>> That's the best I can suggest at the moment :-)
>> Deirdre
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 08:41, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I suggest we reach out to some of the WSIS time CS leaders who built the
>>> IGC to step in and direct the course of action.
>>>
>>> Also, is there a way to draw up a spread sheet to find how many are not
>>> subscribed to both the lists?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 5:59 PM Deirdre Williams <
>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with Siva and Remmy BUT who is going to bell the cat? (who will
>>>> do the things suggested)
>>>> Deirdre
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 03:13, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a comparitive list of best bit subscribers and IGC members?
>>>>> Who is in bestbits while not being part of IGC?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, what are there other related CS lists discussing IG issues, if
>>>>> not comprehensively, issues such as Privacy, Security, Community Access?
>>>>> Why not invite them to be a part of a larger IG Caucus, irrespective of
>>>>> whether they physically and regularly participate in the global IGF?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way of reaching out to NRIs to ask for the list of CS
>>>>> participants in NRIs?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not merely consolidate, but also expand. A wider CS could bring in
>>>>> creative solutions to the IG process and cause a balance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 5:56 PM Deirdre Williams <
>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Sivasubramanian,
>>>>>> (Apologies for cross-posting)
>>>>>> Although various people have pointed to the need for a common voice
>>>>>> for civil society in this arena it really seems that there is no longer an
>>>>>> appetite for the individual effort needed for a successful collaboration of
>>>>>> this type. I would be very happy to have this opinion drowned by a chorus
>>>>>> of voices proving me wrong, but I am not expecting to hear them.
>>>>>> So I wonder if we should be looking for a new means to and a new
>>>>>> process for collaboration?
>>>>>> Should this be included in the agenda under 2 - Concrete ways forward?
>>>>>> I don't have any real suggestions. I think that, more now than
>>>>>> before, the process depends on individuals being willing to make a
>>>>>> commitment of time energy and effort, and that this is happening in a
>>>>>> context where the general ethos has lost its encouragement of sharing and
>>>>>> communal energy.
>>>>>> It needs to become possible again to perceive a common good. Should
>>>>>> this happen by painstakingly linking very small local initiatives, where
>>>>>> the "common good" is easy to see, rather than attempting things on a global
>>>>>> scale (which in fact is "top down")?
>>>>>> Hopefully the discussion on 9th will take us nearer to a solution.
>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 16:41, Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
>>>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>>>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>>>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>>>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>>>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>>>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
>>>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
>>>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>>>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
>>>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
>>>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
>>>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
>>>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
>>>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
>>>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
>>>>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
>>>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide
>>>>>>>>>> next steps next week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
>>>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you
>>>>>>>>>>> can, by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next
>>>>>>>>>>> set of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
>>>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
>>>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they were available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ITU WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in us investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir
>>>>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir
>>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
>> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>
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