From joly at punkcast.com Mon Oct 1 05:59:03 2018 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 05:59:03 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] WEBCAST MONDAY: UN High-Level Panel on Digital Cooperation: Virtual Town Hall Meeting Message-ID: The first one of these sessions is available on the webcast link, and also via twitter . Second is at noon EDT, [image: UN-HLP-DC livestream] Today *Monday October 1 2018* the *United Nations High-level Panel on Digital Cooperation *, following its recent *first meeting * in NYC, will hold a *Virtual Town Hall *. This will comprise two sessions to accommodate differing timezones, both of which will comprise a briefing and Q&A facilitated by co-executive director *Dr Jovan Kurbalija*. The sessions will be captured and webcast via the *Internet Society Livestream Channel *. *WHAT: United Nations High-level Panel on Digital Cooperation Virtual Town HallWHERE: WebexWHEN: Monday October 1 2018 08:00 UTC & 16:00 UTC | 04:00 & 12:00 EDTWATCH: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/DigitalCooperation TWITTER: #DigitalCooperation http://bit.ly/digitalcooperation * *Permalink* https://isoc.live/10561/ - -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ca at cafonso.ca Sat Oct 27 10:29:02 2018 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos Afonso) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:29:02 -0300 Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror Message-ID: Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in English) is an accurate review: https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro The article is also attached in PDF. Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. fraternal regards --c.a. -- Carlos A. Afonso [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Carlos Afonso" To: "BestBits List" Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror >Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen >in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. > >Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who >opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça >(in >English) is an accurate review: > >https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro > >The article is also attached in PDF. > >Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who >can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our >multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of >Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. > >fraternal regards > >--c.a. > >-- > >Carlos A. Afonso >[emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em >contrário] >[emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] > >Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br >ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sylvia at apnic.net Sun Oct 28 21:23:33 2018 From: sylvia at apnic.net (Sylvia Cadena) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 01:23:33 +0000 Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A1D08BA-E0C4-4E47-BB3A-A551E8E1868D@apnic.net> Following the news with real concern, dear Carlos. Just left without words at the grim future as he has been declared president. Wishing you and all the dear colleagues and friends in Brazil that have worked so hard for human rights that all your fears do not come true, and more importantly that people are safe, free and able to continue to do their work. Regards, Sylvia --------- Sylvia Cadena | APNIC Foundation - Head of Programs | sylvia at apnic.net | http://www.apnic.foundation ISIF Asia, WSIS Champion on International Cooperation 2018 | http://www.isif.asia | FB ISIF.asia | @ISIF_Asia | G+ ISIFAsia | 6 Cordelia Street, South Brisbane, QLD, 4101 Australia | PO Box 3646 | +10 GMT | skypeID: sylviacadena | Tel: +61 7 3858 3100 | Fax: +61 7 3858 3199 * Love trees. Print only if necessary. From: "bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net" on behalf of Ian Peter Reply-To: Ian Peter Date: Monday, 29 October 2018 at 8:18 am To: Carlos Afonso , Bestbits Subject: Re: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem commonplace these days. Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet governance initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this change. Certainly what has been achieved in the past sets a great example and part of history which I hope is not forgotten. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Carlos Afonso" > To: "BestBits List" > Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in English) is an accurate review: https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro The article is also attached in PDF. Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. fraternal regards --c.a. -- Carlos A. Afonso [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Sun Oct 28 21:38:14 2018 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:08:14 +0530 Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70e800fd-4b8a-5d95-e20f-9f79177242c4@itforchange.net> My regrets, Carlos, and to Brazilians, with the feared news having been delivered now... This is the letter that Walden Bello, a key progressive thinker wrote 2 days back A Letter to Brazil, From a Friend Living Under Duterte carrying important messages. And since true regret should come with analysis of what and why:  Salvoj Zizek said in a different but connected context that "Clinton is the problem not Trump ". This is unthinkably bad, and also one can see that there is a pattern that is repeating at many places which bespeaks underlying historic-political causes. There is no time to slump with hopelessness, we must get up, claim and reclaim, build and rebuild...... With best wishes, parminder On 27/10/18 7:59 PM, Carlos Afonso wrote: > Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen > in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. > > Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who > opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in > English) is an accurate review: > > https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro > > The article is also attached in PDF. > > Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who > can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our > multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of > Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolina.rossini at gmail.com Sun Oct 28 21:44:05 2018 From: carolina.rossini at gmail.com (Carolina Rossini) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:44:05 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: <70e800fd-4b8a-5d95-e20f-9f79177242c4@itforchange.net> References: <70e800fd-4b8a-5d95-e20f-9f79177242c4@itforchange.net> Message-ID: I am simply terrified https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/world/americas/jair-bolsonaro-brazil-election-women.html On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM parminder wrote: > My regrets, Carlos, and to Brazilians, with the feared news having been > delivered now... > > This is the letter that Walden Bello, a key progressive thinker wrote 2 > days back > > A Letter to Brazil, From a Friend Living Under Duterte > > > carrying important messages. > > And since true regret should come with analysis of what and why: Salvoj > Zizek said in a different but connected context that " Clinton is the > problem not Trump > ". > > > This is unthinkably bad, and also one can see that there is a pattern that > is repeating at many places which bespeaks underlying historic-political > causes. There is no time to slump with hopelessness, we must get up, claim > and reclaim, build and rebuild...... > > With best wishes, parminder > > > On 27/10/18 7:59 PM, Carlos Afonso wrote: > > Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen > in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. > > Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who > opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in > English) is an accurate review: > https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro > > The article is also attached in PDF. > > Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who > can choose between prison and exile. 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URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Sun Oct 28 22:13:29 2018 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:43:29 +0530 Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem > commonplace these days.  > > Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet > governance initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this > change. Certainly what has been achieved in the past sets a great > example and part of history which I hope is not forgotten. > > Ian I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro forma regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any real hope.... Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a lurch to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and released from its responsibilities. The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often using the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- where market without political governance was to be the defender of rights! This is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- only civil and political ones and not social and economic ones, which have openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot ask me for real examples, bec I have followed this and I know many.... Ok, take two, the very concept and not just the real implementation of 'public interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many CS stalwarts of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social justice' is a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) were circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights get mentioned along with civil and public rights in the conf document there wasnt much sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all progressive civil society is fighting for a binding treaty on human rights abuses by corporations, key leaders write here why any such thing is a bad idea .... .I can go on  and on ... And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of progressive and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite has brought on us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests (Zizek's 'Clinton not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal excesses in the only ways they could think of, or were made available to them, however deleterious the results are finally going to be for them. But lets not look away from what or who is responsible here..... When we seethe  market, the embodiment of un-restrained self-interest, as the institution that will govern us in all areas (which is the definition of neoliberalism) including of rights, welfare, etc, then one can very well expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, well self-interest, fine, this is what it politically is, everyone fending for oneself and one's narrow interests, and avowedly and unabashedly so ...  Trump and Bolsorno are the other side of the same trans-national neo-liberalism of which Internet governance space has been a key, often pioneering arena. It is a local, political response of the justifiably angry and dispossessed, even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply neoliberalism's narrow profession of unbridled self-interest without the spin and false sophisticated sheen that is just there to reflect away deserved criticism -- it is the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. With hope and solidarity parminder > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Carlos Afonso" > > To: "BestBits List" > > Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM > Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror > >> Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen >> in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. >>   >> Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who >> opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in >> English) is an accurate review: >>   >> https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro >>   >> The article is also attached in PDF. >>   >> Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who >> can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our >> multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of >> Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. >>   >> fraternal regards >>   >> --c.a. >>   >> -- >>   >> Carlos A. Afonso >> [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] >> [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] >>   >> Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br >> ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br >>   >>   >>   > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolina.rossini at gmail.com Sun Oct 28 22:14:39 2018 From: carolina.rossini at gmail.com (Carolina Rossini) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:14:39 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> References: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Wow! I agree with Parminder! Ah! On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM parminder wrote: > > On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > > Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem > commonplace these days. > > Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet governance > initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this change. Certainly > what has been achieved in the past sets a great example and part of history > which I hope is not forgotten. > > Ian > > > I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as > important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro forma > regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any real > hope.... > > Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which > culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global > Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a lurch > to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and released > from its responsibilities. > > The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a > trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often using > the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- where > market without political governance was to be the defender of rights! This > is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- > only civil and political ones and not social and economic ones, which have > openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot > ask me for real examples, bec I have followed this and I know many.... Ok, > take two, the very concept and not just the real implementation of 'public > interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many > CS stalwarts of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social > justice' is a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries > baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) were > circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights get mentioned > along with civil and public rights in the conf document there wasnt much > sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all progressive civil society > is fighting for a binding treaty on human rights abuses by corporations, > key leaders write here why any such thing is a bad idea .... .I can go on > and on ... > > And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of progressive > and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite has brought on > us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests (Zizek's 'Clinton > not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). > > This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal excesses > in the only ways they could think of, or were made available to them, > however deleterious the results are finally going to be for them. But lets > not look away from what or who is responsible here..... > > When we seethe market, the embodiment of un-restrained self-interest, as > the institution that will govern us in all areas (which is the definition > of neoliberalism) including of rights, welfare, etc, then one can very well > expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, well self-interest, > fine, this is what it politically is, everyone fending for oneself and > one's narrow interests, and avowedly and unabashedly so ... Trump and > Bolsorno are the other side of the same trans-national neo-liberalism of > which Internet governance space has been a key, often pioneering arena. It > is a local, political response of the justifiably angry and dispossessed, > even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply neoliberalism's narrow > profession of unbridled self-interest without the spin and false > sophisticated sheen that is just there to reflect away deserved criticism > -- it is the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. > > With hope and solidarity > > parminder > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Carlos Afonso" > To: "BestBits List" > Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM > Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror > > Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen > in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. > > Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who > opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in > English) is an accurate review: > > > https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro > > The article is also attached in PDF. > > Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who > can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our > multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of > Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > -- > > Carlos A. Afonso > [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] > [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] > > Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br > ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -- *Carolina Rossini * + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini PGP ID: 0xEC81015C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sun Oct 28 22:37:46 2018 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 02:37:46 +0000 Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> References: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hi Parminder, not the time for a detailed discussion on this, but I do regard Cgi.br as the best example we have seen of a national body addressing internet issues, and a good model. That's the sort of co-operation which internet governance needs within each jurisdiction, not models based on market ideologies or trust in a pure nation states system. We may never agree on the optimal path forward, but I do not see answers in this space until all stakeholders co-operate. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "parminder" To: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net Sent: 29/10/2018 1:13:29 PM Subject: Re: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror > > >On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: >>Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem >>commonplace these days. >> >>Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet >>governance initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this >>change. Certainly what has been achieved in the past sets a great >>example and part of history which I hope is not forgotten. >> >>Ian > > >I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as >important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro >forma regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any >real hope.... > >Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which >culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global >Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a >lurch to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and >released from its responsibilities. > >The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a >trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often >using the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- >where market without political governance was to be the defender of >rights! This is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of >human rights -- only civil and political ones and not social and >economic ones, which have openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, >IG civil society lists.... Dot ask me for real examples, bec I have >followed this and I know many.... Ok, take two, the very concept and >not just the real implementation of 'public interest' has been >ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many CS stalwarts >of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social justice' is >a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries >baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) >were circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights get >mentioned along with civil and public rights in the conf document there >wasnt much sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all progressive >civil society is fighting for a binding treaty on human rights abuses >by corporations, key leaders write here why any such thing is a bad >idea .... .I can go on and on ... > >And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of >progressive and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite >has brought on us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests >(Zizek's 'Clinton not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). > >This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal >excesses in the only ways they could think of, or were made available >to them, however deleterious the results are finally going to be for >them. But lets not look away from what or who is responsible here..... > >When we seethe market, the embodiment of un-restrained self-interest, >as the institution that will govern us in all areas (which is the >definition of neoliberalism) including of rights, welfare, etc, then >one can very well expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, >well self-interest, fine, this is what it politically is, everyone >fending for oneself and one's narrow interests, and avowedly and >unabashedly so ... Trump and Bolsorno are the other side of the same >trans-national neo-liberalism of which Internet governance space has >been a key, often pioneering arena. It is a local, political response >of the justifiably angry and dispossessed, even if a suicidal one... T >and B are simply neoliberalism's narrow profession of unbridled >self-interest without the spin and false sophisticated sheen that is >just there to reflect away deserved criticism -- it is the proverbial >chickens coming home to roost. > >With hope and solidarity > >parminder > > > >> >> >> >>------ Original Message ------ >>From: "Carlos Afonso" >>To: "BestBits List" >>Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM >>Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror >> >>>Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might >>>happen >>>in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. >>> >>>Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who >>>opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça >>>(in >>>English) is an accurate review: >>> >>>https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro >>> >>>The article is also attached in PDF. >>> >>>Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who >>>can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like >>>our >>>multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of >>>Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. >>> >>>fraternal regards >>> >>>--c.a. >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Carlos A. Afonso >>>[emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em >>>contrário] >>>[emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] >>> >>>Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br >>>ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br >>> >>> >>> >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com Sun Oct 28 22:44:52 2018 From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:44:52 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: References: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hmm I can provide a good summary of what Parminder said: it is all the neo liberals fault. Fighting with public interest on NCUC website? Well I let others tell a a history of public interest and its sad fate at ICANN ( which turned in favor of copyright and trademark instead of protecting foe). I am sorry, it's a very sad day, let's not make it sadder by starting a blame game. On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:15 PM Carolina Rossini < carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote: > Wow! I agree with Parminder! Ah! > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM parminder > wrote: > >> >> On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: >> >> Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem >> commonplace these days. >> >> Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet governance >> initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this change. Certainly >> what has been achieved in the past sets a great example and part of history >> which I hope is not forgotten. >> >> Ian >> >> >> I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as >> important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro forma >> regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any real >> hope.... >> >> Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which >> culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global >> Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a lurch >> to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and released >> from its responsibilities. >> >> The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a >> trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often using >> the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- where >> market without political governance was to be the defender of rights! This >> is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- >> only civil and political ones and not social and economic ones, which have >> openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot >> ask me for real examples, bec I have followed this and I know many.... Ok, >> take two, the very concept and not just the real implementation of 'public >> interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many >> CS stalwarts of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social >> justice' is a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries >> baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) were >> circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights get mentioned >> along with civil and public rights in the conf document there wasnt much >> sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all progressive civil society >> is fighting for a binding treaty on human rights abuses by corporations, >> key leaders write here why any such thing is a bad idea .... .I can go on >> and on ... >> >> And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of progressive >> and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite has brought on >> us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests (Zizek's 'Clinton >> not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). >> >> This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal excesses >> in the only ways they could think of, or were made available to them, >> however deleterious the results are finally going to be for them. But lets >> not look away from what or who is responsible here..... >> >> When we seethe market, the embodiment of un-restrained self-interest, as >> the institution that will govern us in all areas (which is the definition >> of neoliberalism) including of rights, welfare, etc, then one can very well >> expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, well self-interest, >> fine, this is what it politically is, everyone fending for oneself and >> one's narrow interests, and avowedly and unabashedly so ... Trump and >> Bolsorno are the other side of the same trans-national neo-liberalism of >> which Internet governance space has been a key, often pioneering arena. It >> is a local, political response of the justifiably angry and dispossessed, >> even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply neoliberalism's narrow >> profession of unbridled self-interest without the spin and false >> sophisticated sheen that is just there to reflect away deserved criticism >> -- it is the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. >> >> With hope and solidarity >> >> parminder >> >> >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Carlos Afonso" >> To: "BestBits List" >> Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM >> Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror >> >> Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen >> in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. >> >> Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who >> opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in >> English) is an accurate review: >> >> >> https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro >> >> The article is also attached in PDF. >> >> Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who >> can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our >> multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of >> Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. >> >> fraternal regards >> >> --c.a. >> >> -- >> >> Carlos A. Afonso >> [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] >> [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] >> >> Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br >> ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > -- > > *Carolina Rossini * > + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini > PGP ID: 0xEC81015C > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -- Farzaneh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigel.hickson at icann.org Mon Oct 29 00:27:52 2018 From: nigel.hickson at icann.org (Nigel Hickson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 04:27:52 +0000 Subject: [bestbits] [Ext] Re: OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: References: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <36299A02-4F9B-40E5-8CF5-EDAE75976A36@icann.org> Good morning The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot be eradicated by one man.  Bad leaders come and (hopefully) go; Best Nigel From: on behalf of Carolina Rossini Reply-To: Carolina Rossini Date: Monday, 29 October 2018 at 06:15 To: parminder Cc: "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" Subject: [Ext] Re: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror Wow! I agree with Parminder! Ah! On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM parminder wrote: On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem commonplace these days. Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet governance initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this change. Certainly what has been achieved in the past sets a great example and part of history which I hope is not forgotten. Ian I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro forma regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any real hope.... Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a lurch to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and released from its responsibilities. The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often using the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- where market without political governance was to be the defender of rights! This is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- only civil and political ones and not social and economic ones, which have openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot ask me for real examples, bec I have followed this and I know many.... Ok, take two, the very concept and not just the real implementation of 'public interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many CS stalwarts of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social justice' is a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) were circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights get mentioned along with civil and public rights in the conf document there wasnt much sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all progressive civil society is fighting for a binding treaty on human rights abuses by corporations, key leaders write here why any such thing is a bad idea .... .I can go on and on ... And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of progressive and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite has brought on us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests (Zizek's 'Clinton not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal excesses in the only ways they could think of, or were made available to them, however deleterious the results are finally going to be for them. But lets not look away from what or who is responsible here..... When we seethe market, the embodiment of un-restrained self-interest, as the institution that will govern us in all areas (which is the definition of neoliberalism) including of rights, welfare, etc, then one can very well expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, well self-interest, fine, this is what it politically is, everyone fending for oneself and one's narrow interests, and avowedly and unabashedly so ... Trump and Bolsorno are the other side of the same trans-national neo-liberalism of which Internet governance space has been a key, often pioneering arena. It is a local, political response of the justifiably angry and dispossessed, even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply neoliberalism's narrow profession of unbridled self-interest without the spin and false sophisticated sheen that is just there to reflect away deserved criticism -- it is the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. With hope and solidarity parminder ------ Original Message ------ From: "Carlos Afonso" To: "BestBits List" Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in English) is an accurate review: https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro [rogerebert.com] The article is also attached in PDF. Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. fraternal regards --c.a. -- Carlos A. Afonso [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br [nupef.org.br] ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br [isoc.org.br] ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits [lists.bestbits.net] ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits [lists.bestbits.net] -- Carolina Rossini + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini PGP ID: 0xEC81015C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4587 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 08:56:10 2018 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 14:56:10 +0200 Subject: [bestbits] UN High Level Panel Town Hall meeting today 15:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4059FD9C-0707-48DD-9179-887129E1ED68@icann.org> References: <4059FD9C-0707-48DD-9179-887129E1ED68@icann.org> Message-ID: Dear colleagues, Please see the forwarded email below. The UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation will host a Town Hall Meeting today at 17:00 Geneva Time (15:00 UTC). In this session, Jovan Kurbalija, executive-director and co-lead of the HLP will provide updates about the panel activities and the first physical meeting last week (24-25 September 2018). https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/j.php?MTID=m8ca93c33a9ae1de3bef182b117e2aff6 All the best wishes, Marilia ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Nigel Hickson Date: Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 10:59 AM Subject: [ccwg-internet-governance] TOWN HALL MEETING ON UN PANEL To: ccwg Colleagues Good morning; just to note that the second briefing today on the UN High Level Panel takes place later today at 13.00 UTC, as noted below. The direct Webex link is : https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/j.php?MTID=m8ca93c33a9ae1de3bef182b117e2aff6 [intgovforum.webex.com] The first Session this morning (about 30 on Call) was very interesting. Jovan Kurbalija (Executive Director of Secretariat) gave an overview of what the Panel are looking at (the first physical meeting was last week in New York) and highlighted the Open Consultation starting on 8th October. He noted the Panel presence at IGF 2018 (several sessions) and representation at ICANN63. Best Nigel *Marília Maciel* Digital Policy Senior Researcher, DiploFoundation WMO Building *|* 7bis, Avenue de la Paix *| *1211 Geneva - Switzerland *Tel *+41 (0) 22 9073632 *| * *Email*: *MariliaM at diplomacy.edu * *|** Twitter: * *@MariliaM* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But you really need to study the CGI model, the dispersion and power of groups within it, and its checks and balances, how for instance, groups reps are elected, only reps of private sector collectives and not private companies per se are allowed, how public interest interests actors are always maintained in much greater number than private interest actors, and so on, plus how it limits itself to matters of narrow technical governance, and finally how it acts within a larger democratic national constitutional framework , to understand what is best in the CGI model. To use CGI's name and model to seek establishing a WEF based global IG order instead of UN based one (working with a more democratic ICANN doing tech governance) is what is fallacious... Mind it, WEF and the proponents of MS model there were clear that they meant to extend MSism not just beyond tech governance in IG, but also to all areas beyond IG... These facts were often and strongly presented here. > That's the sort of co-operation which internet governance needs within > each jurisdiction, not models based on market ideologies or trust in a > pure nation states system. We may never agree on the optimal path > forward, but I do not see answers in this space until all stakeholders > co-operate. Weak and empty world like 'cooperation' when the world is facing basic political- institutional disasters are not only useless, they are highly counter-productive... And if you continue to be serious in your assertion that ideas of citizens, public interest and democracy are better replaced by stakeholders, stakes and MSism, that IMHO represents a continuation on a suicidal noelib path. Sorry if this comes as harsh, but i am just doing a political argument here. regards, parminder > > Ian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "parminder" > > To: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > Sent: 29/10/2018 1:13:29 PM > Subject: Re: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror > >> >> On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: >>> Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem >>> commonplace these days.  >>> >>> Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet >>> governance initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this >>> change. Certainly what has been achieved in the past sets a great >>> example and part of history which I hope is not forgotten. >>> >>> Ian >> >> >> I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as >> important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro >> forma regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any >> real hope.... >> >> Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which >> culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global >> Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a >> lurch to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and >> released from its responsibilities. >> >> The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a >> trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often >> using the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism >> -- where market without political governance was to be the defender >> of rights! This is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk >> of human rights -- only civil and political ones and not social and >> economic ones, which have openly been flouted even ridiculed on , >> yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot ask me for real examples, bec I >> have followed this and I know many.... Ok, take two, the very concept >> and not just the real implementation of 'public interest' has been >> ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many CS stalwarts >> of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social justice' >> is a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries >> baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) >> were circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights get >> mentioned along with civil and public rights in the conf document >> there wasnt much sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all >> progressive civil society is fighting for a binding treaty on human >> rights abuses by corporations, key leaders write here why any such >> thing is a bad idea .... .I can go on  and on ... >> >> And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of >> progressive and democratic ideals that the global trans-national >> elite has brought on us in blind pursuit of their global economic >> interests (Zizek's 'Clinton not Trump is the problem' precisely >> captures it). >> >> This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal >> excesses in the only ways they could think of, or were made available >> to them, however deleterious the results are finally going to be for >> them. But lets not look away from what or who is responsible here..... >> >> When we seethe  market, the embodiment of un-restrained >> self-interest, as the institution that will govern us in all areas >> (which is the definition of neoliberalism) including of rights, >> welfare, etc, then one can very well expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro >> to come along and say, well self-interest, fine, this is what it >> politically is, everyone fending for oneself and one's narrow >> interests, and avowedly and unabashedly so ...  Trump and Bolsorno >> are the other side of the same trans-national neo-liberalism of which >> Internet governance space has been a key, often pioneering arena. It >> is a local, political response of the justifiably angry and >> dispossessed, even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply >> neoliberalism's narrow profession of unbridled self-interest without >> the spin and false sophisticated sheen that is just there to reflect >> away deserved criticism -- it is the proverbial chickens coming home >> to roost. >> >> With hope and solidarity >> >> parminder >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Carlos Afonso" > >>> To: "BestBits List" >> > >>> Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM >>> Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror >>> >>>> Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen >>>> in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. >>>>   >>>> Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who >>>> opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo >>>> Villaça (in >>>> English) is an accurate review: >>>>   >>>> https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro >>>>   >>>> The article is also attached in PDF. >>>>   >>>> Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who >>>> can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our >>>> multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of >>>> Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. >>>>   >>>> fraternal regards >>>>   >>>> --c.a. >>>>   >>>> -- >>>>   >>>> Carlos A. Afonso >>>> [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em >>>> contrário] >>>> [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] >>>>   >>>> Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br >>>> ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br >>>>   >>>>   >>>>   >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 07:31:41 2018 From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:31:41 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] [Ext] Re: OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: <36299A02-4F9B-40E5-8CF5-EDAE75976A36@icann.org> References: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> <36299A02-4F9B-40E5-8CF5-EDAE75976A36@icann.org> Message-ID: Very much agree Nigel. And using the political environment and this election which has made people suffer just to repeat the old baseless argument that it was the neoliberals fault is absolutely wrong in my opinion. On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:28 AM Nigel Hickson wrote: > Good morning > > > > The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot be eradicated by one man. Bad > leaders come and (hopefully) go; > > > > Best > > > > Nigel > > > > *From: * on behalf of Carolina > Rossini > *Reply-To: *Carolina Rossini > *Date: *Monday, 29 October 2018 at 06:15 > *To: *parminder > *Cc: *"bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" > *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror > > > > Wow! I agree with Parminder! Ah! > > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM parminder > wrote: > > > > On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > > Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem > commonplace these days. > > > > Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet governance > initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this change. Certainly > what has been achieved in the past sets a great example and part of history > which I hope is not forgotten. > > > > Ian > > > > I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as > important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro forma > regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any real > hope.... > > Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which > culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global > Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a lurch > to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and released > from its responsibilities. > > The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a > trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often using > the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- where > market without political governance was to be the defender of rights! This > is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- > only civil and political ones and not social and economic ones, which have > openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot > ask me for real examples, bec I have followed this and I know many.... Ok, > take two, the very concept and not just the real implementation of 'public > interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many > CS stalwarts of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social > justice' is a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries > baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) were > circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights get mentioned > along with civil and public rights in the conf document there wasnt much > sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all progressive civil society > is fighting for a binding treaty on human rights abuses by corporations, > key leaders write here why any such thing is a bad idea .... .I can go on > and on ... > > And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of progressive > and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite has brought on > us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests (Zizek's 'Clinton > not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). > > This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal excesses > in the only ways they could think of, or were made available to them, > however deleterious the results are finally going to be for them. But lets > not look away from what or who is responsible here..... > > When we seethe market, the embodiment of un-restrained self-interest, as > the institution that will govern us in all areas (which is the definition > of neoliberalism) including of rights, welfare, etc, then one can very well > expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, well self-interest, > fine, this is what it politically is, everyone fending for oneself and > one's narrow interests, and avowedly and unabashedly so ... Trump and > Bolsorno are the other side of the same trans-national neo-liberalism of > which Internet governance space has been a key, often pioneering arena. It > is a local, political response of the justifiably angry and dispossessed, > even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply neoliberalism's narrow > profession of unbridled self-interest without the spin and false > sophisticated sheen that is just there to reflect away deserved criticism > -- it is the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. > > With hope and solidarity > > parminder > > > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Carlos Afonso" > > To: "BestBits List" > > Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM > > Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror > > > > Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen > > in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. > > > > Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who > > opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in > > English) is an accurate review: > > > > https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro > [rogerebert.com] > > > > > The article is also attached in PDF. > > > > Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who > > can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our > > multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of > > Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. > > > > fraternal regards > > > > --c.a. > > > > -- > > > > Carlos A. Afonso > > [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] > > [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] > > > > Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br [nupef.org.br] > > > ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br [isoc.org.br] > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits [lists.bestbits.net] > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits [lists.bestbits.net] > > > -- > > > > *Carolina Rossini * > > + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini > > PGP ID: 0xEC81015C > -- Farzaneh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Mon Oct 29 08:34:12 2018 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:12 +0530 Subject: [bestbits] [Ext] Re: OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: References: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> <36299A02-4F9B-40E5-8CF5-EDAE75976A36@icann.org> Message-ID: On 29/10/18 5:01 PM, farzaneh badii wrote: > Very much agree Nigel.  > > And using the political environment and this election which has made > people suffer just to repeat the old baseless argument that it was the > neoliberals fault is absolutely wrong in my opinion. Interesting, very few people actually defend neo-liberalism, esp in global civil society groups. But sure, you well may... Evidently, from Trump to Brexit to Bolsorno, and I am not mentioning a few other names, very similar things are happening across the world.... Obviously that kind of seemingly unconnected very similar events need a theory to explain. You dont agree with mine, so may I ask what is yours... What do you think is happening? I do not think that a politically active and mature CS group should just comment on such important events without any analysis, much less 'what to do', at all. And to Nigel's comment below. "The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot be eradicated by one man.". You really think Bolsorno is one man? parminder > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:28 AM Nigel Hickson > > wrote: > > Good morning > >   > > The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot be eradicated by one > man.  Bad leaders come and (hopefully) go; > >   > > Best > >   > > Nigel > >   > > *From: * > on behalf of > Carolina Rossini > > *Reply-To: *Carolina Rossini > > *Date: *Monday, 29 October 2018 at 06:15 > *To: *parminder > > *Cc: *"bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > " > > *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror > >   > > Wow! I agree with Parminder! Ah! > >   > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM parminder > > wrote: > >   > > On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > wrote: > > Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the > right seem commonplace these days.  > >   > > Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder > internet governance initiatives, and I do hope that all is > not lost with this change. Certainly what has been > achieved in the past sets a great example and part of > history which I hope is not forgotten. > >   > > Ian > >   > > I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but > truth is as important to speak out at such times, if we are > not just to make pro forma regrets but to look ahead with > vision and purpose, and thus any real hope.... > > Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model > which culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum > based global Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based > one was itself not a lurch to right? That is also history that > must not be forgotten, and released from its responsibilities. > > The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a > trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages > often using the cover of social liberalism without economic > egalitarianism -- where market without political governance > was to be the defender of rights! This is a direct result of > promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- only civil > and political ones and not social and economic ones, which > have openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, IG civil > society lists.... Dot ask me for real examples, bec I have > followed this and I know many.... Ok, take two, the very > concept and not just the real implementation of 'public > interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, > to which many CS stalwarts of IG belong. A key leader of CS > community has said 'social justice' is a meaningless concept, > another that the term 'democracy carries baggage', and when > appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) were > circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights > get mentioned along with civil and public rights in the conf > document there wasnt much sympathy on these lists.. And yes, > also when all progressive civil society is fighting for a > binding treaty on human rights abuses by corporations, key > leaders write here why any such thing is a bad idea .... .I > can go on  and on ... > > And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of > progressive and democratic ideals that the global > trans-national elite has brought on us in blind pursuit of > their global economic interests (Zizek's 'Clinton not Trump is > the problem' precisely captures it). > > This is the dispossessed reacting against the global > neoliberal excesses in the only ways they could think of, or > were made available to them, however deleterious the results > are finally going to be for them. But lets not look away from > what or who is responsible here..... > > When we seethe  market, the embodiment of un-restrained > self-interest, as the institution that will govern us in all > areas (which is the definition of neoliberalism) including of > rights, welfare, etc, then one can very well expect a Trump > and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, well self-interest, > fine, this is what it politically is, everyone fending for > oneself and one's narrow interests, and avowedly and > unabashedly so ...  Trump and Bolsorno are the other side of > the same trans-national neo-liberalism of which Internet > governance space has been a key, often pioneering arena. It is > a local, political response of the justifiably angry and > dispossessed, even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply > neoliberalism's narrow profession of unbridled self-interest > without the spin and false sophisticated sheen that is just > there to reflect away deserved criticism -- it is the > proverbial chickens coming home to roost. > > With hope and solidarity > > parminder > >   > >   > >   > >   > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Carlos Afonso" > > > To: "BestBits List" > > > Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM > > Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror > >   > > Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of > what might happen > > in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. > >   > > Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying > for anyone who > > opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by > Pablo Villaça (in > > English) is an accurate review: > >   > > https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro > [rogerebert.com] > > >   > > The article is also attached in PDF. > >   > > Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social > movements -- who > > can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental > achievements like our > > multistakeholder Internet governance system, our > Internet Bill of > > Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are > at risk. > >   > > fraternal regards > >   > > --c.a. > >   > > -- > >   > > Carlos A. Afonso > > [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente > indicado em contrário] > > [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated > otherwise] > >   > > Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br [nupef.org.br] > > > ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br [isoc.org.br] > > >   > >   > >   > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net . > > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > >      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > [lists.bestbits.net] > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > . > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > [lists.bestbits.net] > > > -- > >   > > *Carolina Rossini * > > + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini  > > PGP ID:  0xEC81015C > > -- > Farzaneh > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 17:19:46 2018 From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:19:46 -0300 Subject: [bestbits] [Ext] Re: OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: References: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> <36299A02-4F9B-40E5-8CF5-EDAE75976A36@icann.org> Message-ID: Hey all, Just my two cents here: I dont personally think that the problem with Bolsonaro is neoliberalism - If this was the problem I dont think brazilians would be utterly concerned with him. He can go from defending little or none regulation to the internet (like his campaign which circulated content criticizing the Marco Civil da internet) to denying that situations such as the Holocaust happened, and for such incoherence I dont think there is a word. I dont even dare call Bolsonaro a liberal because from the positions he openly takes he can easily be considered as a hard-right nationalist. Anyways, these ought to be hard times for us in Brazil and I think we should keep on advocating for our values and principles. Trying to find someone to put the blame here Isnt much of a way forward. We should be taking both the American and Brazilian elections vastly dominated by the spread of fake news as an example to think of solutions to the problem - if there's any. Best, Bruna Santos Em seg, 29 de out de 2018 às 09:34, parminder escreveu: > > On 29/10/18 5:01 PM, farzaneh badii wrote: > > Very much agree Nigel. > > And using the political environment and this election which has made > people suffer just to repeat the old baseless argument that it was the > neoliberals fault is absolutely wrong in my opinion. > > > Interesting, very few people actually defend neo-liberalism, esp in global > civil society groups. But sure, you well may... > > Evidently, from Trump to Brexit to Bolsorno, and I am not mentioning a few > other names, very similar things are happening across the world.... > Obviously that kind of seemingly unconnected very similar events need a > theory to explain. You dont agree with mine, so may I ask what is yours... > What do you think is happening? I do not think that a politically active > and mature CS group should just comment on such important events without > any analysis, much less 'what to do', at all. > > And to Nigel's comment below. "The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot > be eradicated by one man.". You really think Bolsorno is one man? > > parminder > > > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:28 AM Nigel Hickson > wrote: > >> Good morning >> >> >> >> The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot be eradicated by one man. Bad >> leaders come and (hopefully) go; >> >> >> >> Best >> >> >> >> Nigel >> >> >> >> *From: * on behalf of Carolina >> Rossini >> *Reply-To: *Carolina Rossini >> *Date: *Monday, 29 October 2018 at 06:15 >> *To: *parminder >> *Cc: *"bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" >> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror >> >> >> >> Wow! I agree with Parminder! Ah! >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM parminder >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: >> >> Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem >> commonplace these days. >> >> >> >> Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet governance >> initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this change. Certainly >> what has been achieved in the past sets a great example and part of history >> which I hope is not forgotten. >> >> >> >> Ian >> >> >> >> I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as >> important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro forma >> regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any real >> hope.... >> >> Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which >> culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global >> Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a lurch >> to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and released >> from its responsibilities. >> >> The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a >> trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often using >> the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- where >> market without political governance was to be the defender of rights! This >> is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- >> only civil and political ones and not social and economic ones, which have >> openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot >> ask me for real examples, bec I have followed this and I know many.... Ok, >> take two, the very concept and not just the real implementation of 'public >> interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many >> CS stalwarts of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social >> justice' is a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries >> baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) were >> circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights get mentioned >> along with civil and public rights in the conf document there wasnt much >> sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all progressive civil society >> is fighting for a binding treaty on human rights abuses by corporations, >> key leaders write here why any such thing is a bad idea .... .I can go on >> and on ... >> >> And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of progressive >> and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite has brought on >> us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests (Zizek's 'Clinton >> not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). >> >> This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal excesses >> in the only ways they could think of, or were made available to them, >> however deleterious the results are finally going to be for them. But lets >> not look away from what or who is responsible here..... >> >> When we seethe market, the embodiment of un-restrained self-interest, as >> the institution that will govern us in all areas (which is the definition >> of neoliberalism) including of rights, welfare, etc, then one can very well >> expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, well self-interest, >> fine, this is what it politically is, everyone fending for oneself and >> one's narrow interests, and avowedly and unabashedly so ... Trump and >> Bolsorno are the other side of the same trans-national neo-liberalism of >> which Internet governance space has been a key, often pioneering arena. It >> is a local, political response of the justifiably angry and dispossessed, >> even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply neoliberalism's narrow >> profession of unbridled self-interest without the spin and false >> sophisticated sheen that is just there to reflect away deserved criticism >> -- it is the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. >> >> With hope and solidarity >> >> parminder >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "Carlos Afonso" >> >> To: "BestBits List" >> >> Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM >> >> Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror >> >> >> >> Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen >> >> in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. >> >> >> >> Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who >> >> opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in >> >> English) is an accurate review: >> >> >> >> https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro >> [rogerebert.com] >> >> >> >> >> The article is also attached in PDF. >> >> >> >> Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who >> >> can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our >> >> multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of >> >> Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. >> >> >> >> fraternal regards >> >> >> >> --c.a. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Carlos A. Afonso >> >> [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] >> >> [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] >> >> >> >> Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br [nupef.org.br] >> >> >> ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br [isoc.org.br] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits [lists.bestbits.net] >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits [lists.bestbits.net] >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> *Carolina Rossini * >> >> + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini >> >> PGP ID: 0xEC81015C >> > -- > Farzaneh > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net" on behalf of Bruna Martins dos Santos Reply-To: Bruna Martins dos Santos Date: Tuesday, 30 October 2018 at 7:20 am To: parminder Cc: farzaneh badii BADII , Nigel Hickson , Carolina Rossini , Bestbits Subject: Re: [bestbits] [Ext] Re: OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror Hey all, Just my two cents here: I dont personally think that the problem with Bolsonaro is neoliberalism - If this was the problem I dont think brazilians would be utterly concerned with him. He can go from defending little or none regulation to the internet (like his campaign which circulated content criticizing the Marco Civil da internet) to denying that situations such as the Holocaust happened, and for such incoherence I dont think there is a word. I dont even dare call Bolsonaro a liberal because from the positions he openly takes he can easily be considered as a hard-right nationalist. Anyways, these ought to be hard times for us in Brazil and I think we should keep on advocating for our values and principles. Trying to find someone to put the blame here Isnt much of a way forward. We should be taking both the American and Brazilian elections vastly dominated by the spread of fake news as an example to think of solutions to the problem - if there's any. Best, Bruna Santos Em seg, 29 de out de 2018 às 09:34, parminder > escreveu: On 29/10/18 5:01 PM, farzaneh badii wrote: Very much agree Nigel. And using the political environment and this election which has made people suffer just to repeat the old baseless argument that it was the neoliberals fault is absolutely wrong in my opinion. Interesting, very few people actually defend neo-liberalism, esp in global civil society groups. But sure, you well may... Evidently, from Trump to Brexit to Bolsorno, and I am not mentioning a few other names, very similar things are happening across the world.... Obviously that kind of seemingly unconnected very similar events need a theory to explain. You dont agree with mine, so may I ask what is yours... What do you think is happening? I do not think that a politically active and mature CS group should just comment on such important events without any analysis, much less 'what to do', at all. And to Nigel's comment below. "The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot be eradicated by one man.". You really think Bolsorno is one man? parminder On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:28 AM Nigel Hickson > wrote: Good morning The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot be eradicated by one man. Bad leaders come and (hopefully) go; Best Nigel From: > on behalf of Carolina Rossini > Reply-To: Carolina Rossini > Date: Monday, 29 October 2018 at 06:15 To: parminder > Cc: "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" > Subject: [Ext] Re: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror Wow! I agree with Parminder! Ah! On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM parminder > wrote: On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem commonplace these days. Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet governance initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this change. Certainly what has been achieved in the past sets a great example and part of history which I hope is not forgotten. Ian I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro forma regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any real hope.... Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a lurch to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and released from its responsibilities. The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often using the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- where market without political governance was to be the defender of rights! This is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- only civil and political ones and not social and economic ones, which have openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot ask me for real examples, bec I have followed this and I know many.... Ok, take two, the very concept and not just the real implementation of 'public interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many CS stalwarts of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social justice' is a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) were circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights get mentioned along with civil and public rights in the conf document there wasnt much sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all progressive civil society is fighting for a binding treaty on human rights abuses by corporations, key leaders write here why any such thing is a bad idea .... .I can go on and on ... And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of progressive and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite has brought on us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests (Zizek's 'Clinton not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal excesses in the only ways they could think of, or were made available to them, however deleterious the results are finally going to be for them. But lets not look away from what or who is responsible here..... When we seethe market, the embodiment of un-restrained self-interest, as the institution that will govern us in all areas (which is the definition of neoliberalism) including of rights, welfare, etc, then one can very well expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, well self-interest, fine, this is what it politically is, everyone fending for oneself and one's narrow interests, and avowedly and unabashedly so ... Trump and Bolsorno are the other side of the same trans-national neo-liberalism of which Internet governance space has been a key, often pioneering arena. It is a local, political response of the justifiably angry and dispossessed, even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply neoliberalism's narrow profession of unbridled self-interest without the spin and false sophisticated sheen that is just there to reflect away deserved criticism -- it is the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. With hope and solidarity parminder ------ Original Message ------ From: "Carlos Afonso" > To: "BestBits List" > Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in English) is an accurate review: https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro [rogerebert.com] The article is also attached in PDF. Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. fraternal regards --c.a. -- Carlos A. Afonso [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br [nupef.org.br] ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br [isoc.org.br] ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits [lists.bestbits.net] ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits [lists.bestbits.net] -- Carolina Rossini + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini PGP ID: 0xEC81015C -- Farzaneh ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -- Bruna Martins dos Santos Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joly at punkcast.com Mon Oct 29 18:55:12 2018 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:55:12 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] [Ext] Re: OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: References: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> <36299A02-4F9B-40E5-8CF5-EDAE75976A36@icann.org> Message-ID: Bruna wrote: > I dont personally think that the problem with Bolsonaro is neoliberalism I may have the wrong end of the stick but my understanding of Parminder's theme was that he was saying the swing to the right - of which Bolsonaro is a symptom - is a reaction to neoliberalism, not neoliberal itself. j On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos < bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > Just my two cents here: I dont personally think that the problem with > Bolsonaro is neoliberalism - If this was the problem I dont think > brazilians would be utterly concerned with him. He can go from defending > little or none regulation to the internet (like his campaign which > circulated content criticizing the Marco Civil da internet) to denying that > situations such as the Holocaust happened, and for such incoherence I dont > think there is a word. I dont even dare call Bolsonaro a liberal because > from the positions he openly takes he can easily be considered as a > hard-right nationalist. > > Anyways, these ought to be hard times for us in Brazil and I think we > should keep on advocating for our values and principles. Trying to find > someone to put the blame here Isnt much of a way forward. We should be > taking both the American and Brazilian elections vastly dominated by the > spread of fake news as an example to think of solutions to the problem - if > there's any. > > Best, > Bruna Santos > > Em seg, 29 de out de 2018 às 09:34, parminder > escreveu: > >> >> On 29/10/18 5:01 PM, farzaneh badii wrote: >> >> Very much agree Nigel. >> >> And using the political environment and this election which has made >> people suffer just to repeat the old baseless argument that it was the >> neoliberals fault is absolutely wrong in my opinion. >> >> >> Interesting, very few people actually defend neo-liberalism, esp in >> global civil society groups. But sure, you well may... >> >> Evidently, from Trump to Brexit to Bolsorno, and I am not mentioning a >> few other names, very similar things are happening across the world.... >> Obviously that kind of seemingly unconnected very similar events need a >> theory to explain. You dont agree with mine, so may I ask what is yours... >> What do you think is happening? I do not think that a politically active >> and mature CS group should just comment on such important events without >> any analysis, much less 'what to do', at all. >> >> And to Nigel's comment below. "The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot >> be eradicated by one man.". You really think Bolsorno is one man? >> >> parminder >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:28 AM Nigel Hickson >> wrote: >> >>> Good morning >>> >>> >>> >>> The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot be eradicated by one man. Bad >>> leaders come and (hopefully) go; >>> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> >>> >>> Nigel >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: * on behalf of Carolina >>> Rossini >>> *Reply-To: *Carolina Rossini >>> *Date: *Monday, 29 October 2018 at 06:15 >>> *To: *parminder >>> *Cc: *"bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" >>> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror >>> >>> >>> >>> Wow! I agree with Parminder! Ah! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM parminder >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: >>> >>> Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem >>> commonplace these days. >>> >>> >>> >>> Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet >>> governance initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this >>> change. Certainly what has been achieved in the past sets a great example >>> and part of history which I hope is not forgotten. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> >>> >>> I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as >>> important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro forma >>> regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any real >>> hope.... >>> >>> Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which >>> culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global >>> Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a lurch >>> to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and released >>> from its responsibilities. >>> >>> The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a >>> trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often using >>> the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- where >>> market without political governance was to be the defender of rights! This >>> is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- >>> only civil and political ones and not social and economic ones, which have >>> openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot >>> ask me for real examples, bec I have followed this and I know many.... Ok, >>> take two, the very concept and not just the real implementation of 'public >>> interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many >>> CS stalwarts of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social >>> justice' is a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries >>> baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) were >>> circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights get mentioned >>> along with civil and public rights in the conf document there wasnt much >>> sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all progressive civil society >>> is fighting for a binding treaty on human rights abuses by corporations, >>> key leaders write here why any such thing is a bad idea .... .I can go on >>> and on ... >>> >>> And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of >>> progressive and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite has >>> brought on us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests (Zizek's >>> 'Clinton not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). >>> >>> This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal excesses >>> in the only ways they could think of, or were made available to them, >>> however deleterious the results are finally going to be for them. But lets >>> not look away from what or who is responsible here..... >>> >>> When we seethe market, the embodiment of un-restrained self-interest, >>> as the institution that will govern us in all areas (which is the >>> definition of neoliberalism) including of rights, welfare, etc, then one >>> can very well expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, well >>> self-interest, fine, this is what it politically is, everyone fending for >>> oneself and one's narrow interests, and avowedly and unabashedly so ... >>> Trump and Bolsorno are the other side of the same trans-national >>> neo-liberalism of which Internet governance space has been a key, often >>> pioneering arena. It is a local, political response of the justifiably >>> angry and dispossessed, even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply >>> neoliberalism's narrow profession of unbridled self-interest without the >>> spin and false sophisticated sheen that is just there to reflect away >>> deserved criticism -- it is the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. >>> >>> With hope and solidarity >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Carlos Afonso" >>> >>> To: "BestBits List" >>> >>> Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM >>> >>> Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen >>> >>> in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who >>> >>> opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in >>> >>> English) is an accurate review: >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro >>> [rogerebert.com] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The article is also attached in PDF. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who >>> >>> can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our >>> >>> multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of >>> >>> Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. >>> >>> >>> >>> fraternal regards >>> >>> >>> >>> --c.a. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Carlos A. Afonso >>> >>> [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] >>> >>> [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] >>> >>> >>> >>> Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br [nupef.org.br] >>> >>> >>> ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br [isoc.org.br] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits [lists.bestbits.net] >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits [lists.bestbits.net] >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> *Carolina Rossini * >>> >>> + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini >>> >>> PGP ID: 0xEC81015C >>> >> -- >> Farzaneh >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdp.direito at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 18:56:11 2018 From: gdp.direito at gmail.com (Gustavo Paiva) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:56:11 -0300 Subject: [bestbits] [Ext] Re: OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: References: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> <36299A02-4F9B-40E5-8CF5-EDAE75976A36@icann.org> Message-ID: Bruna's comment is on point. Brazil's and the US's experience with fake news should be a wake up call for other countries, hopefully we can all collectively learn from those experiences. Gustavo Paiva. On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 19:40, Sylvia Cadena wrote: > Totally agree with you, Bruna. > > > > > > --------- > > > > Sylvia Cadena | APNIC Foundation - Head of Programs | sylvia at apnic.net | > http://www.apnic.foundation > > ISIF Asia, WSIS Champion on International Cooperation 2018 | > http://www.isif.asia | FB ISIF.asia | @ISIF_Asia | G+ ISIFAsia | > > 6 Cordelia Street, South Brisbane, QLD, 4101 Australia | PO Box 3646 | > +10 GMT | skypeID: sylviacadena | Tel: +61 7 3858 3100 | Fax: +61 7 3858 > 3199 > > * Love trees. Print only if necessary. > > > > > > *From: *"bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net" < > bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Bruna Martins dos > Santos > *Reply-To: *Bruna Martins dos Santos > *Date: *Tuesday, 30 October 2018 at 7:20 am > *To: *parminder > *Cc: *farzaneh badii BADII , Nigel Hickson < > nigel.hickson at icann.org>, Carolina Rossini , > Bestbits > *Subject: *Re: [bestbits] [Ext] Re: OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror > > > > Hey all, > > > > Just my two cents here: I dont personally think that the problem with > Bolsonaro is neoliberalism - If this was the problem I dont think > brazilians would be utterly concerned with him. He can go from defending > little or none regulation to the internet (like his campaign which > circulated content criticizing the Marco Civil da internet) to denying that > situations such as the Holocaust happened, and for such incoherence I dont > think there is a word. I dont even dare call Bolsonaro a liberal because > from the positions he openly takes he can easily be considered as a > hard-right nationalist. > > > > Anyways, these ought to be hard times for us in Brazil and I think we > should keep on advocating for our values and principles. Trying to find > someone to put the blame here Isnt much of a way forward. We should be > taking both the American and Brazilian elections vastly dominated by the > spread of fake news as an example to think of solutions to the problem - if > there's any. > > > > Best, > Bruna Santos > > > > Em seg, 29 de out de 2018 às 09:34, parminder > escreveu: > > > > On 29/10/18 5:01 PM, farzaneh badii wrote: > > Very much agree Nigel. > > > > And using the political environment and this election which has made > people suffer just to repeat the old baseless argument that it was the > neoliberals fault is absolutely wrong in my opinion. > > > > Interesting, very few people actually defend neo-liberalism, esp in global > civil society groups. But sure, you well may... > > Evidently, from Trump to Brexit to Bolsorno, and I am not mentioning a few > other names, very similar things are happening across the world.... > Obviously that kind of seemingly unconnected very similar events need a > theory to explain. You dont agree with mine, so may I ask what is yours... > What do you think is happening? I do not think that a politically active > and mature CS group should just comment on such important events without > any analysis, much less 'what to do', at all. > > And to Nigel's comment below. "The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot > be eradicated by one man.". You really think Bolsorno is one man? > > parminder > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:28 AM Nigel Hickson > wrote: > > Good morning > > > > The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot be eradicated by one man. Bad > leaders come and (hopefully) go; > > > > Best > > > > Nigel > > > > *From: * on behalf of Carolina > Rossini > *Reply-To: *Carolina Rossini > *Date: *Monday, 29 October 2018 at 06:15 > *To: *parminder > *Cc: *"bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" > *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror > > > > Wow! I agree with Parminder! Ah! > > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM parminder > wrote: > > > > On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > > Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem > commonplace these days. > > > > Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet governance > initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this change. Certainly > what has been achieved in the past sets a great example and part of history > which I hope is not forgotten. > > > > Ian > > > > I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as > important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro forma > regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any real > hope.... > > Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which > culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global > Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a lurch > to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and released > from its responsibilities. > > The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a > trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often using > the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- where > market without political governance was to be the defender of rights! This > is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- > only civil and political ones and not social and economic ones, which have > openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot > ask me for real examples, bec I have followed this and I know many.... Ok, > take two, the very concept and not just the real implementation of 'public > interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many > CS stalwarts of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social > justice' is a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries > baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) were > circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights get mentioned > along with civil and public rights in the conf document there wasnt much > sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all progressive civil society > is fighting for a binding treaty on human rights abuses by corporations, > key leaders write here why any such thing is a bad idea .... .I can go on > and on ... > > And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of progressive > and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite has brought on > us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests (Zizek's 'Clinton > not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). > > This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal excesses > in the only ways they could think of, or were made available to them, > however deleterious the results are finally going to be for them. But lets > not look away from what or who is responsible here..... > > When we seethe market, the embodiment of un-restrained self-interest, as > the institution that will govern us in all areas (which is the definition > of neoliberalism) including of rights, welfare, etc, then one can very well > expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, well self-interest, > fine, this is what it politically is, everyone fending for oneself and > one's narrow interests, and avowedly and unabashedly so ... Trump and > Bolsorno are the other side of the same trans-national neo-liberalism of > which Internet governance space has been a key, often pioneering arena. It > is a local, political response of the justifiably angry and dispossessed, > even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply neoliberalism's narrow > profession of unbridled self-interest without the spin and false > sophisticated sheen that is just there to reflect away deserved criticism > -- it is the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. > > With hope and solidarity > > parminder > > > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Carlos Afonso" > > To: "BestBits List" > > Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM > > Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror > > > > Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen > > in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow. > > > > Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who > > opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in > > English) is an accurate review: > > > > https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro > [rogerebert.com] > > > > > The article is also attached in PDF. > > > > Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who > > can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our > > multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of > > Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk. > > > > fraternal regards > > > > --c.a. > > > > -- > > > > Carlos A. Afonso > > [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] > > [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] > > > > Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br [nupef.org.br] > > > ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br [isoc.org.br] > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits [lists.bestbits.net] > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits [lists.bestbits.net] > > > -- > > > > *Carolina Rossini * > > + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini > > PGP ID: 0xEC81015C > > -- > > Farzaneh > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > -- > > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > > @boomartins > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davecake.net Mon Oct 29 23:01:14 2018 From: dave at davecake.net (David Cake) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 11:01:14 +0800 Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> References: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <50DF244D-ACC7-46DD-A3DA-686F8735232B@davecake.net> > On 29 Oct 2018, at 10:13 am, parminder wrote: > > > On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: >> Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem commonplace these days. >> >> Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet governance initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this change. Certainly what has been achieved in the past sets a great example and part of history which I hope is not forgotten. >> >> Ian > > > I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro forma regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any real hope.... > > Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a lurch to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and released from its responsibilities. > Thinking of it as left/right is simplistic. Authoritarian governments come in both left and right varieties. The UN has proved to be very good at providing a way for authoritarian governments, such as the Saudi and PRC regimes, to have strong international influence. The UN system has the Saudis as active, influential member of the Human Rights Council - do you think that Internet Governance would be better off if regimes like KSA were more influential? Following the UN system is to empower anti-democratic states, and thus weaken civil society. Why do you think that is leftist? Or to put it another way - why are you still simplistically equating the UN system with ‘the left’ or ‘democracy’ after all these years, when the arguments that that is a simplistic and problematic position have been made again and again, and never really answered? > The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often using the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- where market without political governance was to be the defender of rights! And you won’t find many defenders of neoliberalism here - but there is some value in defending actual liberalism, such as valuing democracy over authoritarian states. > This is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- only civil and political ones and not social and economic ones, which have openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot ask me for real examples, bec I have followed this and I know many…. > Ok, take two, the very concept and not just the real implementation of 'public interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many CS stalwarts of IG belong. Indeed, because the concept of public interest has been coopted within ICANN to justify policies that have no real connection to the public interest, such as expansion of trademark interests. The PICS (Public Interest Commitment System) has been gravely abused to enforce policies like a globally protected trademark list that have been rejected through community policy processes. In other words, NCUC has doubts about the use of public interest arguments because they have been used to justify the sort of policies I expect you would oppose. It is fair to say that NCUC is divided over the question of whether the public interest can be defined in a useful manner that is meaningfully defined yet limits its potential for this form of abuse. But I don’t think you would be in disagreement over the problematic use of public interest arguments. > And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of progressive and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite has brought on us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests (Zizek's 'Clinton not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). And that you find neoliberalism implicitly more problematic than authoritarianism is consistent with your positions in IG, and I will continue to find authoritarianism the bigger enemy. Which isn’t to say that we shouldn’t push away from neoliberalism back towards more liberal democratic ideas - but that is precisely why I support governance mechanisms in which civil society has a strong voice, because it allows us to have a voice in policy so it is not simply dominated by commercial and (early lobbied) government voices. Regards David From bzs at theworld.com Tue Oct 30 00:56:52 2018 From: bzs at theworld.com (bzs at theworld.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 00:56:52 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] [Ext] Re: OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror In-Reply-To: References: <7778dd70-e37e-9abc-4427-84d81dff1445@itforchange.net> <36299A02-4F9B-40E5-8CF5-EDAE75976A36@icann.org> Message-ID: <23511.58516.896393.410589@gargle.gargle.HOWL> In the US anyhow "neoliberalism" has become associated with conservative politics...I know, confusing. But many of the people who surrounded George W Bush such as Paul Wolfowitz ("the Iraq war will pay for itself!", US deputy secty of defense, GWB), Elliot Abrams (Special Asst to GWB), Richerd Perle (asst secty of defense, GWB), etc were considered neoliberals. They seemed to believe (i.e., rationalized actions by the GWB admin) that via regime change and nation building they could extend free markets and laissez faire capitalism to those countries, the latter is the neoliberal part. Which due to the cognitive dissonance of the term became variously called neoconservatism, paleoliberalism, etc. It's not "liberalism" in the usual modern sense. It's not exactly the opposite either except perhaps in practice. It's more like a right-wing take on 19th century liberalism -- free markets and laissez-faire capitalism are good even if we have to send in the Marines to shove it down their collective throats. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs at TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* From charles at gp-digital.org Thu Oct 4 10:37:48 2018 From: charles at gp-digital.org (Charles Bradley) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:37:48 +0100 Subject: [bestbits] Website Launch: 7th Annual Freedom Online Conference | 28-30 November, Berlin Message-ID: Dear friends *[with apologies for cross-posting]* On behalf of the Freedom Online Coalition, we are happy to announce that the official website of the* 7th Annual Freedom Online Conference *is now live*. * On the website you can read about the aims of the Conference, browse the Conference Program , and view confirmed featured participants. 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URL: From sheetal at gp-digital.org Tue Oct 30 06:51:09 2018 From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:51:09 +0000 Subject: [bestbits] CS meeting at IGF Paris? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ginger As far as I know, there isn't a joint civil society/'Bestbits' meeting this year. However, a few of us are gathering on the Sunday afternoon (time & location TBC) to discuss inputs into the High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation (HLPDC) process. I had floated focusing the meeting on the HLPDC with the groups that organise the civil society coordination meeting a while back and those interested and following the panel are getting together informally to discuss our inputs into the consultation. If that's of interest to anyone please let me know as soon as you can as I'll confirm the room sometime this week. Best Sheetal. On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 19:06, Ginger Paque wrote: > Hello all... > Are there plans for a BB or CS meeting at the IGF in Paris? I know it's > difficult with no day zero and a compressed schedule, but I'm hoping we get > together. I haven't seen anything, so please repeat the info if I missed > it. 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However, a few of us are gathering on the Sunday afternoon (time > & location TBC) to discuss inputs into the High Level Panel on Digital > Cooperation (HLPDC) > process. > > I had floated focusing the meeting on the HLPDC with the groups that > organise the civil society coordination meeting a while back and those > interested and following the panel are getting together informally to > discuss our inputs into the consultation. > > If that's of interest to anyone please let me know as soon as you can as > I'll confirm the room sometime this week. > > Best > Sheetal. > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 19:06, Ginger Paque wrote: > >> Hello all... >> Are there plans for a BB or CS meeting at the IGF in Paris? I know it's >> difficult with no day zero and a compressed schedule, but I'm hoping we get >> together. I haven't seen anything, so please repeat the info if I missed >> it. Hoping to see many of you there! >> Best regards, >> Ginger >> >> *______________________________* >> >> *Ginger (Virginia) Paque* >> >> IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate >> DiploFoundation >> >> WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland >> www.diplomacy.edu >> * * >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you. > Best, Ginger > > *______________________________* > > *Ginger (Virginia) Paque* > > IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate > DiploFoundation > > WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland > www.diplomacy.edu > * * > > > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 05:51, Sheetal Kumar > wrote: > >> Hi Ginger >> >> As far as I know, there isn't a joint civil society/'Bestbits' meeting >> this year. However, a few of us are gathering on the Sunday afternoon (time >> & location TBC) to discuss inputs into the High Level Panel on Digital >> Cooperation (HLPDC) >> process. >> >> I had floated focusing the meeting on the HLPDC with the groups that >> organise the civil society coordination meeting a while back and those >> interested and following the panel are getting together informally to >> discuss our inputs into the consultation. >> >> If that's of interest to anyone please let me know as soon as you can as >> I'll confirm the room sometime this week. >> >> Best >> Sheetal. >> >> On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 19:06, Ginger Paque wrote: >> >>> Hello all... >>> Are there plans for a BB or CS meeting at the IGF in Paris? I know it's >>> difficult with no day zero and a compressed schedule, but I'm hoping we get >>> together. I haven't seen anything, so please repeat the info if I missed >>> it. Hoping to see many of you there! >>> Best regards, >>> Ginger >>> >>> *______________________________* >>> >>> *Ginger (Virginia) Paque* >>> >>> IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate >>> DiploFoundation >>> >>> WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland >>> www.diplomacy.edu >>> * * >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andersj at elon.edu Tue Oct 30 12:29:14 2018 From: andersj at elon.edu (Janna Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:29:14 +0000 Subject: [bestbits] CS meeting at IGF Paris? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All! Monday Nov. 12’s IGF opening day, with likely long security and registration lines, may be hectic from the start, and many people will be ducking in and out of IGF during the week due to the other events in Paris. Angela Merkel and many other heads of state will be in town for the Peace Forum. Expect busy traffic and bustling security. It is unfortunate that there is no official Day Zero, just a three-day IGF and so many outside distractions in Paris during IGF 2018 due to the Peace Forum and the GovTech Summit. I hope all will go well for everyone! Does anyone on the list happen to know if most of the MAG or the civil society coordination people are staying in one particular hotel or, if they are having preliminary planning meetings, where and when those might be? In other words, how can we happen to share the same space, hang out informally, share a greeting or even wave hello to some other IGF attendees on the weekend? I will have a team from Imagining the Internet arriving very early on Saturday (could not find an affordable Paris flight for our group of 10 that would arrive Sunday) and we’re hoping to get to connect with people on the weekend Nov. 10-11, at least to say hello. Best regards, Janna Anderson From: on behalf of Nnenna Nwakanma Reply-To: Nnenna Nwakanma Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 8:27 AM Cc: "" Subject: Re: [bestbits] CS meeting at IGF Paris? Hi Ginger, all Paris is really tight. Very tight. I am reaching out to a few organisations for a Tuesday lunch just by UNESCO. Its a small gathering with the President and CEO of the Web Foundation - Adrian Lovett. Talk will mostly be around the Principles for the Contract for the Web..which Sir Tim Berners-Lee will be launching Monday next week. If anyone wants to join, please ping me on nnenna.nwakanma at webfoundation.org with [Paris Lunch on Tuesday] as header. Best regards Nnenna On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:36 AM Ginger Paque > wrote: Thanks, Sheetal. Could you please add me to the group? I'm very interested, and arrive Sunday morning. Thank you. Best, Ginger ______________________________ Ginger (Virginia) Paque IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate DiploFoundation WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland www.diplomacy.edu On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 05:51, Sheetal Kumar > wrote: Hi Ginger As far as I know, there isn't a joint civil society/'Bestbits' meeting this year. However, a few of us are gathering on the Sunday afternoon (time & location TBC) to discuss inputs into the High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation (HLPDC) process. I had floated focusing the meeting on the HLPDC with the groups that organise the civil society coordination meeting a while back and those interested and following the panel are getting together informally to discuss our inputs into the consultation. If that's of interest to anyone please let me know as soon as you can as I'll confirm the room sometime this week. Best Sheetal. On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 19:06, Ginger Paque > wrote: Hello all... Are there plans for a BB or CS meeting at the IGF in Paris? I know it's difficult with no day zero and a compressed schedule, but I'm hoping we get together. I haven't seen anything, so please repeat the info if I missed it. Hoping to see many of you there! Best regards, Ginger ______________________________ Ginger (Virginia) Paque IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate DiploFoundation WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland www.diplomacy.edu ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -- Sheetal Kumar Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. 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From that starting point, we build: Part 1: https://www.publicknowledge.org/news-blog/blogs/part-v-we-need-to-fix-the-news-media-not-just-social-media-1 Part 2: https://www.publicknowledge.org/news-blog/blogs/part-v-fix-media-not-social-media-part-2 Part 3: https://www.publicknowledge.org/news-blog/blogs/part-v-we-need-to-fix-the-news-media-not-just-social-media-part-3 We hope the above contribute to our ongoing and collective conversation on platform regulation. Best, Gus ---- # # # # • # # # # *Gus Rossi* Global Policy Director (202) 861-0020 (x123) | (202) 651 1337 (mobile) | @agustinrs *Public Knowledge* | @publicknowledge | www.publicknowledge.org 1818 N St. NW, Suite 410 | Washington, DC 20036 | CFC 12259 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gus at publicknowledge.org Wed Oct 31 06:23:16 2018 From: gus at publicknowledge.org (Gus Rossi) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:23:16 +0400 Subject: [bestbits] CS meeting at IGF Paris? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sheetal, PK is going to be in Paris for the IGF and we would be interested in participating in such meeting. Thanks! ---- # # # # • # # # # *Gus Rossi* Global Policy Director (202) 861-0020 (x123) | (202) 651 1337 (mobile) | @agustinrs *Public Knowledge* | @publicknowledge | www.publicknowledge.org 1818 N St. NW, Suite 410 | Washington, DC 20036 | CFC 12259 On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 2:51 PM Sheetal Kumar wrote: > Hi Ginger > > As far as I know, there isn't a joint civil society/'Bestbits' meeting > this year. However, a few of us are gathering on the Sunday afternoon (time > & location TBC) to discuss inputs into the High Level Panel on Digital > Cooperation (HLPDC) > process. > > I had floated focusing the meeting on the HLPDC with the groups that > organise the civil society coordination meeting a while back and those > interested and following the panel are getting together informally to > discuss our inputs into the consultation. > > If that's of interest to anyone please let me know as soon as you can as > I'll confirm the room sometime this week. > > Best > Sheetal. > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 19:06, Ginger Paque wrote: > >> Hello all... >> Are there plans for a BB or CS meeting at the IGF in Paris? I know it's >> difficult with no day zero and a compressed schedule, but I'm hoping we get >> together. I haven't seen anything, so please repeat the info if I missed >> it. Hoping to see many of you there! >> Best regards, >> Ginger >> >> *______________________________* >> >> *Ginger (Virginia) Paque* >> >> IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate >> DiploFoundation >> >> WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland >> www.diplomacy.edu >> * * >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Sheetal, Us from IRIS (Institute for Research on Internet and Society - Brasil) would love to join! :) *Lucas Anjos* Scientific Advisor | IRIS LinkedIn | Twitter | Lattes +55 31 99592 0566 Em qua, 31 de out de 2018 às 11:24, Gus Rossi escreveu: > Hi Sheetal, > > PK is going to be in Paris for the IGF and we would be interested in > participating in such meeting. > > Thanks! > ---- > > # # # > # • # > # # # > *Gus Rossi* > Global Policy Director > (202) 861-0020 (x123) | (202) 651 1337 (mobile) | @agustinrs > > *Public Knowledge* | @publicknowledge > | www.publicknowledge.org > 1818 N St. NW, Suite 410 | Washington, DC 20036 | CFC 12259 > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 2:51 PM Sheetal Kumar > wrote: > >> Hi Ginger >> >> As far as I know, there isn't a joint civil society/'Bestbits' meeting >> this year. However, a few of us are gathering on the Sunday afternoon (time >> & location TBC) to discuss inputs into the High Level Panel on Digital >> Cooperation (HLPDC) >> process. >> >> I had floated focusing the meeting on the HLPDC with the groups that >> organise the civil society coordination meeting a while back and those >> interested and following the panel are getting together informally to >> discuss our inputs into the consultation. >> >> If that's of interest to anyone please let me know as soon as you can as >> I'll confirm the room sometime this week. >> >> Best >> Sheetal. >> >> On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 19:06, Ginger Paque wrote: >> >>> Hello all... >>> Are there plans for a BB or CS meeting at the IGF in Paris? I know it's >>> difficult with no day zero and a compressed schedule, but I'm hoping we get >>> together. I haven't seen anything, so please repeat the info if I missed >>> it. Hoping to see many of you there! >>> Best regards, >>> Ginger >>> >>> *______________________________* >>> >>> *Ginger (Virginia) Paque* >>> >>> IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate >>> DiploFoundation >>> >>> WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland >>> www.diplomacy.edu >>> * * >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From raquino at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 19:02:11 2018 From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 20:02:11 -0300 Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] European GovTech Summit - Paris In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Lynn St.Amour Dear colleagues, following my earlier emails, please find below a presentation on the GovTech Summit that is one of the main events forming the Paris Digital week. This event is scheduled for November 12th. The GovTech Summit is organized by an organization called Public, which is an interesting organization as well. Re: Public : “Today’s technology could transform the way that citizens interact with local and central government services. However, the companies that build some of the most transformative technology often struggle to do business with the public sector. PUBLIC was created to build and back technology companies, providing the right combination of insight, networks, capital and technology support. Re the GovTech Summit : PUBLIC is organising the first-ever European GovTech Summit on 12th November 2018 in Paris. The event, supported by the French Presidency and Paris City Hall, is part of a series of engagements hosted by President Macron, starting with the Paris Peace Forum on the 11th November 2018 and the 100 year commemoration of the end of the First World War. The GovTech Summit will gather European leaders, innovators and investors to discuss and discover how new technologies can transform public services across Europe. The European GovTech Summit is open but preregistration is required. Best, Lynn From amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 00:48:13 2018 From: amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com (Amrita) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:18:13 +0530 Subject: [bestbits] Read about the IG Events & Policy developments in September, 2018 from the Indian Perspective Message-ID: <00b701d45ec2$2096ff20$61c4fd60$@com> Hi, Apologies for cross posting. For those who may be interested, read the CCAOI September Newsletter for curated updates on policies and events related to IG from the Indian perspective: http://www.ccaoi.in/UI/links/fwnewsletter/CCAOI%20Newsletter%20September%202 018.pdf Regards, Amrita Choudhury CCAOI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raquino at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 07:59:17 2018 From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 08:59:17 -0300 Subject: [bestbits] IGF Paris/Paris Peace Forum Hackathon funding opportunities until 19Oct In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone Got this message via the @openheroines channel and would be great if you could spread the word. ---------- Forwarded message --------- Hi @channel, I’m involved in co-organizing the Paris Peace Forum hackathon in November, which [edited] forces me to think on how to hack this event positively and bring in nice and talented people to work on impactful project and give those projects visibility. So this is a global event and the main topic is financial transparency, something pretty large and being divided in four tracks: - Financial transparency for international organizations (aid & development initiatives and beyond) - Budget transparency of major international events involving public money (Olympics) - Transparency of public procurement procedures (OCDS) - Communication of financial data to the public (making budget data accessible, user friendly and empowering.) We’re looking for international organizations able to lead one challenge related to one of those above tracks. This organization and its people will be invited in Paris for 3 days as well as teams willing to work as participants. Travel funding is available for one or more representatives. OCP is already on board. I’m trying to take this as an opportunity for people to meet and work together, and spend some time in Paris:) If any of you would be interested in leading a challenge or participate, please let me know! Subscriptions to the hackathon for teams and participants are open until October, 19th. https://parispeaceforum.org/hackathon/ Many many thanks! (edited) From ms at algorithmwatch.org Tue Oct 9 10:41:29 2018 From: ms at algorithmwatch.org (Matthias Spielkamp | AlgorithmWatch) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2018 16:41:29 +0200 Subject: [bestbits] Call for Contributions: Algorithms & Society Workshop, 10 December 2018, Brussels Message-ID: <0125457e-b7db-d966-92f8-69f060f7eb85@algorithmwatch.org> Hi everyone, apologies for cross-posting. Please circulate to colleagues who may be interested. This call is primarily aimed at academic researchers, civil society representatives, journalists and practitioners working in the area. When: Monday, 10 December 2018 Where: Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Brussels, Belgium A workshop organised by Privacy Salon & Law Science Technology and Society (LSTS), Vrije Universiteit Brussel, supported by Open Society Foundations Recently there have been increased calls for scrutiny of the role that algorithms play in society. Algorithms influence life-changing decisions, yet to-date the transparency about how these models operate remain firmly limited Who is responsible for their introduction, integration, fairness and accuracy? What democratic governance structures are proposed, if made available at all? Who procures, monitors and regulates their use? What can be done about algorithmic bias? What bias beyond that is inherent to the data and algorithms do these systems produce? What are the social and ethical consequences of algorithms for individuals, groups, communities, institutions and societies? There has been a growing discussion on the regulation of and the impact of algorithms on society for some time. However, these discussions have been driven mainly by examples from the US and have stuck to a very general level. In the discussions, algorithmic practices and their impact in Europe and more specifically in the public sector have remained rather invisible. There is a clear need for examples and voices from Europe to inform and enhance the debate about the challenges posed to societies by algorithms. This workshop on Algorithms & Society has the following aims: To understand what legal, social and ethical issues are at stake with regards to the use of algorithms and algorithmic (decision-making) systems in Europe. This includes themes such as algorithmic accountability, algorithmic governance, political economy of algorithms, fairness and transparency but also what impact the implementation of algorithms and algorithmic systems will have on societies, fundamental rights and social justice; To advance the discussion on the use of algorithms in the area of predictive policing and migration policy in particular; To convene the community of researchers, civil society representatives, journalists and practitioners working on the impact of algorithms and algorithmic (decision-making) systems in Europe; To lay the foundation for the organisation of a larger event in 2019 which has the goal to create an interdisciplinary forum for European researchers and experts working on algorithms and automated decision-making. We especially welcome submissions on the following topics: - The use of algorithms and algorithmic (decision-making) systems in the public and private sector Europe; - Legal, social and ethical issues at stake with regards to the use of algorithms and algorithmic (decision making) systems in Europe; - Case studies of the use of algorithms in the context of (Predictive) Policing in Europe; - Case studies of the use of algorithms in the context of European Migration Policies. Submission instructions You can respond to this Call for contributions by submitting a statement/abstract of max 500 words via a dedicated webpage on the EasyChair system, detailing your perspective or contribution to the workshop (please also indicate if you would like to present) using the following link: https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=asw2018 Deadline 24 October 2018 Notifications 29 October 2018 We will continue to accept proposals for contributions on a rolling basis after the deadline. In case of doubt regarding the suitability of a contribution to the workshop, please contact Rosamunde van Brakel, rosamunde.van.brakel at vub.be Please note that we can only invite a limited number of participants. We will cover transportation and accommodation costs for those who are selected to speak and a limited number of civil society representatives. Programming committee - Rosamunde van Brakel, LSTS Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Privacy Salon - Joris van Hoboken, LSTS Vrije Universiteit Brussel/IVIR-Universiteit van Amsterdam - Seda Gürses, ESAT Katholieke Universiteit Leuven - Matthias Spielkamp, AlgorithmWatch All the best Matthias -- Matthias Spielkamp Executive Director http://algorithmwatch.org/ ms at algorithmwatch.org From daniel at digitalfreedomfund.org Wed Oct 17 06:02:25 2018 From: daniel at digitalfreedomfund.org (=?utf-8?Q?Daniel_=C3=93_Cluanaigh?=) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:02:25 +0200 Subject: [bestbits] Funding opportunity: Strategic Litigation Meeting "One Year After the GDPR" Message-ID: Dear colleagues, Along with providing financial support for strategic litigation cases in Council of Europe countries, the Digital Freedom Fund seeks to facilitate collaboration between digital rights actors, with a view to building a stronger community and stronger legal cases to protect and promote digital rights. In the context of the one-year anniversary of the entry into force of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), we are currently seeking applications from organisations to host a thematically-focused litigation meeting to facilitate information- and skill-sharing on digital rights litigation in the late spring (May or June) of 2019. To find out more, please see the call for applications on our website, and please feel free to disseminate this call to any colleagues or organisations who you think may be interested in applying. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to contact me directly. Kind regards, Daniel Ó Cluanaigh --- Daniel Ó Cluanaigh Programme Officer daniel at digitalfreedomfund.org https://digitalfreedomfund.org https://twitter.com/df_fund -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP URL: From carolina.rossini at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 15:16:02 2018 From: carolina.rossini at gmail.com (Carolina Rossini) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:16:02 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] **RightsCon Call for Proposals is Out!** Message-ID: [image: image.png] Dear colleagues, I hope you’re doing well! I wanted to reach out and share some exciting news with you. As many of you know, I have joined AccessNow a couple of weeks ago, and I am leading RightsCon. It is an exciting time for me and I believe RightsCon is a tremendous platform to strengthen our community, and share knowledge and skills. Last year, over 2500 people joined us in Toronto and 850 proposals were received! *Now, I am happy to announce that we have officially launched the RightsCon Tunis Call for Proposals. *As you know, organizing a session is one of the best ways to engage and showcase your work at RightsCon. This year, the whole program process will be hosted on our new RightsCon Program Platform . There are also several other new additions this year, including skill-building program categories, an initiative focused on investing in problem-solving, a track on wellness, and the possibility of submitting sessions in additional languages. I strongly encourage you to learn more in our blog post . It would be great to see a session proposal come in from you and your team. We’ve prepared a helpful guide to submit a successful proposal , which outlines all the information you need on program categories, session formats, evaluation criteria, and more. Please feel free to share this note and our Call for Proposals with your network. Don’t hesitate to reach out should you have any questions. Best, Carolina -- *Carolina Rossini * + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini PGP ID: 0xEC81015C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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