[bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary

Wed Sep 20 14:43:02 EDT 2017

Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution establishes a mechanism for the
intervention of a region (Comunidad Autonoma) that requires approval by the
Senate after the President of the Spanish Government asks the President of
the Comunidad Autonoma for redress (
http://www.congreso.es/consti/constitucion/indice/titulos/articulos.jsp?ini=155&tipo=2).
Point here being: there is a Constitutional mechanism to do what the
Spanish executive is doing through the action of the judiciary that
involves and includes the opinion of the Parliament. In my opinion, this is
a case that should include the voice of the Parliament.

But in addition, the Spanish President said today: "The Government is doing
what it has to do" (
http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20170920/431423116122/cronologia-20s-inflexion-referendum-1-o.html
).

So no Ayden, I think it is correct to talk about Spanish government.

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On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ayden Férdeline <ayden at ferdeline.com>
wrote:

> There is a separation of powers in Spain; this action is the result of
> judicial action, not the more ominous sounding "Spanish government" ;-). I
> think it is important we remember this. Thanks!
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
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> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary
> Local Time: 20 September 2017 7:29 PM
> UTC Time: 20 September 2017 18:29
> From: raquino at gmail.com
> To: James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
> Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>, Renata Avila <
> renata.avila at webfoundation.org>, bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < <
> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
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> I like this thread
>
> https://twitter.com/netfreedom/status/910498838137499648
>
> The violence of it all could end up taking offline things which have
> nothing to do w/ Catalonia at all
>
> i would be careful, though, with the brand "Spanish government". Itself is
> very divided and so far I haven't really understood who was the genius
> responsible for this raid.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:26 PM, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Im going to go out on a limb here and split my response,
>>
>> First - this is a terrible terrible action, the right of people to self
>> organise and decide their future should be sacrosanct and these heavy
>> handed tactics should be denounced far and wide. We fight against this kind
>> of action in far flung corners of the world, in Europe we lose a lot of our
>> creditability when we allow things like this to happen on our own doorstep.
>>
>> Secondly - I don’t think ICANN should have a response, at the end of the
>> day this is a content issue and that is something ICANN has no role in. If
>> the whole of .cat had been taken down yes that would be a different
>> conversation but again, my understanding is that its official LEO and
>> government actions here with the takedowns.
>>
>> -James
>>
>>
>> On 20 Sep 2017, at 20:22, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm writing a blogpost from PK's side.
>>
>> Looking forward seeing/hearing more voices :)
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>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Renata Avila <
>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> Totally and it is not isolated from increasingly restrictive - repressive
>>> laws and practices the Spanish government has approved and practiced the
>>> last 5 years. And it sets a precedent of what is acceptable if people from
>>> the international community remain silent.
>>>
>>> Yes, politics are complicated. Everywhere.
>>>
>>> But the defence of human rights is non partisan and a collective
>>> responsibility.
>>>
>>> I am curious to read ICANN response and diff positions from our
>>> organisations and spaces.
>>>
>>> R
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>>> Renata Avila
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>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> *Context: *Catalunya is holding an independence referendum next month.
>>>> The Spanish Constitution does not recognize any kind of questioning of the
>>>> territorial integrity of Spain. But the Catalan parliament approved having
>>>> a referendum anyway. Today, Spanish police carried out morning raids at
>>>> regional government offices in Barcelona, arresting several Catalan
>>>> officials involved in preparations for the referendum. In addition,
>>>> websites have been shutdown or blocked, and .CAT domain technical staff
>>>> have been detained. Also, the magazines of an important independentist
>>>> association (Omnium Cultural) have been denied delivery by the Spanish
>>>> postal service.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of what you might think of the Catalan political process,
>>>> independentist movements in Europe, or else, there are some things I wanted
>>>> to bring to your attention.
>>>>
>>>> *The Internet:* Right now, this conflict has definitively spilled over
>>>> Internet Freedom of Expression, human rights, and the right to an open
>>>> Internet:
>>>>
>>>> .CAT domain has been intervened by the Spanish Police (Guardia Civil:
>>>> https://twitter.com/puntcat/status/910446518494269440) All web pages
>>>> under that domain that have information about the referendum have been
>>>> suspended.
>>>>
>>>> The technical staff of .CAT has been detained by the police (including
>>>> one ISOC-CAT member).
>>>>
>>>> This was the webpage calling for the catalan referendum:
>>>> http://ref1oct.cat/. nic.EU is now hosting the webpage, but there are
>>>> reports that Spanish authorities have ordered ISPs to block the DNSs:
>>>> ref1oct.eu
>>>>
>>>> There are large DDoS attacks on some websites (apparently Cloudflare is
>>>> under attack, as per some reports), and there is traffic manipulation
>>>> by the ISPs (DNS blocking on certain domains).
>>>>
>>>> In addition, there has been confiscation of personal goods of the
>>>> Catalan politicians, police searches in newspapers and printing plants,
>>>> some email.
>>>>
>>>> This is Western Europe in 2017 that we are talking about. We should be
>>>> worried.
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