[bestbits] [governance] Remarks at UNESCO Closing Ceremony of "Connecting the Dots Conference"

[parminder]

On Thursday 05 March 2015 04:05 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
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> Michael, as for your tone, and your allegations. I don't really know
> what to say about them. They are false, they are destructive and they
> demean not only the work of the civil society organisations or
> individuals you name,

Michael responded basically to Jeremy, about whose manner of speaking 
about CS 'colleagues' now and earlier perhaps is something which may 
also require a comment.

And later when he mentions a series of organisations

"EFF? Access? APC? UNESCO?  ISOC? South Africa? Brazil? France?"

He is speaking at an entirely different level - he certainly makes no 
allegation against them. He says he is happy that finally Jeremy is 
publicly stating his stand on 'democratic', and his employer and other 
organisations present in Paris, or otherwise major IG players, should 
show hands on what they think about his twitterred statement - 'that 
'democratic' has baggage'. They all must also go public on this all 
crucial issue.

In fact, I think this is so important an issue, indeed all concerned 
organisations should tell their views on this matter. We have for too 
long avoided taking a stand on democracy and IG, and normative standards 
seem slipping down fast. Good to take an upfront stand. Michael merely 
asks these organisations to do so - he is certainly not alleging all 
these organisations think the same as  Jeremy does- at least youd accept 
South Africa is unlikely to agree.

parminder



  but also the work - and what I believe to be the
> values - of the Just Net Coalition.
>
> Anriette
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> On 05/03/2015 11:46, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 02:27:14 +0100
>> Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:54 PM, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps we could have an explanation from Jeremy and others on the
>>>> drafting committee as to when and how "democracy" and "social and
>>>> economic rights' became unacceptable terms in a document meant to
>>>> have global significance?
>>>
>>>
>>> With pleasure.  This is why:
>>>
>>> http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/unesco-resists-jncs-attempt-to-turn-democracy-against-ordinary-internet-users
>>
>> I would like to hereby state clearly that what Jeremy claims is JNC's
>> view of "democratic multi-stakeholderism" is not an actual position of
>> JNC.
>>
>> For JNC, "democratic" simply means: democratic.
>>
>> We insist that just like governance at national levels must be
>> democratic (which has been internationally accepted as a human right,
>> even if there are countries where this is not currently implemented
>> satisfactorily), any and all global governance must also be democratic.
>>
>> JNC's foundational document, the Delhi Declaration, states this as
>> follows:
>>
>>     Globally, there is a severe democratic deficit with regard to
>>     Internet governance. It is urgently required to establish
>>     appropriate platforms and mechanisms for global governance of the
>>     Internet that are democratic and participative.
>>
>> We are opposed to any kind of system in which multistakeholderism is
>> implemented in a way that is not democratic.
>>
>> We are *not* opposed to participative mechanisms for global governance
>> of the Internet. In fact we explicitly demand, in our foundational
>> document, mechanisms for global governance of the Internet which are
>> democratic *and* participative.
>>
>> This demand has nothing whatsoever to do with what Jeremy claims is our
>> goal, which he describes as “limited type of government-led
>> rulemaking”. That would clearly *not* be participative.
>>
>> We insist that Internet governance must be democratic *and*
>> participative.
>>
>> Is that so hard to understand???
>>
>>
>> The above-mentioned post of Jeremy also links, twice, to an earlier
>> blog post of his, and he claims that he has there "revealed ... the
>> agenda of the Just Net Coalition". That post happens to be quite full of
>> factually false assertions. I have now published my response (which had
>> previously been communicated in a non-public manner) at
>>
>> http://justnetcoalition.org/reply-jeremy-malcolm
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Norbert
>> co-convenor, Just Net Coalition
>> http://JustNetCoalition.org
>>
>>
>>
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