[bestbits] [RedLatAm] WhatsApp Blockage in Brazil - what do we know

Thu Dec 17 13:23:46 EST 2015

Here is our post in English. Spanish and Portuguese soon
https://www.accessnow.org/access-now-condemns-blocking-whatsapp-brazil/

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*Javier Pallero*

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On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Javier Pallero <javier at accessnow.org>
wrote:

> Sorry for the redundance! I see that now.
> I had not gone through the whole thread.
>
> Good this is over (for now)!
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> *Javier Pallero*
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> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Carolina Rossini <
> carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That was in my first email Javier ;-)
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Javier Pallero <javier at accessnow.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good news!
>>> The judge issuing the preliminary injunction to restore whatsapp
>>> considered disproportionality as a problem.
>>>
>>> http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/tecnologia/desembargador-libera-acesso-ao-whatsapp-em-todo-o-pais-9wdkje9590dc3io35v0vpaspi
>>>
>>> Now, the main action is going to the Court of Appeals (so the matter of
>>> the blocking sanction is not solved yet) It will be solved around February,
>>> since tomorrow is the last working day of the brazilian judiciary for the
>>> year.
>>>
>>> We are putting together a post. I will share it as soon as it is ready.
>>>
>>>
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>>> *Javier Pallero*
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>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Carolina Rossini <
>>> carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> two new pieces of information
>>>> - MC was used by the judge
>>>> - FB/WA had been notified 2 times within the criminal procedure (that
>>>> is under seal) to collaborate with the investigation. Both times the
>>>> company refused to collaborate.
>>>> and I am loving the memes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://tecnologia.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2015/12/16/desespero-pela-falta-de-whatsapp-ja-domina-a-rede-veja-memes.htm
>>>>
>>>> InternetLab on the issue (in Portuguse - easy google translate)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Carolina Rossini <
>>>> carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Telegram it is!!! Plus it is more secure and you can erase messages :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
>>>>> raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just adding some info:
>>>>>> Whatsapp was fined before being blocked, they just didn't pay the
>>>>>> fines
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now Facebook is encouraging Brazilian users to turn to Messenger
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead half a million started Telegram accounts in over 1 hour
>>>>>>
>>>>>> []s
>>>>>> Em 17/12/2015 10:55, "Carolina Rossini" <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>
>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> all we know is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - this decision came out as part of a criminal case that is under
>>>>>>> legal confidentiality ("justice secret")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - so all our information is based on press releases from Sao Paulo
>>>>>>> courts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - more than 100 million Brazilians use WhatsApp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - 0hrs of the 12/17 was when the 48hrs started -
>>>>>>> http://www.tjsp.jus.br/institucional/canaiscomunicacao/noticias/Noticia.aspx?Id=29056
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - a superior tribunal, on  the morning of the 17th, invalidated the
>>>>>>> Sao Bernardo Judge -
>>>>>>> http://www.conjur.com.br/2015-dez-17/tj-sao-paulo-suspende-bloqueio-aplicativo-whatsapp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - it seems the blocking was based on the refusal of WhatsApp to
>>>>>>> provide data that was relevant to a criminal investigation...WhatsApp/FB
>>>>>>> used old arguments (similar to 2007/2008 Google cases), saying Brazil did
>>>>>>> not have the jurisdiction
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - based on MC, Brazil does have jurisdiction
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - BUT, the decision was just now invalidated since it was
>>>>>>> disproportional and unnecessary...it inflicted consumers/users...and not
>>>>>>> only the company. The judge could have just threaten the company with
>>>>>>> gigantic fines or possibly to put executives in jail ...but not cut the
>>>>>>> whole service
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - MC needs to be applied following the Constitution and its own
>>>>>>> principles, not in a vacuum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - BUT....IT IS IMPORTANT TO notice that since the case in going
>>>>>>> under justice secret, we do not even know if MC was used in the judge legal
>>>>>>> rational for the blocking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - WhatsApp/FB position was extremely not helpful to the discussion
>>>>>>> of internet rights in Brazil ...it puts the discussion back to arguments
>>>>>>> from 2007/2008...and belittles MC debate and achievements
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - this might have terrible repercussions for the reform of telco law
>>>>>>> in Brazil, where telco companies what to have OTT companies regulated
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Carolina Rossini *
>>>>>>> *Vice President, International Policy*
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>>>>> *Carolina Rossini *
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