[bestbits] [IRPCoalition] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU Plenipot joint recommendations

[Gene Kimmelman]

I'm sorry Michael, but I think silence -- at least on my part -- indicates
that many of us just don't have the time to engage right now on the merits
of this; I'm just too busy and think this may be something better to
discuss in person at some future meeting.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Perhaps we can assume here that silence is consent.
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> *From:* michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 6:51 AM
> *To:* 'Sivasubramanian M'
> *Cc:* 'Avri Doria'; 'Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net';
> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; IRP; forum at justnetcoalition.org
> *Subject:* RE: [bestbits] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU
> Plenipot joint recommendations
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> Thanks for this Sivasubramanian…
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> Can I/we take this i.e. that MSism (governance by self-appointed elites)
> is the “next evolutionary stage of democracy” is a generally agreed upon
> position among the proponents of MSism?
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> *From:* Sivasubramanian M [mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com
> <isolatedn at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 6:12 AM
> *To:* michael gurstein
> *Cc:* Avri Doria; Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU
> Plenipot joint recommendations
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> Dear Michael Gurstein,
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> The definitions are reconciled when the multistakeholder model is viewed
> as the next phase of evolution of Democracy, and in this phase, it is in
> its initial stages of evolution with some aspects being defined.
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> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
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> +1 (213) 300 8293 Oct 11-19 2014
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> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:57 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
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> You can of course a la the Lewis Carroll’s the Queen of Hearts define
> anything you like as whatever you like but I’m very curious how your
> reconcile the current practice of MSism with this definition of
> Participatory Democracy (from Wikipedia
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> *Participatory democracy* is a process emphasizing the broad participation
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participation_%28decision_making%29> of
> constituents in the direction and operation of political systems.
> Etymological roots of democracy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy>
> (Greek *demos <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/demos>* and *kratos
> <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82>*)
> imply that the people are in power and thus that all democracies are
> participatory. …
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> Participatory democracy strives to create opportunities for all members of
> a population to make meaningful contributions to decision-making, and seeks
> to broaden the range of people who have access to such opportunities.
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> It seems to me that decision making a la MSism by self-appointed elites
> (corporates, their governmental allies and whomever else they choose to
> participate) hardly qualifies as “creat(ing) opportunities for all members
> of a population to make meaningful contributions to decision-making”.
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> But maybe I’m missing something.
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> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Avri Doria
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:34 PM
> *To:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU
> Plenipot joint recommendations
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> On 23-Oct-14 08:20, michael gurstein wrote:
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>  If you take a look at my blog both the current post and several of the earlier ones you will see my argument that MSism is being presented as a form of global governance in competition with democratic governance.
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> I haven't read your blog.  But I always define multistakeholderism (m17m)
> as a form of participatory democracy that builds on the representative
> democracy that some few nations have put into effect as well as the
> bottom-up organic coming together of stakeholders, who sometime aggregate
> into stakeholder groups, on a particular theme.  I define it as a form of
> democracy somewhere between basic representative democracy and full direct
> democracy.
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> I think many other accept some form of the m17m is a form of participatory
> democracy definition.  So the frames of reference are really quite
> different.
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> avri
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