[bestbits] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU Plenipot joint recommendations

[Sivasubramanian M]

Dear Michael Gurstein,

The definitions are reconciled when the multistakeholder model is viewed as
the next phase of evolution of Democracy, and in this phase, it is in its
initial stages of evolution with some aspects being defined.

Sivasubramanian M

Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
+1 (213) 300 8293 Oct 11-19 2014



On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:57 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You can of course a la the Lewis Carroll’s the Queen of Hearts define
> anything you like as whatever you like but I’m very curious how your
> reconcile the current practice of MSism with this definition of
> Participatory Democracy (from Wikipedia
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> *Participatory democracy* is a process emphasizing the broad participation
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participation_%28decision_making%29> of
> constituents in the direction and operation of political systems.
> Etymological roots of democracy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy>
> (Greek *demos <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/demos>* and *kratos
> <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82>*)
> imply that the people are in power and thus that all democracies are
> participatory. …
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> Participatory democracy strives to create opportunities for all members of
> a population to make meaningful contributions to decision-making, and seeks
> to broaden the range of people who have access to such opportunities.
>
> It seems to me that decision making a la MSism by self-appointed elites
> (corporates, their governmental allies and whomever else they choose to
> participate) hardly qualifies as “creat(ing) opportunities for all members
> of a population to make meaningful contributions to decision-making”.
>
> But maybe I’m missing something.
>
> M
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> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Avri Doria
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:34 PM
> *To:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU
> Plenipot joint recommendations
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> On 23-Oct-14 08:20, michael gurstein wrote:
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>  If you take a look at my blog both the current post and several of the earlier ones you will see my argument that MSism is being presented as a form of global governance in competition with democratic governance.
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> I haven't read your blog.  But I always define multistakeholderism (m17m)
> as a form of participatory democracy that builds on the representative
> democracy that some few nations have put into effect as well as the
> bottom-up organic coming together of stakeholders, who sometime aggregate
> into stakeholder groups, on a particular theme.  I define it as a form of
> democracy somewhere between basic representative democracy and full direct
> democracy.
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> I think many other accept some form of the m17m is a form of participatory
> democracy definition.  So the frames of reference are really quite
> different.
>
> avri
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