[bestbits] Quick Update on WGEC meeting day 2

[Nigel Hickson]

Good morning 

Although I am just an Observer here in the WG (and this is only my second
meeting) I would, like others, to endorse this eloquent and important
summary of our deliberations yesterday.  This is a difficult but important
meeting.  It is somewhat like a cold shower after the warm water and
atmosphere in Brazil. We do though need to continue.   Particularly keen to
endorse the importance of the proposal Avri submitted on the role of women
and the superb work of Correspondence Group.

Best

Nigel







From:  Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>
Reply-To:  Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>
Date:  Friday, May 2, 2014 8:30 AM
To:  Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
Cc:  "Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>,
"governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject:  Re: [bestbits] Quick Update on WGEC meeting day 2

Avri, thanks for the report, and having followed some of yesterdays
discussions online, thank you *very* much for your interventions during the
meeting. Good luck today.

About your last point, tweets.  The meeting is transcribed, we can see who
is saying what.  How is tweeting a problem?  Perhaps clarify with the chair.

Thanks again,

Adam


On May 2, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> It was a long day.  We finally made it through all of the proposed
> recommendations that group members had offered.  We are at least half a
> day or more behind our schedule for the meeting.
> 
> We also had a discussion of the Correspondence group report.  While the
> report was appreciated by all, we developed yet another point of
> fundamental disagreement:
> 
> - This is marvelous work that should become a living document
> 
> - This is a useful piece of work, but enough trying to understand, now
> lets come to conclusions about new mechanisms and bodies to fill the gaps.
> 
> Discussions were robust, and some of the language remains bracketed and
> needs further discussion.
> 
> The fundamental oppositional themes remained as subthemes, especially
> the scope of Enhanced Cooperation:
> 
> - among governments
> 
> - among all stakeholders.
> 
> One of the longest discussions revolved around the need to include
> discussions on issues related to marginalized peoples issues and women's
> participation in the Internet governance as part of Enhanced
> Cooperation.  The fundamental group-division fed into the discussion:
> 
> - this discussion is a waste of time that keeps us from discussing the
> real issue of Enhanced Cooperation - relationships between governments
> and a new body wherein those discussions can be held
> 
> - this a critical component of Enhanced Cooperation among all stakeholders.
> 
> Neither side in the discussion could believe that the discussion went on
> as long as it did.  I am sure this discussion will resurface at some
> point in day 3.
> 
> As it was apparent that there are, at least two models of Enhanced
> Cooperation, there had been discussion the first day of including these
> models in the document.  This discussion continued the second day with
> some some arguing:
> 
> - We should have a report on the things we could reach consensus on, and
> there seem to be some such points
> 
> - we should discuss the various oppositional models.
> 
> At one point one of the protagonists argued that they were only
> accepting certain text because they expected a document that would
> include a model that rejected the relevance of the discussion of the
> points they had just accepted.
> 
> We also did not manage to resolve the issues of whether we would have"
> 
> - a chair's report
> 
> - a WG group
> 
> Today's meeting starts at 9am (I better start getting ready) and is
> likely to go until 9pm again as was the case on day 2.
> 
> A skeleton of the draft report was sent to the members and it is
> attached for reference as is the text of the first day's discussions
> 
> A point I want to make in this sketchy report, some governments have
> begun the move to argue that the WGEC is only having these oppositional
> problems because it is trying to be a multistakeholder discussion. There
> is every chance that a final oppositional impression is being set up:
> 
> - realizing that a 16 year fundamental difference of opinion needs more
> a few days of meetings spread over a year to resolve
> 
> - the multistakeholder model is the root of all failure
> 
> Of course I realize that within the group of civil society readers of
> the sketchy report, we have people on both sides of this discussion.
> 
> Finally there was a moment when an observer was reprimanded for using
> twitter to say things that offended some WG members.  To me, this showed
> how really out of touch the whole WSIS based Tunis Agenda driven
> discussions are in todays' world.
> 
> Or rather, how the opposition between the restriction of expression and
> free expression are also one of the fundamental oppositions that
> underlay our discussions.
> 
> avri
> 
> PS. Hopefully others who were in the room and who are on these lists can
> correct or amplify this quick report.
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