[bestbits] Draft joint letter on deliberative democratic processes for the Brazil meeting

Wed Feb 5 22:03:27 EST 2014

+1 to Deborah.

Marilia, just curious, when was the letter presented to the EMC then? And
in whose name was it presented then?

Thanks and best,
Anja

On 6 February 2014 04:45, Deborah Brown <deborah at accessnow.org> wrote:

> Thank you Marilia and Joana for this clarification and +1 to Joana and
> Jeremy's points.
>
> I agree on using online tools to develop the draft but if the organizers
> determine that's not possible and a committee drafts it, then I would say
> the EC would be the better choice for the reasons Joana raised, and that
> online consultations should follow.
>
> Best,
> Deborah
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Talking to Joana we reached the conclusion that there may have been some
>> misunderstanding regarding the meaning of a synthesis paper. The synthesis
>> will be just a compilation of all proposals presented to the meeting. It
>> will present all range of opinions about the two agenda items. It will be
>> done by the Secretariat that gives support to the meeting (Mr. Daniel
>> Fink's team).
>>
>> In the last EMC meeting we mentioned that, in addition to the synthesis
>> document, maybe it would be interesting to have one draft text as input to
>> the meeting. This draft text would be based on the synthesis document but
>> would suggest one way forward for principles and for the discussion about
>> frameworks. Of course, the participants of the meeting would be free to use
>> this document, or discard it, or change it as they deem appropriate. The
>> draft texts would be only a starting point. This was something that EMC
>> mentioned, but no decision was made about it yet. So at this stage we are
>> not certain if the synthesis (compilation) will led to other document or
>> not. As far as I understood, Joana's suggestion was that we do have draft
>> text and that this document is placed under consultation online.
>>
>> I agreed with that in first message. My point was that, considering that
>> the synthesis will come out on March 7, we should think about the schedule
>> and see if there is time to produce a draft text, place it under
>> consultation and compile the suggestions from the consultation afterwards.
>>
>> Best!
>> Marília
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> The letter was already presented to EMC and cc to LOG by Adam. We will
>>> raise the topic on the next call and keep all informed about feedback on
>>> this proposal. The next call of the EMC is on Friday.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Marília
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 5:45 AM, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 to Jeremy.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I really think a draft document (not just a compilation of
>>>> proposals) will be needed prior the event, so it:
>>>>
>>>> a) will help transparency (meaning, it will be very bad if the
>>>> participants get into a room for 2 days, draft something and approve it
>>>> without broader consultation);
>>>>
>>>> b) will help consensus building from March to the end of April
>>>> (otherwise from the submissions of proposals on March 1st to April 24 the
>>>> Committees will just become a black box)
>>>>
>>>> c) probably a better proposal
>>>>
>>>> On the issue about who to draft it, I agree with Jeremy that we should
>>>> use as much tools and channels needed for an online deliberative process to
>>>> build it. If how to use this tool is still too broad. I suggest EC convene
>>>> a working group with techies for that, they would have a month to organize
>>>> it. Yasodara, who built the consultation platform for Marco Civil is at
>>>> W3C, within CGI.br, It's not impossible. And we can always offer our help
>>>> for brainstorming.
>>>>
>>>> And if any Committee need to facilitate and structure any text, my take
>>>> is that people will be more comfortable if it's EC, just as it is announced
>>>> at the first press release. As the chairs of HighLevel are Touré (ITU) and
>>>> the Brazilian Minister of Communication$ (in my view, not the best duet for
>>>> internet freedom/multistakeholderism).
>>>>
>>>> my two cents
>>>>
>>>> joana
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Joana Varon Ferraz
>>>> @joana_varon
>>>> PGP 0x016B8E73
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 5:11 AM, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  On 04/02/14 22:02, Marilia Maciel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My own feeling about it is that we should either focus on pushing for
>>>>> on-site deliberative mechanisms that would facilitate consensus during the
>>>>> Sao Paulo or on pushing for an online platform. My impression is that the
>>>>> organization of the meeting would lack experience to identify the best
>>>>> model of on-site deliberation for this particular meeting and setting. If
>>>>> we want on-site deliberative mechanisms in place, we would need to offer
>>>>> assistance with that, and this would consume us. But I think it would be
>>>>> worthy.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Regarding the platform, it is not clear to me what is the expected
>>>>> timeframe for us (how to make a meaningful consultation fit our schedule)
>>>>> and which document (if any) should be the base of our consultation.
>>>>> Remember, for instance, that the synthesis paper that will be produced by
>>>>> the Secretariat will only be available on March 7. Should the synthesis be
>>>>> the base of our online debate?  In my view, comments on a synthesis doc are
>>>>> likely to produce just another syntheses. It is not clear at the present
>>>>> moment that we will have an actual draft proposal on principles or
>>>>> frameworks prior to the meeting and, if so, who should produce it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely there will have to be a synthesis of contributions as the basis
>>>>> for discussions in Brazil, and either the community will have to develop
>>>>> it, or the Brazil committees will have to do so; and in my opinion it would
>>>>> be better to give the community that opportunity to the extent possible.
>>>>> This points to the need for an online deliberative process, actively
>>>>> facilitated by the appropriate Brazil committee/s.  The facilitation will
>>>>> be hard enough work in itself, and involve a degree of judgment as to how
>>>>> to present the inputs in a useful and neutral way.  I'm not understating
>>>>> the difficulty of the exercise, but surely nobody expected getting tangible
>>>>> outcomes from the Brazil meeting would be easy...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the
>>>>> global campaigning voice for consumers*
>>>>> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
>>>>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur,
>>>>> Malaysia
>>>>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599
>>>>>
>>>>> *WCRD 2014 - Fix Our Phone Rights!* |
>>>>> http://consint.info/fix-our-phone-rights
>>>>>
>>>>> @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org |
>>>>> www.facebook.com/consumersinternational
>>>>>
>>>>> Read our email confidentiality notice<http://www.consumersinternational.org/email-confidentiality>.
>>>>> Don't print this email unless necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> *WARNING*: This email has not been encrypted. You are strongly
>>>>> recommended to enable PGP or S/MIME encryption at your end. For
>>>>> instructions, see http://jere.my/l/8m.
>>>>>
>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Marília Maciel*
>>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>>
>>> Researcher and Coordinator
>>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>
>>> DiploFoundation associate
>>> www.diplomacy.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Marília Maciel*
>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>
>> Researcher and Coordinator
>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>
>> DiploFoundation associate
>> www.diplomacy.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Deborah Brown
> Senior Policy Analyst
> Access | accessnow.org
> rightscon.org
>
> @deblebrown
> PGP 0x5EB4727D
>

-- 
Dr. Anja Kovacs
The Internet Democracy Project

+91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs
www.internetdemocracy.in
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.igcaucus.org/pipermail/bestbits/attachments/20140206/3d01dd98/attachment.htm>